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LibertyCat posted:Because god-forbid people want a say in who is allowed in their country. BTW I work with dozens of Muslims every day many of whom aren't Australian citizens and I manage not to wet my pants, ever. Let me know if you need any tips on dealing with your phobia.
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Jun 26, 2016 05:49
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Who needs courage when you've got a gun?
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Jun 26, 2016 05:55
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Comstar posted:So with Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving...won't the flag need to change? Abbott will lead a backbench revolt and refuse to recognise the break up of the UK which ensures the flag stays as is.
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Jun 26, 2016 06:12
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Comstar posted:So with Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving...won't the flag need to change?  Maybe their flag will look like this. gently caress it, its time again to call for a Republic. Ora Tzo fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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Jun 26, 2016 06:13
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https://newmatilda.com/2016/06/26/a-blow-for-democracy-john-pilger-on-why-the-british-said-no-to-europe/ Cleaning House: John Pilger On Why The British Said No To Europe By John Pilger on June 26, 2016 Civil Society The Leave vote was people power in action, which is why the enemies of democracy hate it so much. John Pilger explains. The majority vote by Britons to leave the European Union was an act of raw democracy. Millions of ordinary people refused to be bullied, intimidated and dismissed with open contempt by their presumed betters in the major parties, the leaders of the business and banking oligarchy and the media. This was, in great part, a vote by those angered and demoralised by the sheer arrogance of the apologists for the “remain” campaign and the dismemberment of a socially just civil life in Britain. The last bastion of the historic reforms of 1945, the National Health Service, has been so subverted by Tory and Labour-supported privateers it is fighting for its life. A forewarning came when the Treasurer, George Osborne, the embodiment of both Britain’s ancient regime and the banking mafia in Europe, threatened to cut £30 billion from public services if people voted the wrong way; it was blackmail on a shocking scale. Immigration was exploited in the campaign with consummate cynicism, not only by populist politicians from the lunar right, but by Labour politicians drawing on their own venerable tradition of promoting and nurturing racism, a symptom of corruption not at the bottom but at the top. The reason millions of refugees have fled the Middle East – first Iraq, now Syria – are the invasions and imperial mayhem of Britain, the United States, France, the European Union and Nato. Before that, there was the willful destruction of Yugoslavia. Before that, there was the theft of Palestine and the imposition of Israel. The pith helmets may have long gone, but the blood has never dried. A 19th century contempt for countries and peoples, depending on their degree of colonial usefulness, remains a centre-piece of modern “globalisation”, with its perverse socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor; its freedom for capital and denial of freedom to labour; its perfidious politicians and politicised civil servants. All this has now come home to Europe, enriching the likes of Tony Blair and impoverishing and disempowering millions. On 23 June, the British said no more. The most effective propagandists of the “European ideal” have not been the far right, but an insufferably patrician class for whom metropolitan London is the United Kingdom. Its leading members see themselves as liberal, enlightened, cultivated tribunes of the 21st century zeitgeist, even “cool”. What they really are is a bourgeoisie with insatiable consumerist tastes and ancient instincts of their own superiority. In their house paper, the Guardian, they have gloated, day after day, at those who would even consider the EU profoundly undemocratic, a source of social injustice and a virulent extremism known as “neoliberalism”. The aim of this extremism is to install a permanent, capitalist theocracy that ensures a two-thirds society, with the majority divided and indebted, managed by a corporate class, and a permanent working poor. In Britain today, 63 per cent of poor children grow up in families where one member is working. For them, the trap has closed. More than 600,000 residents of Britain’s second city, Greater Manchester, are, reports a study, “experiencing the effects of extreme poverty” and 1.6 million are slipping into penury. Little of this social catastrophe is acknowledged in the bourgeois controlled media, notably the Oxbridge dominated BBC. During the referendum campaign, almost