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Rarity posted:Yeah, I forgot to mention the TM thing. Without getting too E/N in a mafia game, I've never had any romance in my life, only ever been on 5 dates and Friday was the best one of those so my head was off in the clouds and not thinking about this game at all. When I got to rereading D3 it was clear everyone had decided on either KB or Lumpen and I had 23 pages to get through. It took like 3 hours just looking at those two and I didn't have the time to do more. I know I've been in and out of this game, it's Easter weekend and I have an active social life and as much as I enjoy mafia, it's not my main priority. That's not true. I am probably going to get smoked tonight since my being alive is detrimental to scum getting their bonuses from the CYOAs. That means that they could very well get an extra vig or something. The game is not all but wrapped up. Also as a side note out of game commentary - congrats on the date. Was it fun?
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kordansk posted:That's not true. I am probably going to get smoked tonight since my being alive is detrimental to scum getting their bonuses from the CYOAs. That means that they could very well get an extra vig or something. The game is not all but wrapped up. I guess you have a point. Though I don't think one scum would be able to do two NKs at once :P *sigh* I'll reread BHB I suppose Date was very fun but I texted her on Saturday and haven't heard back so I'm not seeing a follow up on the cards.
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Rarity posted:Yeah, I forgot to mention the TM thing. Without getting too E/N in a mafia game, I've never had any romance in my life, only ever been on 5 dates and Friday was the best one of those so my head was off in the clouds and not thinking about this game at all. When I got to rereading D3 it was clear everyone had decided on either KB or Lumpen and I had 23 pages to get through. It took like 3 hours just looking at those two and I didn't have the time to do more. I know I've been in and out of this game, it's Easter weekend and I have an active social life and as much as I enjoy mafia, it's not my main priority. You mean you didn't spend your date reading over this game and building cases together? What's the point of even dating if you're not going to do that?   
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Mar 28, 2016 17:45
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Quid/KK, do either of you guys know what BHB's meta is like? I've only played with him a couple of times and it was when I was a fresh faced newbie so I don't have a sense of him as a player.
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Mar 28, 2016 17:46
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Rarity posted:Quid/KK, do either of you guys know what BHB's meta is like? I've only played with him a couple of times and it was when I was a fresh faced newbie so I don't have a sense of him as a player. He is good, can win as Scum. Sneak and fake well. Not weak.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:02
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Lumpen posted:I have seen him bus hard, if I think back right. Your name isn't Quid or KK!
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Mar 28, 2016 18:02
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Rarity posted:Your name isn't Quid or KK!
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Mar 28, 2016 18:03
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I remember him being solid but I don't remember what he did as scum. It's been a while. I also am just trying to wrap my head around literally all 3 of the scum piling on to him on a day when JakeP & imgay were BOTH on the chopping block. It makes more sense for him to be town than scum at that point. They were hardcore trying to shift the focus on to Lumpen, which also wouldn't make sense for him to be scum. Which leaves Rarity, or MT. And I think MT claiming survivor to out BK, along with the early breadcrumb, is way too ballsy a risk as scum.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:06
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Oh hey the forums are back. Dusting off the post I was working on before:kordansk posted:Just read pages 3 and 4 of Rarity. It's pretty bad. Most of the posts are checkin's and couple comments about me basically not having time to read the game thoroughly and YOLOing poorly. The read on TMM is like 100% opposite town, considering we had multiple people reading that vig as scummy if you take into account TMM's other posting. I did a reread of Rarity on day 5 and although I had been suspicious of her posting before, I felt like her D3 sold me on her being more town than others in the thread. I'll reread her again now, but honestly what's recommending her most at this point is I'm starting to come around on Lumpen being genuine about wanting his own lynch, there being 3 other confirmed town, and Murmur Twin's survivor claim. Quidnose posted:I am going to be really mad if we gently caress this up because this is hands down my best game of mafia ever. I'm glad I could be here to witness it  kordansk posted:It's gonna be a quid/kord tagteam from our TMM cases nailing the GF. Don't get cocky, kid. preview edit: Rarity posted:Quid/KK, do either of you guys know what BHB's meta is like? I've only played with him a couple of times and it was when I was a fresh faced newbie so I don't have a sense of him as a player. My meta used to be lurking near the modkill threshold and making large megapost cases on people filled with quotes. This is my first game in almost 2 years though so I'm still getting my sea legs back. Rarity posted:Your name isn't Quid or KK! 
