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Kuvo
Oct 27, 2008

Blame it on the misfortune of your bark!
Fun Shoe
fair game

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Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

BenRGamer posted:

It's really weird, you wouldn't think adding 0.0333 seconds to your invincibility timer while rolling would help too much, but it does.
It's easier to grasp if you think in fractions - with a bit more agility, you go from being invincible during one fourth of the enemy's hurtbox being there to one third or something like that. As that also calculates in frames, the orders of magnitudes are the same.


EDIT:

Kuvo posted:

fair game
you suck, git gud, loser


EDITē: I bet you haven't even tried jumping

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

JordanKai posted:

Hey guys, I've been pretty lenient on this thread so far but I'm going to be keeping a closer eye on it from now on. So starting with this update, try to not post any spoilers or go on weird tangents, because it will get you probated.

Also stop being so aggressively outspoken about how bad you think Geop is at the game/how bad you think Vicas is at giving advice. It adds nothing to the thread and more often than not gets to the point of being a little creepy. :catstare:

This is Dark Souls, a series that's all about improving your skills to overcome challenges. People are pointing out things that he's doing poorly (like relying on the shield too much) and ways that he can improve (be less timid and more aggressive). People want to see him improve, because that's the essence of Dark Souls. At the very worst, people are heckling him in the same way that the commentators do. And last I checked, this forum is called "Let's Play" and not "Watch Me Play and Don't Criticize Me".

And creepy, really? Come on dude, it's like that word has no meaning anymore.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Fister Roboto posted:

And last I checked, this forum is called "Let's Play" and not "Watch Me Play and Don't Criticize Me".

And creepy, really? Come on dude, it's like that word has no meaning anymore.

:jerkbag:

Highwang
Nov 7, 2013

No Pineapple?
No Thank You!

Fister Roboto posted:

This is Dark Souls, a series that's all about improving your skills to overcome challenges. People are pointing out things that he's doing poorly (like relying on the shield too much) and ways that he can improve (be less timid and more aggressive). People want to see him improve, because that's the essence of Dark Souls. At the very worst, people are heckling him in the same way that the commentators do. And last I checked, this forum is called "Let's Play" and not "Watch Me Play and Don't Criticize Me".

And creepy, really? Come on dude, it's like that word has no meaning anymore.

Some people don't want to hear the same arguments posted ad infinitum. Right now you just sound like you want to run this like its your own LP, just let the man play and enjoy the show.

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.


Fister Roboto posted:

This is Dark Souls, a series that's all about improving your skills to overcome challenges. People are pointing out things that he's doing poorly (like relying on the shield too much) and ways that he can improve (be less timid and more aggressive). People want to see him improve, because that's the essence of Dark Souls. At the very worst, people are heckling him in the same way that the commentators do. And last I checked, this forum is called "Let's Play" and not "Watch Me Play and Don't Criticize Me".

And creepy, really? Come on dude, it's like that word has no meaning anymore.

This is exactly what I was talking about.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

JordanKai posted:

This is exactly what I was talking about.

A perfectly reasonable post is creepy? Like I'm not just taking the piss here, I don't see how that post is bad at all.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Fister Roboto posted:

This is Dark Souls, a series that's all about improving your skills to overcome challenges. People are pointing out things that he's doing poorly (like relying on the shield too much) and ways that he can improve (be less timid and more aggressive). People want to see him improve, because that's the essence of Dark Souls. At the very worst, people are heckling him in the same way that the commentators do. And last I checked, this forum is called "Let's Play" and not "Watch Me Play and Don't Criticize Me".

And creepy, really? Come on dude, it's like that word has no meaning anymore.

Yep, I'm sure watching this video games video to watch Geop grow as a person and believe in the heart of the cards. It's that exactly.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

I don't know about you guys, but I watch these LPs for the puns.

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007
Grimey Drawer
If anyone believes in the heart of the cards, it's geop.

NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






Fister Roboto posted:

This is Dark Souls, a series that's all about improving your skills to overcome challenges. People are pointing out things that he's doing poorly (like relying on the shield too much) and ways that he can improve (be less timid and more aggressive). People want to see him improve, because that's the essence of Dark Souls. At the very worst, people are heckling him in the same way that the commentators do. And last I checked, this forum is called "Let's Play" and not "Watch Me Play and Don't Criticize Me".

And creepy, really? Come on dude, it's like that word has no meaning anymore.
It's a question of tone and whatnot. I've generally agreed with your arguments in the thread, but I believe the point JordanKai has to make (given the line about "stop being so aggressively outspoken") is to keep it civil. Discussion is fine, but we don't really want the thread to turn into an oroboros of sectarian nonsense.

