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My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

GaussianCopula posted:

That list is very incomplete, e.g. it's missing all the communist/socialists murders by the RAF.

It's not murder when it is conducted by the military institutions of a free and fair Democracy; it's murder when it is individual networks killing individuals, rather than military institutions eliminating military targets.

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A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

My Imaginary GF posted:

It's not murder when it is conducted by the military institutions of a free and fair Democracy; it's murder when it is individual networks killing individuals, rather than military institutions eliminating military targets.
Finally, MIGF admits that the Soviet Union was a free and fair Democracy.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

My Imaginary GF posted:

It's not murder when it is conducted by the military institutions of a free and fair Democracy; it's murder when it is individual networks killing individuals, rather than military institutions eliminating military targets.

He meant Rote Armee Fraktion, not Royal Air Force.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Cat Mattress posted:

He meant Rote Armee Fraktion, not Royal Air Force.

The folks that one Bader-Meinhoff Complex movie was about? They don't deserve to share an acronym with the same institute which gave Hitler the what-what and saved democracy in Europe.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

My Imaginary GF posted:

The folks that one Bader-Meinhoff Complex movie was about? They don't deserve to share an acronym with the same institute which gave Hitler the what-what and saved democracy in Europe.

They got brought up in this thread like fifty times. Also see: Red Brigades in Italy.

Iseeyouseemeseeyou
Jan 3, 2011

steinrokkan posted:

They got brought up in this thread like fifty times. Also see: Red Brigades in Italy.

Its almost like Islam and the political left share a common inclination towards violence. No wonder blacklivesmatter and berniebros have been so violent recently!

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:

Its almost like Islam and the political left share a common inclination towards violence. No wonder blacklivesmatter and berniebros have been so violent recently!

3/10, try harder.

lynch_69
Jan 21, 2001

GreyjoyBastard posted:

3/10, try harder.

He was banned multiple times for his "unique views" on black people. Run of the mill unimaginative troll. Just add him to ignore.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

lynch_69 posted:

He was banned multiple times for his "unique views" on black people. Run of the mill unimaginative troll. Just add him to ignore.

nice username/post combo 8/10

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
you're all a bunch of stupid bitches

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

corn in the bible posted:

you're all a bunch of stupid bitches

thank you for stating the obvious

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Rigged Death Trap posted:

Modern nuclear plants are incredibly hard to do something to without intimate knowledge of the plant itself and the physics involved. You can drive a supersonic fighter jet into a nuclear station and nothing much but a stain is left on the reactor wall.
Nuclear stations security itself is secure as hell.

Note: Belgium keeps prehistoric piece of poo poo nuclear power plants running because they decided to do a nuclear exit and then noticed they can't actually do a nuclear exit 25 years later.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

corn in the bible posted:

you're all a bunch of stupid bitches

Especially Belgium, which couldn't stop a terrorist attack after being informed the location of the bombs the night before because it's adter 5pm.

Is there any way to fix Belgium before they become the Jihadi U of Europe? 'cause last I saw, the Belgians couldn't think of anything to do other than blame Angela Merkel.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

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My Imaginary GF posted:

Is there any way to fix Belgium before they become the Jihadi U of Europe? 'cause last I saw, the Belgians couldn't think of anything to do other than blame Angela Merkel.
Hand it back to the Netherlands.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Hand it back to the Netherlands.

that's a funny way to spell France.

MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
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NATO is there, the US might as well take it over as a state and flood it with military, Were we not the EU done right hundreds of years ago? :smugbert:. (And then build a wall)

MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Mar 27, 2016

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

MattD1zzl3 posted:

NATO is there, the US might as well take it over as a state and flood it with military, Were we not the EU done right hundreds of years ago? :smugbert:. (And then build a wall)

It's not NATO's fault that Belgium has completely forgot how to run security checks on illegal summer camp activists.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

My Imaginary GF posted:

Especially Belgium, which couldn't stop a terrorist attack after being informed the location of the bombs the night before because it's adter 5pm.

Is there any way to fix Belgium before they become the Jihadi U of Europe? 'cause last I saw, the Belgians couldn't think of anything to do other than blame Angela Merkel.

Are you actually serious about them knowing that bombs existed and where they were and that they were going to bomb stuff with them?

MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
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Do we really need the "And were going to bomb stuff" qualifier with a bomb?


"Hamid on 14th street has a bomb" "Oh yea? What for?" "He's using it to hold up books on a shelf"




VvV Burgundy was pretty french. I might be confusing history and "Europa Universales III"

MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Mar 27, 2016

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

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Kurtofan posted:

that's a funny way to spell France.
When did France ever hold Belgium, outside war?

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

A Buttery Pastry posted:

When did France ever hold Belgium, outside war?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Former_departments_of_France_in_Belgium

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

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I count that as war, even if there's the occasional armistice. Hell, your link calls it "the occupation of Belgium", so it clearly agrees.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich
Carry a banner that says "gently caress ISIS" in Belgium? Apparently that's worth calling in riot police on.

Jesus loving christ its like Belgium isnt even a real country

Maybe European nations should man up and impose the death penalty for terrorism and providing material aid to terrorists. That Algerian the italians rounded up who provided fake ID's to those terrorists? Hang him to set an example for any other would-be forgers.

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Mar 27, 2016

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
Seeing as how that would provide substantial material aid to terrorists seeing as how they feed on such treatment by the west we can then hang you for dictating the policy.

