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mehall posted:Phoneposting so can't pull excerpts, but Piers Morgan thinks he has the moral highground (specifically even saying "Shame on you, Mr. President") In the wake of terrorist incidents it's important that we have barely-relevant and remote political leaders drop everything in order to return home and make Powerful Statements that, I assume, invite terrorists to come on, square up and have a go if you think you're hard enough. It's important that these political leaders remind us that we're fighting these people we're already fighting because otherwise we might forget they're trying to kill us in the aftermath of them killing a bunch of us. If these attacks are allowed to go unanswered by generalised and empty political platitudes the terrorists (and of course, Piers Morgan) win.
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LemonDrizzle posted:There's a lot about Lansbury that should be disowned (e: and was aggressively and unequivocally disowned by Attlee). Advocating total national disarmament in the 1930s was basically the equivalent of saying "hey, let's all cut our own throats!" He only became leader because MacDonald decided to lead a coalition made up of Conservatives mainly. The '31 election was a disaster, Labour lost 225 seats as they split into 2, with group around Ramsey MacDonald & the main party lead by a man who ended up losing his seat. George Lansbury ended up leader, it'd never have happened if Labour hadn't fractured over the National Government, but he was regarded as having helped keep Labour alive & motivated after that electoral disaster. I'm certainly not damning him. George Lansbury was a good man & a man of conviction. Yes, he was on the wrong side of history. Still something admirable about pacifists. Especially so soon after the Great War had scarred a generation. And he resigned the leadership of the party rather than compromise those beliefs or opposing the will of the party. He was wrong to not stand against fascism, realising that the only way to deal with thugs is by facing up to them, and he was wrong to think that dealing with the BUF in his local constituency of Poplar was to avoid confrontation, but there was still much to admire. Far too few men of conviction have lead the Labour Party in recent years.
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forkboy84 posted:Far too few men of conviction have lead the Labour Party in recent years.
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Semprini posted:Tony Blair needs a conviction. I get the joke, but Blair was a man of conviction. That was a good part of the problem.
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Mar 26, 2016 11:51
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Tony Blair believed that God told him to kill brown people. Why did he not get the help that he needed?
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Mar 26, 2016 11:57
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Guavanaut posted:Tony Blair believed that God told him to kill brown people. Why did he not get the help that he needed? i don't know what you're complaining about he got loads of help killing brown people
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Mar 26, 2016 12:01
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The kidnap story has echoes of Brat Camp, which was shown about a decade ago on C4.
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Mar 26, 2016 12:30
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What a scummy excuse for a paper
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Mar 26, 2016 12:30
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Acaila posted:What a scummy excuse for a paper What a scummy excuse for reading the thread!!!!
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Mar 26, 2016 12:33
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There's also some scum under that thumbnail.
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Mar 26, 2016 12:38
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Is no one else intrigued by 'I've blo bra'? But yeah loving hell the Sun. Edit: Nicky Morgan blaming low teacher recruitment on teachers being too negative about their profession 
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Mar 26, 2016 13:03
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Kegluneq posted:'I've blown my brains out It's a light-hearted fluff piece about a Sun journalist who painted their brains over the ceiling after reading their own creative output, then the Sun allowed them to keep on writing afterwards.
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Mar 26, 2016 13:14
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Kegluneq posted:Is no one else intrigued by Kind of up there with Jeremy oval office's investigation of low doctor morale specifically not looking at the unilateral imposition of a new contract, high working hours, or low pay (i think?)
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Mar 26, 2016 13:16
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Kegluneq posted:Edit: Nicky Morgan blaming low teacher recruitment on teachers being too negative about their profession geez if people just stopped being unhappy then we'd have a much better time in this country my new government policy is to pay people to stand in public thoroughfares and yell at everyone to smile all the time
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Mar 26, 2016 13:23
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Oberleutnant posted:Kind of up there with Jeremy oval office's investigation of low doctor morale specifically not looking at the unilateral imposition of a new contract, high working hours, or low pay (i think?) According to the beeb she got booed and shouted at at the NASUWT conference. The Tories are past and future masters of appearing to say and do meaningful things that actually are total bollocks, but there's really very few major outlets currently willing or able to call them on it.
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Mar 26, 2016 13:24
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thespaceinvader posted:According to the beeb she got booed and shouted at at the NASUWT conference. Her mistake was allowing herself to get anywhere near the people who her policy effects. She should take some notes from Jeremy Hunt, if she's allowed to know where his secret bunker is.
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Mar 26, 2016 13:26
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Teachers in England seem to already be getting totally shafted. I mean they've got lots to complain about in Scotland, but I actually can't understand why anyone would want to be a teacher in England anymore.
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Mar 26, 2016 13:28
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Oberleutnant posted:Kind of up there with Jeremy oval office's investigation of low doctor morale specifically not looking at the unilateral imposition of a new contract, high working hours, or low pay (i think?) Yeah, the new 'review' specifically states that it doesn't cover anything to do with pay and working conditions. Thankfully the doctors who were supposed to be doing the review have basically said 'gently caress off, this is a farce'.
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Mar 26, 2016 13:37
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Acaila posted:Teachers in England seem to already be getting totally shafted. I mean they've got lots to complain about in Scotland, but I actually can't understand why anyone would want to be a teacher in England anymore. That's the only reason I can think of. That or they actually believed the advertising campaigns. I wouldn't trust any job that has to advertise itself on bus stops though.