If you compare Grey Hunter's LP threads for War in the Pacific, two of the most intimidating LPs on the subforum (because they're updated in real time to track the progress of WW2), you'll often find people poking the man for his occasional dodgy tactical decisions. But even then, the criticism isn't "OP sux, burn down the thread" but instead "oh you :allears:". Only once did someone get probated for threadshitting after needling GH, and it turned out that the poster was not threadshitting but making a historical in-joke.

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.


Genocyber posted:

A perfectly reasonable post is creepy?

It isn't, but that's also not what I meant. The 'creepy' part of my post was the least core part of the message I was trying to get across, which is "don't post like a stereotypical Dark Souls weirdo because that's why Geop keeps closing the thread". To then write an aggressively worded paragraph about why the Geop needs to get good and shouldn't get final say over what does and doesn't get discussed in his thread strikes me as a little tone deaf.

Miacis
Oct 9, 2012

Get off my lawn!!
It'll be all the more entertaining if Geop goes through the game using [insert non-recommended tactic here]. It's not like he's been struggling for help or been really frustrated since the very early videos.

I'm at the end of my first playthrough of SotFS, and my lovely character is still turtling with a shield. I'm having fun regardless, and I hope Geop will as well.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

JordanKai posted:

It isn't, but that's also not what I meant. The 'creepy' part of my post was the least core part of the message I was trying to get across, which is "don't post like a stereotypical Dark Souls weirdo because that's why Geop keeps closing the thread". To then write an aggressively worded paragraph about why the Geop needs to get good and shouldn't get final say over what does and doesn't get discussed in his thread strikes me as a little tone deaf.

I wouldn't call that paragraph aggressively worded at all, but whatever.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Genocyber posted:

I wouldn't call that paragraph aggressively worded at all, but whatever.

Genocyber's custom title posted:

STILL THE WORST THAT THE DARK SOULS FANDOM HAS TO OFFER
Uh-huh.

I'd say "sit back. let the man play and enjoy the show" is a pretty good advice to go by.
And I'm obviously only saying that because I already got the crushing rant about Heide off my chest.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

anilEhilated posted:

I'd say "sit back. let the man play and enjoy the show" is a pretty good advice to go by.

That kind of defeats the purpose of having a thread in which to comment in.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

sleepy.eyes
Sep 14, 2007

Like a pig in a chute.
I beat SotFS with what I tried to make a clone of my DS Dex/Faith. Unfortunately the offensive miracles are kinda weak for the number of times you get to use them, so I ended up just smacking poo poo in the face with some curved ultra great sword with a name I can't remember. I never even knew about the whole agility thing so that was frustrating, to put it lightly.

Cory in the Blouse
Oct 22, 2010

SAMUS ARAN
OUR ONLY HOPE!

CuwiKhons posted:

I don't know about you guys, but I watch these LPs for the puns.

I just long for the day when Geop listens to Kuvo and commits to finally going down that hole.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

JordanKai posted:

This is exactly what I was talking about.

That post is a totally reasonable response to you, whether you agree with it or not

Jolyne Cujoh
Dec 7, 2012

It's not like I've got no worries...
But I'll be fine.

Genocyber posted:

That kind of defeats the purpose of having a thread in which to comment in.

Instead of constantly discussing and criticizing the way Geop is playing the game, talk about the game and things that you're noticing that you never have before because of the way that Geop is playing, or ways that Geop's approach made the game seem different (not necessarily worse or better) than when you played it, or talk about neat things that the game does that Geop has seen but might not have noticed, or cool enemy designs/AI quirks, or how you really love an item that Geop picked up, or talk about neat lore stuff that he may have missed since that's not really the focus of this LP. There are many ways to have a discussion and to comment on things without constantly telling Geop how he's doing things wrong.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.

Grizlor posted:

I just long for the day when Geop listens to Kuvo and commits to finally going down that hole.

porn lps aren't allowed

Literally The Worst posted:

That post is a totally reasonable response to you, whether you agree with it or not

nah it's actually bad

Odysseus S. Grant
Oct 12, 2011

Cats is the oldest and strongest emotion
of mankind
Just relock the drat thread already.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Genocyber posted:

That kind of defeats the purpose of having a thread in which to comment in.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Free GenoCyber, this is bullshit

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.


We'll try this again after next update.

e: If anyone wants to talk further about this whole shebang, feel free to PM me.

JordanKai fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jun 29, 2016

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Bible Ian Black
Jul 16, 2009

I'M THE GUY
WHO SUCKS

PLUS I GOT
DEPRESSION
The only bad thing about a Geop LP is that before you know it the episode is already over. It's like a roller coaster in that way. You wait to ride it, and you have a great time once you're on but then the the ride's over before you know it and you gotta back in line.






goonies are good enough

Ometeotl
Feb 13, 2012



It's MISSEL! Or SISSLE!
I confused myself...