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Mar 28, 2016 18:07
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Ok so here's the stuff I'm seeing for BHB. - He spends jokephase mucking about with Jake and imgay. I don't know about BHB but Jake and imgay are definitely the kind of guys who'd have the balls to flaunt connections in jokephase. - He doesn't post much in D1 until the vote leaders have already floated to the surface. At this point he denounces all of them as good choices but votes Jimson anyway while never calling him scum. I don't like that he never tries to float other options. - On D2 he puts down his first proper read by calling imgay scum. He does follow up with reasons but cause he's not posted much content it's hard to say if that's an opinion that's naturally developed or not. - Basically admits to voting to lynch someone he thought was town - I do like his Lumpen List, he gives contexts to the positions which is vital for those. - After he jumps on my switch to imgay he never moves back to Jake/Lumpen despite listing both of them as scum. Could be an attempt to split the imgay/Jake vote so that neither gets lynched? - Then there's this weird post. Definitely BHB playing under the radar  - On D5 he pushes for Lumpen over KB. This looks like it could be a grab for town cred by arguing against the lead lynch candidate. - Defends TM's vig claim. I can't really call this scummy seeing as I believed it as well. I don't think it's a total lock but I see enough there. Lumpen, you had better not be Scumpen  ##vote BHB
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Mar 28, 2016 18:21
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Quidnose posted:I remember him being solid but I don't remember what he did as scum. It's been a while. Good, that's where I'm at too. Lumpen, besides yourself, what order would you vote for Rarity, BHB, MT? MT, same question. BHB, same question. Rarity, same question.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:25
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How do you balance all of that with the following posts regardnig BHB from known scumteam:TMMadman posted:Alright, time for a few morning thoughts. JakeP posted:I'd vote BHB imgay posted:glad to see bhb come in with the same shill reasons that im not playing mafia instead of creating original thoughts. too bad its baseless if he actually read
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Mar 28, 2016 18:26
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Why is it that when KB said "I'm town but vote me out" everyone's response was "seems scummy to me!" but when Lumpen does it everyone's response is "only town would say that"? I see Lumpen's self-vote as scum who recognizes how hard it's going to win this game and wants to get it over with. Regarding where scum was going on D3, I would hardly say they were all going after Lumpen: JakeP posted:If its coming down to me and Lumpen I will ##vote lumpen for sure. imgay posted:no i have other reads, [quidnose] and jake are just the extensive reads i made. i get bad vibes from bhb and rarity too TMMadman posted:I feel a little better about BHB after those last few posts. I don't know if it's enough for me to trust him completely, but it's enough for me to ##vote Lumpen instead. Like all of them mentioned that Lumpen might be scum there but none of them made a concerted effort to get him voted out - to my recollection that was mostly me and KB. Don't you guys think that if Lumpen was town, the scumteam would have tried harder?
