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The GT-Air has the weirdest aerodynamics of any helmet I've ever owned. Up to 80mph it's absolutely perfect - quiet, smooth, no lifting or buffeting (even with a camera on one side and a Sena on the other). At 80.1mph it goes completely to poo poo, alternating between lifting and smacking my head side to side like I'm the opponent in Punch-Out. 90 is impossible to cope with for anything more than a couple of minutes, but then over 100 it smooths back out (although with truly monstrous drag). All this is on a naked bike, so it's possible that you'll have different results with a fairing. Even taking into account the above it's still the best lid I've ever owned by a long way, though.
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I've been looking at the caberg duke as a next helmet, because despite being a bit fat (one shell size) it fixes most of the issues I have with my current helmet. The currently available graphics are thoroughly meh, so I hit up their website to see if any new ones are in the pipeline. Turns out there is (a fairly jazzy black and white design subtitled "gravity", though nowhere is selling it yet), but gently caress that because what's this halfway down the list of available colours:   Of course, nobody sells or ever has sold this colour. It exists solely on the manufacturer website as a massive cocktease, apparently 
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Apr 17, 2016 23:48
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What's good for cleaning white textile? My white jacket is starting to go black.
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Apr 17, 2016 23:56
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Regular laundry detergent should be fine, maybe a dab of vanish for tough oil spots (get a second opinion on that one, I'm not 100% what's in the stuff. If it's no good then a little bit of dish soap should do for tough stains).
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Apr 18, 2016 00:07
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tngffl posted:RF-1200 or a GT-Air? Which should I buy? It mainly comes down to which feature you value more: sun visor or SNELL. You can't go wrong either way.
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Schroeder91 posted:What's good for cleaning white textile? My white jacket is starting to go black. The guy at moto liberty said to use abrasive hand cleaner like gojo (rub into the textile part) and run it through the washer, but I've never tried it because you know ... 
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Apr 18, 2016 02:43
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Yeah I've always just removed the armor/padding and thrown it in the washing machine. It's supposed to protect you from pavement, surely it can survive a washing machine gentle cycle.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:12
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I also remove padding and throw my textiles in the washing machine. They've lasted like 5 years now.
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Apr 18, 2016 08:27
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Bbbut the waterproof.. 
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Apr 18, 2016 11:10
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Hey -Inu-, could you compare the rev'it Tornado pants that are on clearance right now with the new Airwaves? I'm looking for a replacement for my current Airwaves which are pretty disgusting after a few years of daily commuting. I probably wouldn't use the liners in the Tornados, so how would they compare just as over pants? Also, is there anything comparable to the old Airwaves from any other brands I should consider?
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Apr 18, 2016 16:20
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KARMA! posted:Bbbut the waterproof.. If it's proper waterproof a wash won't hurt it. Nikwax before the dryer.
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-Inu- posted:For the brands you can get dealer pricing on, T-GP Pro Air (I loving despise A/S naming convention) or Anthem 2 will be your best bet. Mostly comes down to your build and which will fit you best. Thanks! You are a saint among goons. I was looking at the pro air, but it shows discontinued/no refunds so unfortunately I can't buy it to try on and return it. The shop I work for mostly does maintenance so we don't have a merchandise area or anything. I'm on the stocky/chubby end of the spectrum so I imagine the A* will be tight in the wrong places and too loose in the other wrong places since I'd probably order an XL. That Airframe does look great, but they lean towards the leaner side, don't they? Is there anything in the perf'd leather area that works well in the heat or are textiles the best bet? As far as the hot weather and venting thing goes, it's touch and go. We usually have super low humidity when it's over 100 but depending on how rigorous they are with watering the golf courses it can get a little muggy. We also try to avoid the middle of the day and plan our trips for the early morning and get back and night once it has cooled off back down to the low 100s...
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Koruthaiolos posted:Hey -Inu-, could you compare the rev'it Tornado pants that are on clearance right now with the new Airwaves? I'm looking for a replacement for my current Airwaves which are pretty disgusting after a few years of daily commuting. I probably wouldn't use the liners in the Tornados, so how would they compare just as over pants? Also, is there anything comparable to the old Airwaves from any other brands I should consider? El Jebus posted:Thanks! You are a saint among goons. I was looking at the pro air, but it shows discontinued/no refunds so unfortunately I can't buy it to try on and return it. The shop I work for mostly does maintenance so we don't have a merchandise area or anything. I'm on the stocky/chubby end of the spectrum so I imagine the A* will be tight in the wrong places and too loose in the other wrong places since I'd probably order an XL. That Airframe does look great, but they lean towards the leaner side, don't they? Is there anything in the perf'd leather area that works well in the heat or are textiles the best bet?