Vicas, don't you mean Seigmeyer's Pirates? :v:

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Ometeotl posted:

Vicas, don't you mean Seigmeyer's Pirates? :v:
They're yarcoleptic.

e: Arrcoleptic? It's hard to pun when it's not your language.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jul 2, 2016

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Ometeotl posted:

Vicas, don't you mean Seigmeyer's Pirates? :v:
:negative: That was the title I had slated for the next episode...

TIME FOR A NEW ONE.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Geop posted:

:negative: That was the title I had slated for the next episode...

TIME FOR A NEW ONE.

boooo. It's a good title, don't bully it away just because someone has the same pun-diseased mind as you.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Geop posted:

:negative: That was the title I had slated for the next episode...

TIME FOR A NEW ONE.

No one but the posters in this thread will know!

And who cares about them anyway?

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Geop posted:

:negative: That was the title I had slated for the next episode...

TIME FOR A NEW ONE.

Praise the Pun?

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat
An outlaw supreme with a bad sense of humor? A pundit?

NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






I believe the formula on the Ring of Binding is somewhat more complicated than just "halves health reduction", but regardless it does approximately what the description suggests. In the original game it was instead found over by the cathedral, though to be fair there wasn't a drake in the way. :smaug:

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe

Karate Bastard posted:

An outlaw supreme with a bad sense of humor? A pundit?

Stop pundering to the crowd.

gibb3h
Jul 15, 2014

One episode behind again, sorry :(

DMW45
Oct 29, 2011

Come into my parlor~
Said the spider to the fly~
This area is probably my least favorite of the early areas.

Will say this, though, Goonther doesn't necessarily need faith this go around. With Life Gems and some other healing methods more available, miracles aren't altogether as useful as they were in the last game.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

NGDBSS posted:

I believe the formula on the Ring of Binding is somewhat more complicated than just "halves health reduction", but regardless it does approximately what the description suggests. In the original game it was instead found over by the cathedral, though to be fair there wasn't a drake in the way. :smaug:

I'm pretty sure it does half the % of max HP that you lose each time you die (like from 10% to 5%). It also locks your minimum maximum HP to 75% of your total, as opposed to 50% which is the default.

BenRGamer posted:

This area is probably my least favorite of the early areas.

I hope you don't mean the one they just got to, cause that's fightin' words. :colbert:

MGlBlaze
May 19, 2011

Warning; side-effects include disintegrated ocular tissue.

That's loving great. :allears:

Also the thread is open again, praise the sun. Now will you fuckers please stop making Geop lock it. Youtube comments are no place for discussion.

That "To a place where I could gull the- UH I MEAN" line always struck me as kind of dumb. I guess it was an attempt at humour but it just felt like iffy writing to me.

I don't remember the Ring of Binding in the base game at all, but it is useful enough considering enemies do a lot of damage even with full health. Though it has been pointed out earlier in the thread that the game drops Human Effigies like candy, and having played some SOTFS it does indeed seem to be that way. But it's a decent option if you wanna be stingy with them and don't have anything in particular you want in every single ring slot.

Something else in the base game I recall is that for some inexplicable reason, that specific area had a lot of bloodstains even before the update. I can understand it in SOTFS since they substituted in some enemies to the area that you don't usually see until MUCH later (i.e. the Syan knight and Basalisk), but in the base game it was just more of the same old knights you fought up on the surface. It always struck me as really weird. Like "What the hell is wrong with all of you people? This is the exact same stuff you dealt with before". But it is something that is an interesting change, at least. Likewise, that basilisk with the statue behind it was also originally an Old Knight.

Also, hitbox watch;
14:05 - Thrust hit you even though it looked like you had rolled out of range

BenRGamer posted:

This area is probably my least favorite of the early areas.

That's what I thought when I was fighting through the area (It looks cool and I love the actual aesthetic, but its encounter design is really poor) until I got through to the next area. I just kinda stopped my playthrough of SOTFS for the time being out of exasperation.
But for now, Pirate town has its own set of frustrations as well. Some cool changes we have yet to see in the LP, admittedly, but this area was already pretty bad in the base game.

Edit: Removed some allusions to stuff for fear of displeasing the spoiler gods.


The fact that you've used Capras for the death sum is wonderful.

MGlBlaze fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jul 2, 2016

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NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






Edit: Realized I had minor spoilers in response to minor spoilers. (Also Licia's comments weren't humor but rather a tell about her being shifty.)

Genocyber posted:

I'm pretty sure it does half the % of max HP that you lose each time you die (like from 10% to 5%). It also locks your minimum maximum HP to 75% of your total, as opposed to 50% which is the default.
I believe it stops at 80%, but regardless the difference is difficult to test without checking RAM addresses and largely academic anyway. (For the same reason no one cares about the Life Ring after you can get anything else to fit in the slot. :v:)

quote:

I hope you don't mean the one they just got to, cause that's fightin' words. :colbert:
:agreed: I love the crazy coastal shantytown look and feel of the place.

NGDBSS fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jul 3, 2016

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