A good idea imo.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Baxta posted:

Because the terrorists are saying that they are doing this for Islam and you can't stop them saying that. So unfortunately when they take credit for terrorist acts in the name of Islam, it reflects badly on normal muslims.
Can someone explain why ISIS' claim to Islam less valid than anyone else's? Is it because they do bad things and pretending their religion isn't a factor creates less cognitive dissonance?

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

the trump tutelage posted:

Can someone explain why ISIS' claim to Islam less valid than anyone else's? Is it because they do bad things and pretending their religion isn't a factor creates less cognitive dissonance?

can you explain why you fart out of your mouth and poo poo through your typing fingers

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
can anyone explain why the ira's claim to catholicism less valid than anyone else

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
can anyone explain why slave-owners claim to protestantism less valid than anyone else

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

the trump tutelage posted:

Can someone explain why ISIS' claim to Islam less valid than anyone else's? Is it because they do bad things and pretending their religion isn't a factor creates less cognitive dissonance?

My gosh in fact they are the real Islam! The tribal raider Islam that centuries only degraded.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

SedanChair posted:

My gosh in fact they are the real Islam! The tribal raider Islam that centuries only degraded.

hosed up if true.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

corn in the bible posted:

can anyone explain why slave-owners claim to protestantism less valid than anyone else

corn in the bible posted:

can anyone explain why the ira's claim to catholicism less valid than anyone else
Is this supposed to invalidate my question?

SedanChair posted:

My gosh in fact they are the real Islam! The tribal raider Islam that centuries only degraded.
I don't think there is such a thing as a "real" Islam (or Catholicism, or Protestantism), is the point. :shrug:

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

the trump tutelage posted:

Is this supposed to invalidate my question?

I don't think there is such a thing as a "real" Islam (or Catholicism, or Protestantism), is the point. :shrug:

There's real Catholicism since the Pope can say Shut the gently caress up, this is the official doctrine.

Unfortunately any clown can claim to have all the answers in the other religions.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

corn in the bible posted:

can anyone explain why slave-owners claim to protestantism less valid than anyone else

As slavery is explicitly allowed in the Bible (even the new testament) you can't dispute their claim solely on the fact that they are slave owners.

corn in the bible posted:

can anyone explain why the ira's claim to catholicism less valid than anyone else

Because they directly contradict the teachings of Jesus, who said turn the other cheek, which was a form of non-violent protest against the Roman occupation.

Fragrag
Aug 3, 2007
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My Imaginary GF posted:

Carry a banner that says "gently caress ISIS" in Belgium? Apparently that's worth calling in riot police on.

Jesus loving christ its like Belgium isnt even a real country

As well as gate crashing a memorial service, yelling out nationalist slogans and sieg heils.

Right before that they trashed a night shop north of Brussels.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

steinrokkan posted:

There's real Catholicism since the Pope can say Shut the gently caress up, this is the official doctrine.

Unfortunately any clown can claim to have all the answers in the other religions.
That's true I guess. It's just tiresome seeing the No True Scotsman defence writ large re: Islam

GaussianCopula posted:

Because they directly contradict the teachings of Jesus, who said turn the other cheek, which was a form of non-violent protest against the Roman occupation.
Or it's an act of radical defiance a la "Thank you Sir, may I have another?"

lynch_69
Jan 21, 2001

The best feature for threads like these are all the posters openly pining for a return to fascism in Europe. Doesn't take much does it?

MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
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lynch_69 posted:

The best feature for threads like these are all the posters openly pining for a return to fascism in Europe. Doesn't take much does it?

And america

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

the trump tutelage posted:

Is this supposed to invalidate my question?

I don't think there is such a thing as a "real" Islam (or Protestantism), is the point. :shrug:

I guess that's fair, but it's worth noting that ISIS are particularly weird schismatics on theology. Two additional Pillars of Islam, that sort of thing.

To say nothing of them running afoul of "if you accuse your brother of not being a real Muslim, one of you definitely ain't". Very practical like a lot of Muslim theology, since it's supposed to reduce the incidence of devastating internicene civil wars, or at least mean that they're fought for reasons other than "you're an infidel!" "no, you're the infidel!".

(The doctrine actually has some mild inconvenience for some of the nerdier anti-ISIS folks, because it forces them into a mealy-mouthed "well, they're evil people acting against everything we believe Islam stands for, but they're not apostates, just mega-wrong" stance.)

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I guess that's fair, but it's worth noting that ISIS are particularly weird schismatics on theology. Two additional Pillars of Islam, that sort of thing.

To say nothing of them running afoul of "if you accuse your brother of not being a real Muslim, one of you definitely ain't". Very practical like a lot of Muslim theology, since it's supposed to reduce the incidence of devastating internicene civil wars, or at least mean that they're fought for reasons other than "you're an infidel!" "no, you're the infidel!".

(The doctrine actually has some mild inconvenience for some of the nerdier anti-ISIS folks, because it forces them into a mealy-mouthed "well, they're evil people acting against everything we believe Islam stands for, but they're not apostates, just mega-wrong" stance.)

I'd like to read up more on these kinds of practical Muslim theological rules - where do I start reading?

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MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
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I always had the idea that the source of a lot of militant/violent rules in islam vs Christianity came from who wrote the book. Its easy to be a pacifist when you're a homeless jewish preacher, its harder when you are the leader of a faction in a civil war and religious revolution. A lot of that period in arab-peninsula history carries over into the religion, does it not?

(emphasis on "does it not". I'm asking "prove me wrong" not "think this too")

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