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Mar 28, 2016 18:26
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And this:JakeP posted:Scu team is Quid TNL BHB and one of Rarity Kordansk KK Lumpen or Imgay, currently in no partcular order Hard Scumcall: Town, town, ?? Soft scumcall: ??, Town, Town, ??, Scum
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Mar 28, 2016 18:26
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Okay, Rarity wants BHB BHB wants rarity because he buys lumpen is being genuine on self lynching.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:27
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Murmur Twin posted:Why is it that when KB said "I'm town but vote me out" everyone's response was "seems scummy to me!" but when Lumpen does it everyone's response is "only town would say that"? I see Lumpen's self-vote as scum who recognizes how hard it's going to win this game and wants to get it over with. Again, I FULLY believe imgay was the sacrifice that day - look at the way he cases me and JakeP incredibly poorly. The tactic was to get imgay tossed off so that JakeP would get another day. When that didn't start working, they COULD have shifted to Lumpen, but why have him come in and -1 Jake just to get momentum off...both scum? That's far too obvious a play. I just don't see Lumpen's play and the split at EOD3 as indicative of scum pushing from one scum to another. I think Lumpen made a dumb move because he did not care (town, weird post restriction, wasn't really playing at that point) and scum capitalized on it.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:28
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kordansk posted:Good, that's where I'm at too. From scummiest to least: Lumpen, Rarity, BHB (and I feel strongly about that order)
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Mar 28, 2016 18:29
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Although to be fair I'm currently reading Rarity's case which at least looks like there's a lot to go on.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:30
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Quidnose posted:How do you balance all of that with the following posts regardnig BHB from known scumteam: ...Godammit. Gimme a minute to read the context.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:31
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Man I posted all of that already in my TMM mega case, how did you miss those points if you read all of it before 
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Mar 28, 2016 18:33
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kordansk posted:Good, that's where I'm at too. I have hard time to pick Rarity or BHB for Scum. Real real close call. If MMT told truth, then MMT must go before LYLO too. So that's my first pick if not me, then see who dies at night. I still need toread Rarity one more time, will do right now.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:34
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Ok, I took a quick look at page 35. TM comes in with a case on BHB which I think he knows isn't really going to gain traction but allows him to step back from everything else (and TM is well known for bussing his scum buddies). Jake jumps on it but at that point he's in "anyone but me" mode and was throwing shade at practically everybody. As for imgay, he's not really calling BHB scum there, he's just defending himself.Quidnose posted:Man I posted all of that already in my TMM mega case, how did you miss those points if you read all of it before I've had a lot of alcohol this weekend and the megaposts just blur together 
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Mar 28, 2016 18:37
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kordansk posted:Good, that's where I'm at too. BHB, MT, Lumpen I guess. We can't have MT sticking around till LYLO.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:38
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Rarity posted:Ok, I took a quick look at page 35. TM comes in with a case on BHB which I think he knows isn't really going to gain traction but allows him to step back from everything else (and TM is well known for bussing his scum buddies). Jake jumps on it but at that point he's in "anyone but me" mode and was throwing shade at practically everybody. As for imgay, he's not really calling BHB scum there, he's just defending himself. But why would the scumteam attack literally all of their members on D3. It doesn't make sense to me. Why not throw a case onto LITERALLY anyone else. Kordansk would have been a solid target, had a lot of suspicion on him from several members, but they don't go there.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:40
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Lumpen posted:I have hard time to pick Rarity or BHB for Scum. Real real close call. Your first pick is me instead of one of the two people you think is scum? And your reason for this is that you're trying to prepare for LYLO in a game that, in all likelihood, contains 5 town (with doctor and oracle), 1 survivor, 1 scum?
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I'm rereading Rarity and one thing I completely forgot (and others may have too) is that Jimson tracked her N1 and she didn't go anywhere, so if she's scum, either she's a ninja or didn't do the NK. I'm guessing they'd have hung on to the juggernaut kill and the roleblocker would have roleblocked, so the question is would you have the godfather do the N1 kill or a vanilla goon? I'll let you know my order when I'm done with the reread, but if you asked me before today started I'd have said Lumpen most scummy, MMT next, and Rarity most town. Now I've started to come around on Lumpen and I don't know what to think.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:40
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Murmur Twin posted:Like all of them mentioned that Lumpen might be scum there but none of them made a concerted effort to get him voted out - to my recollection that was mostly me and KB. Don't you guys think that if Lumpen was town, the scumteam would have tried harder?