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jabby posted:Thankfully the doctors who were supposed to be doing the review have basically said 'gently caress off, this is a farce'. If they hadn't, I'd have expected them to come back with "the only negative effects on morale are coming from those things you told us not to talk about". To which I'd anticipate a reply of "our changes are good because we say so, and this inquiry found no other reason for morale to be low, therefore there is no morale problem  "
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Mar 26, 2016 13:44
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serious gaylord posted:You remember the 1 in 5 muslims are jihad sympathisers Sun headline? Ipso have actually upheld the complaint. This is quite possibly the worst part of the IPSO's code of conduct: quote:The Committee did not consider any complaints raised under the terms of Clause 12 (Discrimination), as these complaints did not raise a potential breach of the Code against any particular individual. So basically the Sun telling people to take up arms against the Muslim population would be almost certainly illegal but not unethical. Press regulation, everyone! 
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Mar 26, 2016 13:59
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Angepain posted:geez if people just stopped being unhappy then we'd have a much better time in this country It's a decent idea, but as a representative of the Conservative Party I'd just like to ask if there's any way we could outsource it. Because the free market is much more efficient & is infallible.
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Mar 26, 2016 14:06
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Kegluneq posted:
Christ, Imagine having the nerve to turn up in front of a room full of teachers and say that? "Stop complaining about the ways we're destroying your profession because otherwise nobody will want to be a teacher anymore"
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Mar 26, 2016 14:56
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I honestly feel a bit sorry for Nicky Morgan. Given how often she's on QT/other politics shows it's so obvious she's just the poor sod junior minister they send out to take the abuse for them. She is clearly out of her depth and has a perpetual look of panic on her face. You should have seen her expression when Dimbleby called her out while she was delivering a clearly scripted on message point, pure 'schoolkid who hasn't done her homework being asked to explain something to the class'
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Mar 26, 2016 15:11
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ThomasPaine posted:I honestly feel a bit sorry for Nicky Morgan. Given how often she's on QT/other politics shows it's so obvious she's just the poor sod junior minister they send out to take the abuse for them. She is clearly out of her depth and has a perpetual look of panic on her face. You should have seen her expression when Dimbleby called her out while she was delivering a clearly scripted on message point, pure 'schoolkid who hasn't done her homework being asked to explain something to the class' Feeling sorry for a tory? that's a paddlin'.
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Mar 26, 2016 15:15
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That's probably why they're sending her out, thinking she'll get some sympathy 'Out of her depth' pretty much describes all the ideas guys that make up the Tory cabinet though
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Mar 26, 2016 15:16
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You know what's a good de-stress? Not being part of something everyone hates.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/713709040929345536 I've never quite understood the mentality that says 'big government is bad, but being patronising and haughty to people just because they disagree with government policy is good' Like does she not realise she comes off as a serious Umbridge in that clip
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Mar 26, 2016 15:28
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/713709040929345536 And a reminder from yesterday (thanks to whoever the original poster was) that Corbyn got a standing ovation from the National Union of Teachers http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35891011
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Mar 26, 2016 15:31
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Tesseraction posted:And a reminder from yesterday (thanks to whoever the original poster was) that Corbyn got a standing ovation from the National Union of Teachers http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35891011 brutal
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Mar 26, 2016 15:34
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J_RBG posted:I've never quite understood the mentality that says 'big government is bad, but being patronising and haughty to people just because they disagree with government policy is good' They're all philosopher kings and don't like being challenged on their infallible wisdom by their subjects
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Mar 26, 2016 15:45
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baka kaba posted:They're all philosopher kings and don't like being challenged on their infallible wisdom by their subjects Plato was a piece of poo poo for someone who was that clever anyway so I wouldn't put much stock in his thoughts on government.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/713709040929345536
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LemonDrizzle posted:There's a lot about Lansbury that should be disowned (e: and was aggressively and unequivocally disowned by Attlee). Advocating total national disarmament in the 1930s was basically the equivalent of saying "hey, let's all cut our own throats!" Advocating it in 1931 is a whole other kettle of fish than 1938, though. It certainly wouldn't have been my position back then, even pre-Hitler, but it's not quite as dumb a position as later history makes it look. Kind of like advocating unilateral nuclear disarmament today perhaps 
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/713709040929345536 Was this deceptively edited or was the only thing she used to 'proof' that things are better that 6 year olds are slightly better at reading than 3 years ago?
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Tesseraction posted:And a reminder from yesterday (thanks to whoever the original poster was) that Corbyn got a standing ovation from the National Union of Teachers http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35891011 Unions are bad therefore being applauded by unions is bad.
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happyhippy posted:Was this deceptively edited or was the only thing she used to 'proof' that things are better that 6 year olds are slightly better at reading than 3 years ago? 
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^^ fuk uhappyhippy posted:Was this deceptively edited or was the only thing she used to 'proof' that things are better that 6 year olds are slightly better at reading than 3 years ago? 3 year-olds are pretty poo poo at reading so it's not really a surprise. (Yes I know that's not the claim but it's the sort of poo poo that politicians love to pull with stats)
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happyhippy posted:Was this deceptively edited or was the only thing she used to 'proof' that things are better that 6 year olds are slightly better at reading than 3 years ago? Not sure about that bit, but she said 'on the way to' reading slightly better. They're not even better yet!
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