no insightful analysis was allowed to intrude upon the clichéd hysteria about “leaving Europe”, as if Britain was about to be towed in hostile currents somewhere north of Iceland. On the morning after the vote, a BBC radio reporter welcomed politicians to his studio as old chums. “Well,” he said to “Lord” Peter Mandelson, the disgraced architect of Blairism, “why do these people want it so badly?” The “these people” are the majority of Britons. The wealthy war criminal Tony Blair remains a hero of the Mandelson “European” class, though few will say so these days. The Guardian once described Blair as “mystical” and has been true to his “project” of rapacious war. The day after the vote, the columnist Martin Kettle offered a Brechtian solution to the misuse of democracy by the masses. “Now surely we can agree referendums are bad for Britain”, said the headline over his full-page piece. The “we” was unexplained but understood – just as “these people” is understood. “The referendum has conferred less legitimacy on politics, not more,” wrote Kettle. “…the verdict on referendums should be a ruthless one. Never again.” The kind of ruthlessness Kettle longs for is found in Greece, a country now airbrushed. There, they had a referendum and the result was ignored. Like the Labour Party in Britain, the leaders of the Syriza government in Athens are the products of an affluent, highly privileged, educated middle class, groomed in the fakery and political treachery of post-modernism. The Greek people courageously used the referendum to demand their government sought “better terms” with a venal status quo in Brussels that was crushing the life out of their country. They were betrayed, as the British would have been betrayed. On Friday, the Labour Party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, was asked by the BBC if he would pay tribute to the departed Cameron, his comrade in the “remain” campaign. Corbyn fulsomely praised Cameron’s “dignity” and noted his backing for gay marriage and his apology to the Irish families of the dead of Bloody Sunday. He said nothing about Cameron’s divisiveness, his brutal austerity policies, his lies about “protecting” the Health Service. Neither did he remind people of the war mongering of the Cameron government: the dispatch of British special forces to Libya and British bomb aimers to Saudi Arabia and, above all, the beckoning of world war three. In the week of the referendum vote, no British politician and, to my knowledge, no journalist referred to Vladimir Putin’s speech in St. Petersburg commemorating the 75th anniversary of Nazi Germany’s invasion of the Soviet Union on 22 June, 1941. The Soviet victory – at a cost of 27 million Soviet lives and the majority of all German forces – won the Second World War. Putin likened the current frenzied build up of Nato troops and war material on Russia’s western borders to the Third Reich’s Operation Barbarossa. Nato’s exercises in Poland were the biggest since the Nazi invasion; Operation Anaconda had simulated an attack on Russia, presumably with nuclear weapons. On the eve of the referendum, the quisling secretary-general of Nato, Jens Stoltenberg, warned Britons they would be endangering “peace and security” if they voted to leave the EU. The millions who ignored him and Cameron, Osborne, Corbyn, Obama and the man who runs the Bank of England may, just may, have struck a blow for real peace and democracy in Europe.
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asio posted:https://newmatilda.com/2016/06/26/a-blow-for-democracy-john-pilger-on-why-the-british-said-no-to-europe/ What the hell is this? It starts with a celebration of democracy and ends with Russia apologism, going nowhere in circles.
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Jun 26, 2016 07:16
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i'm glad i wasn't the only one wondering what the christ, did he forget what he was arguing halfway through
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Jun 26, 2016 07:20
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He's arguing now that Britain is out of the EU they need to build up militarily and enter an alliance with Russia to protect themselves from a NATO backstab, because NATO are nazis apparently.
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Jun 26, 2016 07:25
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Its the rhetorical equivalent to the rabbit/duck optical illusion. Its both and neither at the same time.
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Jun 26, 2016 07:42
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Motherfuckers are just around the block from my home. 
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Jun 26, 2016 07:46
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LibertyCat posted:Am I free to march into your house and make myself at home? Or does your freedom to decide who enters outweigh mine? The ancient laws of hospitality upon which anglo-saxon society is derived say yes. yes you are and it is a good and just thing to be a host.