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Quid/KK/kordansk: I think you guys are going to have to work this one out between you. Me, BHB and Lumpen can throw cases around till we're blue in the face but the validity will always be in question. I'll be around to engage with you as much as I'm able.
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Quidnose posted:But why would the scumteam attack literally all of their members on D3. It doesn't make sense to me. Why not throw a case onto LITERALLY anyone else. Kordansk would have been a solid target, had a lot of suspicion on him from several members, but they don't go there. The scumteam wasn't really attacking anyone on D3, they were lightly posting enough to be seen without really doing anything to shift the narrative. Most other town players had (imgay, Jake, Lumpen) for scum suspects on D3 and so I think the scumteam switched to full-on bus mode, tried to weather the storm, and hope that someone built up enough cred to survive to endgame.
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Barehanded Brother posted:I'm rereading Rarity and one thing I completely forgot (and others may have too) is that Jimson tracked her N1 and she didn't go anywhere, so if she's scum, either she's a ninja or didn't do the NK. I'm guessing they'd have hung on to the juggernaut kill and the roleblocker would have roleblocked, so the question is would you have the godfather do the N1 kill or a vanilla goon?
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Quidnose posted:But why would the scumteam attack literally all of their members on D3. It doesn't make sense to me. Why not throw a case onto LITERALLY anyone else. Kordansk would have been a solid target, had a lot of suspicion on him from several members, but they don't go there. Because Jake thought he had enough in him to escape the lynch? Because you've got a whole lot of players there who love bussing? Because they figured once it got to this point town would start asking that question? I don't know, I can think of a few reasons but in the end it's all just trying to WIFOM the scum team.
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Lumpen posted:With no Cop left I think I must die today. I do not want to cost Town the game in LYLO and don't think I can PROVE I'm Town past doubt, with my past posts and votes, which were bad, my fault. This post isn't something town would write. The gist of Lumpen's post is (a) He (as town) needs to die today because he can't prove he's town and so this would help. Presumably this is something town would not think if they were close to LYLO. (b) I (as Survivor) am the best lynch candidate because I am a threat at LYLO. Presumably this is something that town would only think if they were close to LYLO. (c) The actual scum though is one of Rarity or BHB (the only other eligible players left) but  I mean, right? Am I being crazy here?
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Other chance is MMT told lie, is not 3p, just claim to get cred for BK lynch and in case of Cop catch. BHB and Rarity both look more Town right now than MMT. So if 3p or Scum, my first pick if not me.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:58
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Lumpen posted:Other chance is MMT told lie, is not 3p, just claim to get cred for BK lynch and in case of Cop catch. You're more than welcome to go over my body of cases and explain why your rationale for voting for me first just switched from "threat at LYLO" to "might be lying about her role".
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Mar 28, 2016 19:01
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Murmur Twin posted:You're more than welcome to go over my body of cases and explain why your rationale for voting for me first just switched from "threat at LYLO" to "might be lying about her role".
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Lumpen posted:MMT look BAD for 3p claim now, counter claim SK good for Scum, and be safe from Cop, like Miller claim, have to lynch by LYLO.