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Dainese sizing utterly baffles me. Bought a 52 jacket and it was tight across the chest, so swapped it for a 54 which is fine around the chest but a tiny bit tight around the gut. Also the 52 trousers are actually a tiny bit loose around the gut. A good reminder I've still got 10 or so kilos of winter weight to burn off, though.
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You're probably just not shaped like a tall, skinny, cigarette-smoking Italian. I find that Dainese stuff fits me very well and true to size.
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KARMA! posted:Bbbut the waterproof.. quote:Los Angeles gets an average 14.93 inches of rain a year. Even when it's raining I'm usually to lazy to swap out my mesh jacket. clutchpuck posted:If it's proper waterproof a wash won't hurt it. Nikwax before the dryer.
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Sagebrush posted:You're probably just not shaped like a tall, skinny, cigarette-smoking Italian. I find that Dainese stuff fits me very well and true to size. Nice humblebrag there bro
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Renaissance Robot posted:Nice humblebrag there bro I dunno if that's something I'd brag about, personally.
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Yeah, I didn't really see it that way either. But I guess you might interpret it as bragging if you're a short, dumpy, fast-food-eating American. 
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Sagebrush posted:You're probably just not shaped like a tall, skinny, cigarette-smoking Italian. I find that Dainese stuff fits me very well and true to size. It also fits if you look like a Russian Eminem with a pot "problem".
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Sage you might be skinny but you sure aren't tall, every Dainese jacket I've tried is far too short in both the sleeves and torso so I end up looking like I'm wearing a leather tank top.
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That's because they're made to be worn with gauntlet gloves and high-waisted riding pants. This is a normal fit, per Dainese's own website 
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Well there's my problem, I'm not black
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Thats more Swarthy than Black
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Pretty sure that's just what Dainese thinks Sicilians look like.
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Beach Bum posted:I dunno if that's something I'd brag about, personally.
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As it turns out the jacket does actually fit well even though I'm certainly not a skinny Italian, my body type is pretty standard British "I eat lard more often than I see the sun". It's just longer than I thought it was so I had it bunched up a bit at the waist when I first did the zip up., The sleeves are definitely short though but that's fine by me because I do have a fairly large chest and shoulders for my height so normally I have to buy jackets a few sizes too big and so the elbow armour doesn't always fit well. Dainese stuff generally fits me better than most brands because of this.
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How much stock should one put into Sharp's star ratings? Lots of really well reviewed helmets get only 3 stars, and ones that nobody really looks at get 5. They also only show how well the helmets do at the "higher than ECE speed" drop. Also, dunno if this is going to irritate the hivemind, but what are the thoughts of modular helmets for use going to and from work in a hot urban area, never breaking 45? The motorcycle cops here wear the same one I do (and ride with it flipped up, wtf) and it got 3 stars on Sharp.
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I don't think about Sharp ratings much. Sharp does somewhat more comprehensive testing than the ECE or Snell, but actual statistical studies of motorcycle crashes have only demonstrated that any helmet is better than no helmet, and any full-face helmet is better than any other style of helmet. The specific strengths and weaknesses of a given design are wiped out by the different circumstances inherent to every accident. No helmet can protect against every type of impact, either; ECE and Snell, for instance, target two different types of crashes (ECE is more protective for low-speed stuff, Snell is better at higher speeds) and generally aren't compatible with one another. I say look at the brands that the professional riders wear, and get one of those. Oh, and don't buy helmets that are only rated DOT, because DOT doesn't actually require testing -- just a statement from the manufacturer saying "we think this would pass if it were tested." Get something with ECE or Snell or that has a 5-star Sharp, whatever you prefer -- they're all as good as one another. I don't wear a modular helmet so I dunno about those. I've heard that in the locked down position they're very nearly as strong as a full-face, so as long as you keep the face down while you're riding I don't think you have any reason to feel unsafe.
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Space Whale posted:How much stock should one put into Sharp's star ratings? For a Modular the AGV Numo does well on Sharp: http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testsratings/agv-numo
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Had small 80km test drive with my Schuberth E1. Soooo quiet. No need for ear plugs up to 60Km/h speeds. I'll try to change to lighter ear plugs as the ones I used with my old HJC Rpha-10 is almost making it too quiet. The adjustable front spoiler thingy is pretty stable in the wind, but got a little vibration if I set it to certain heights combined with setting the windscreen on the bike Mounted my sena 20s + added gopro mount+ tether. The fabric in the helmet was so smooth that the velcro on the speakers didn't have any grip, I had to use some of the supplied velcro stickers. I'm not too happy about the placement of my go pro mount, as I didn't want it to be on the flip up front part of the helmet, but that made it hard getting the vertical angle correct without a pretty long arm. I'll see how more shaky it is, though the garmin virb xe got good auto stabilization of the image. Anyone with a gopro and a flip up helmet with it mounted on the front here? i'm just unsure if the added weight might mess with keeping it in locked up position.