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Jun 26, 2016 08:48
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It's silly because letting someone into a house isn't the same as letting someone into a country, as most people who aren't infants can understand.
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Jun 26, 2016 08:54
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Of course it is, just like the national budget is like me struggling to pay my rent
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Jun 26, 2016 09:01
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Also when the choices are to either let them in to the house, let my neighbour torture them in a soundproof room in their shed, or let their partner at home torture or murder them, yeah I'd say letting them into the shittily constructed analogy house would be the best and most humane thing to do.
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Jun 26, 2016 09:24
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So is everyone putting their money where our collective mouths are and signed up to give out HTVs for our respective organisations on Saturday?
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Jun 26, 2016 09:32
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NewMars posted:The ancient laws of hospitality upon which anglo-saxon society is derived say yes. yes you are and it is a good and just thing to be a host. LibertyCat why do you hate guns, democracy, brown people and are ancient white traditions? Is there no depth to which you won't sink?
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Jun 26, 2016 09:41
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Gr8 ad Mr Windsor https://youtu.be/9XRnroztSHw
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Jun 26, 2016 10:32
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ZealousQ posted:So is everyone putting their money where our collective mouths are and signed up to give out HTVs for our respective organisations on Saturday? I've been doing doorknocking and phonebanking one day each, every week, all month. HTVs will be the last leg. I'm so tired...
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Jun 26, 2016 10:35
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Cleretic posted:I've been doing doorknocking and phonebanking one day each, every week, all month. HTVs will be the last leg. Hah hah... month. Good stuff. Seriously though, good stuff. It's just the rest of these chucklefucks that need to sign up. Sign your souls away.
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Jun 26, 2016 10:43
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Cleretic posted:I've been doing doorknocking and phonebanking one day each, every week, all month. HTVs will be the last leg. same
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Jun 26, 2016 10:58
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Are we all forgetting the wonderful world of Senate scrutineering?
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Jun 26, 2016 11:00
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It doesn't sound that much, but I'm someone who struggles to go out and talk to people at all. Doorknocking and phonebanking is hard and takes a lot out of me!
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Jun 26, 2016 11:05
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Cleretic posted:It doesn't sound that much, but I'm someone who struggles to go out and talk to people at all. Doorknocking and phonebanking is hard and takes a lot out of me! Not at all! It's great! It's so much more than any of us have done with any other election before. The fact is, all parties (and the NGOs) have so many more on the ground volunteers than ever before. The laughter was at my own (and Ken's) expense. We had the Council election immediately before, so this is week 18 for us...
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Jun 26, 2016 11:08
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Cleretic posted:It doesn't sound that much, but I'm someone who struggles to go out and talk to people at all. Doorknocking and phonebanking is hard and takes a lot out of me! Sounds like a good way to acclimatize yourself to being a little more outgoing, then. Good on you.
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Jun 26, 2016 11:12
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kirbysuperstar posted:Sounds like a good way to acclimatize yourself to being a little more outgoing, then. Good on you. Doorknocking is genuinely one of the most rewarding and fun experiences I've ever had. It's always amazing to be reminded how much people just want to connect with others.
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Jun 26, 2016 11:14
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ZealousQ posted:Doorknocking is genuinely one of the most rewarding and fun experiences I've ever had. It's always amazing to be reminded how much people just want to connect with others. Really? I've never had much patience for door knockers and assumed that everyone else was the same, hence why I've never really wanted to do it.
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thatbastardken posted:hahahahahaha This seems to be the post of an insane person. I regret my vote.
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Jun 26, 2016 11:22
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kirbysuperstar posted:Sounds like a good way to acclimatize yourself to being a little more outgoing, then. Good on you. That's part of why I'm doing it! Also to actually help the Greens, and learn the area I moved to earlier this year. Also to practice being 'out' about being trans to people before I start telling people like family. It's great, nobody in the Greens gives a gently caress because we've got more important things to focus on!