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I'm getting real in the weeds with this reread but still feel like it's Lumpen. Murmur Twin was the first person I can tell who cast suspicion on Jake on D3 with this post: Murmur Twin posted:You have to at least provide them if you want a claim on the title! and then doubled down with her next post: Murmur Twin posted:I guess my point is that (from my POV) usually when you're trying hard it's because you presumably enjoy the challenge of hunting scum, not because you "have to". Her interactions with TMMadman around that time, too, don't strike me as people who have had out-of-thread conversations, and the same is true to a lesser extent of Rarity: Rarity posted:TM, who would you have killed if you'd been going by your own personal suspicions? To which, incidentally, he replies that if Jimson had fullclaimed, he'd have killed Murmur Twin to get rid of the 3rd party claim. I'm also noticing that Rarity does post a lot about game mechanics (LYLO scenarios, balancing issues, what time zone people are in). Usually it's when she's quasi-condescending to kordansk (at least D3). It can be a way to look helpful as town without actually having to make alignment calls. There are a couple of "look at me, I'm so town" moments that, funny enough, early in the game she references getting caught in Civ 2 by doing it. But then this happens when Quid calls out Jake: Rarity posted:This is a good spot. He sets up the push and then jumps on it so no one thinks it was his idea. And then at imgay's overreaction: Rarity posted:
Rarity posted:I reached the bit where imgay just posts a whole bunch of Quid's posts and that is goddam terrible. Those are pretty early in the day for Scum Rarity to pile on to both of her buddies. Rarity posted:I feel more confident about imgay than Lumpen. That reminds me! I promised the first ever The Rarity Ranking would put 2 of her scumbuddies down at the bottom, and then her and another scumbuddy at the top. That does look bad except that's pretty much in line with my calls at the time. If she's scum, then either she's consciously mirroring my opinions or has a very good grasp of how a town mind would work. I'll poast moar soon but don't want these to get too long and unreadable.
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Lumpen posted:When no Doc, but AnonNarc was Doc. With Town Vig and SK, need way for Scum to have chance, my guess. Could go any way, yeah but that is my thought. Lumpen posted:It's TNL, BHB, and poss KB, poss Jake, poss Rarity. Lumpen posted:I should be the next lynch, prob not wise to have me at LYLO. Am just Adventurer, and was wrong back in days ago, post weird, vote wrong, am sad. No clue who is Scum now, blind luck. I'm honestly kind of shocked that this isn't a slam-dunk but I'm at the point where I'm not going to change my mind so ##vote Lumpen
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Rarity posted:drat guys, give a girl a chance to post before turboing Rarity posted:2 for 2, baby! LAMIST  I can't analyze her KB vs. Lumpen pro/con lists. Honestly, this entire game, anytime KB posted, or was talked about at all, my eyes glazed over and I just lost the ability to think or focus. I have no idea why, but he got so involved with back-and-forth slapfights that rereading them I felt like I had somehow wandered into the wrong game. So I'm not really in a position right now to make a call on whether her read on KB was genuine or not, but it's at least understandable since he was pushed hard by the two towniest posters in the game (Quid and TNL) Rarity posted:I guess you have a point. Though I don't think one scum would be able to do two NKs at once :P *sigh* I'll reread BHB I suppose Her posting today has felt somewhat off, tonally, and this may exemplify it the most. It's a mixture of freedom and resignation, like her scumbuddy just got killed and now nothing matters. Her case on me felt a little bit like after the Lumpen turbo didn't go through, she picked the next best choice and cobbled together the scummiest possible reading of some of my posts, ignoring context around the D1 and D3 lynches. Quid has made her reconsider her case on me, which it sounds like she doesn't want to do, but it's worth noting her vote is still there.
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To answer kordansk's question, my list right now would be from scummiest to least: - Lumpen - Rarity - Murmur Twin The biggest thing that informs that to me is the way I've perceived their interactions with flipped scum. Remember the reason that people started switching to Lumpen on D3 was because of his out-of-the-blue Jake vote, when his lynch started looking more and more like a sure thing. Rarity got on Jake much earlier, and even though she voted imgay as scummier, it's (again) what I did. Rarity and I have read the same thing the same way about flipped scum too many times (viz: Jake, imgay, TMM) for me to put her has scummier than Lumpen, whom I've suspected for longer and just makes more sense with the overall game. In light of all the evidence, I'm chalking up his "lynch me now" as a last-ditch effort for town cred. Won't drop a vote until more of the confirmed town folks post; I feel like we haven't heard much from KK and I'm sure he'd love to chime in.
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