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3-star SHARP is more-or-less equivalent to ACU Gold Star, which is the minimum requirement for use on race tracks in the UK (so the tea-drinking counterpart of the Snell certification). I say more-or-less because ACU (and I think Snell) refuse to certify any modular helmet or one with an internal sun visor. 3-star should be pretty much the minimum you're willing to accept, IMO. Anything above that doesn't hurt of course but don't be scared to sacrifice a star or two for other features that you want/need and of course for fit - even the best helmet will be far less safe than a cheap one if it's too tight or falls off your head.
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Sagebrush posted:I don't wear a modular helmet so I dunno about those. I've heard that in the locked down position they're very nearly as strong as a full-face, so as long as you keep the face down while you're riding I don't think you have any reason to feel unsafe. Also you won't look like a complete tool while riding.
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Outside Dawg posted:For a Modular the AGV Numo does well on Sharp: http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testsratings/agv-numo I just got this helmet and I really love it. Louder than my scorpion modular but not that noticeable with earplugs in. The front can be locked in either position in addition to the clasp that keeps it down so you don't worry about head movement sliding the front down if you want to ride with it open. I normally just keep it closed to prevent bees. It vents really well.
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I don't understand why people get a modular and ride with the chin bar up. Just get a 3/4 and be done with it. The majority of them aren't designed to be ridden with the chin up above, like, ~10mph anyway.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:3-star SHARP is more-or-less equivalent to ACU Gold Star, which is the minimum requirement for use on race tracks in the UK (so the tea-drinking counterpart of the Snell certification). I say more-or-less because ACU (and I think Snell) refuse to certify any modular helmet or one with an internal sun visor. 3-star should be pretty much the minimum you're willing to accept, IMO. Woo, details! How likely are you to have a front, left/right side, back, or crown impact, anyway? I notice per sharp a lot of helmets suck at the side impacts - at least as far as the one they show, which is the one harder than ECE.
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Just get a straw / hydration bladder and go regular full face V  V
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Space Whale posted:Woo, details! Not very:  The general forehead/face/chin region is the most likely to get splattered at around 65% altogether. Back of the head totals 30%, the last 5% is spread over the crown and sides. (no I don't know the source, of the image or the data. Sorry.) This is why you get a chin bar, and ride with it down if it's capable of flipping up. Well, that and the gruesome x-ray images of what you'll look like if you don't. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Space Whale posted:Woo, details! RR beat me to the image... Fairly likely. However it's one of the thicker parts of the skull, and the brain is much more tolerant of side-to-side impact than it is to back-and-forth or (especially) rotational shock, so side impact is less critical than front or back impact, which is why even helmets with a "poor" rating for side impact can still get a 3-star rating (SHARP weight the damage areas). To give you a specific idea of what I was talking about in being willing to sacrifice absolute safety for other features, I'll take you through how I picked my current helmet. I commute, and live in the UK where winter sun is an absolute bitch in the mornings and evenings are pitch-black by 4 o'clock, and so for me an internal sun-visor was an absolute necessity. There are very few helmets with an internal visor and a 5-star rating (the mechanism for the visor takes up some space in the side, so they do less well in side-impact tests. Previously I'd owned a 4-star AGV Skyline and went to a Shark S800, also 4 stars because my head changed shape enough to make the AGV unsafe and really uncomfortable. However the Shark is a really loving cheap helmet - which is fine, because it costs so little, but it's noisier than war, has the aerodynamics of a brick (buffeting bad enough to cause neck spasms at 80mps) and is just not a pleasant place to be. So I splashed out on a Shoei GT-Air - only 3 stars and almost triple the price but seriously worth every penny. It's so much quieter that earplugs are entirely optional unless I'm doing long motorway runs, while still allowing me to hear traffic around me at urban speeds, the aeros are smooth as silk until you hit 80, and the venting is ruthlessly efficient - enough so that having the top vent open at any decent speed in anything other than the height of summer is enough to give you an ice-cream headache. As brilliant as it is though I'd never have touched it if it didn't also fit me perfectly, and I can't emphasise that enough. Get a helmet that fits, then work everything else out from that.
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I got a modular helmet because I wear glasses, and it's much easier to keep them on when I put on a modular helmet. That's pretty much it. It blows my mind that people are riding at speed with the helmet up. Like, that's not the point, you loving mooks. Why would you do that? I might lift mine at a gas station or something, but if I'm moving, it's locked down.
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