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Jun 26, 2016 11:23
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gay picnic defence posted:Really? I've never had much patience for door knockers and assumed that everyone else was the same, hence why I've never really wanted to do it. Weirdly enough, no. Once people realise you aren't asking for money, they're actually really keen to talk. I think part of it is that Australians are really hesitant to get into political discussions on a meaningful level with friends, and this gives them an outlet. It helps that we're not just trying to win their vote, but also legitimately listen to their concerns and pass it onto the candidates. I've shifted a few voters just by knocking on their door. Easily a dozen people this election have told me that they'll be voting Green because we're the only ones who bothered to ask their opinion.
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Jun 26, 2016 11:27
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Starshark posted:It's silly because letting someone into a house isn't the same as letting someone into a country, as most people who aren't infants can understand. Given the frequency with which Pisscat brings it up, I think he thinks it's a slam dunk.
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Jun 26, 2016 12:51
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ZealousQ posted:Weirdly enough, no. Once people realise you aren't asking for money, they're actually really keen to talk. I think part of it is that Australians are really hesitant to get into political discussions on a meaningful level with friends, and this gives them an outlet. this does absolutely not represent my experience doorknocking this election
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Jun 26, 2016 12:55
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gay picnic defence posted:Really? I've never had much patience for door knockers and assumed that everyone else was the same, hence why I've never really wanted to do it. Yeah seriously, on my list of things I'd never want to volunteer to do, door knocking for a political party would be #1
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ZealousQ posted:Weirdly enough, no. Once people realise you aren't asking for money, they're actually really keen to talk. I think part of it is that Australians are really hesitant to get into political discussions on a meaningful level with friends, and this gives them an outlet. When I've been door knocked I just tell them that to get rid of them. "Yeah sure Australian Christians party, I'm voting you 2, because only Jesus can be #1  "
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Just a reminder, I'm going to be putting up with this terrible country, the election,and most importantly, the football, sober,for the next month, all in the name of charity. People with cancer are the beneficiaries, and anyone who can help is super appreciated. Please help if you can, my utter meltdown will be your reward  https://www.dryjuly.com/users/peter-thorburn
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Birdstrike posted:this does absolutely not represent my experience doorknocking this election I'm sure it's super-dependent on the demographic of the electorate you're operating in. I've been operating in inner city safe seats (both Labor and Liberal) with a demographic profile that match my party's base. I understand it's much harder in fiercely fought marginals and in more hostile areas. If it was a matter of just getting rid of doorknockers, we'd have a lot shorter conversations. Sure we get quite a few refusals, and don't get me wrong, the actual number of people spoken to versus the number of refusals versus the doors knocked has a ratio of like 1:2:5. That said, most actual conversations with voters last at least a few minutes, averaging around 5 minutes. Usually its the doorknockers who have to excuse themselves so they don't get behind their walksheets.
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ZealousQ posted:So is everyone putting their money where our collective mouths are and signed up to give out HTVs for our respective organisations on Saturday? I'll be doing it, and hopefully a bunch of other stuff everyday this week. The HTV's should be interesting because there were about 20 people giving out HTV's at pre-poll yesterday. Election day could be a bit mental.
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Birdstrike posted:this does absolutely not represent my experience doorknocking this election I think it depends on where you doorknock. I've been volunteering around Melbourne Ports, and like eighty percent of the electorate is super friendly to us. There's a fair few reasons for that, and they'll vary wherever you go, but generally it falls under the umbrella of dissatisfaction with the L-parties. There's in particular a lot of distaste for our local member, and since he's Labor the Greens become a natural second choice for a lot of people, especially when they come knocking on their doors personally to talk about what's of value to them. When most of the electorate hasn't been listened to by their sitting member, of course most of the electorate's going to be friendly to the people specifically talking to them about that. The main exception is Caulfield, which I've talked about before.
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