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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Arcsquad12 posted:

Meetra Surik. Vaner.

Wasn't there a TOR character called "Jet Nebula"? That would be a bad name for Buzz Lightyear's new sidekick.

Moruth Doole is a retroactively bad name because it sounds like a Spoonerism for Darth Maul.

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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Wheat Loaf posted:

Wasn't there a TOR character called "Jet Nebula"? That would be a bad name for Buzz Lightyear's new sidekick.

Moruth Doole is a retroactively bad name because it sounds like a Spoonerism for Darth Maul.

Doole is the limp dick frog picture made into a Star Wars character. They're called Rybets for god's sake.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Arcsquad12 posted:

Doole is the limp dick frog picture made into a Star Wars character. They're called Rybets for god's sake.

Ye gods.

I mean, I haven't read the Anderson trilogy since I was a teenager, but I didn't get that gently caress-awful joke species name until just now when you pointed it out.

That's just the turd cherry on top of that poo poo sundae of a trilogy. Years later, it can still make me realize it's even worse than I thought.

God drat.

EDIT: God drat.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Anderson is still better than Denning.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I still enjoy the Jedi Academy trilogy. It's just lunatic nonsense, but it's entertainingly bad. Let's take the solo twins to the holographic museum!

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I have to admit, I'd rather have the stuff like Waru and the Shell Hutts and Bowie Palpatine and Luke falling in love with a computer than Star Wars 40K.

What's the weirdest, most "Huh?"-inducing thing in a Bantam era novel? For me it's always been the Wampa that Luke dismembered in ESB returning to take his revenge in Darksaber.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Arcsquad12 posted:

I still enjoy the Jedi Academy trilogy. It's just lunatic nonsense, but it's entertainingly bad. Let's take the solo twins to the holographic museum!

Doesn't that have the "Lost Little Bantha" chapter? And if so that is the best chapter in the EU.

Tumblr of scotch
Mar 13, 2006

Please, don't be my neighbor.

Arcsquad12 posted:

Meetra Surik. Vaner.
BJ Dart. Darth Icky.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

To be fair to Anderson, "Rybet" might have been one of those things that came from the West End Games stuff in the 80s and that Zahn and Anderson and the other early Bantam era drew from. (In which case, it might actually have been a Denning creation since he did some of the WEG stuff before later being brought into NJO novels.)

The weirdest Bantam-era thing for me is definitely Planet of Twilight, with Leia meeting Daala's ex-boyfriend who produces holographic Hutt porn.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

don't kinkshame

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

No idea if this is accurate, because I don't know if they'd even know yet, but the number is very specific.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrawn-Star-Wars-Timothy-Zahn/dp/0345511271/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1469632400&sr=1-2

This says length is 256 pages. Seems pretty short.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


thrawn527 posted:

No idea if this is accurate, because I don't know if they'd even know yet, but the number is very specific.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrawn-Star-Wars-Timothy-Zahn/dp/0345511271/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1469632400&sr=1-2

This says "Length: 256 pages." Seems pretty short.
Yeah, that sounds like it will be his shortest book. Almost fitting since he's also written the longest SW book.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

Casimir Radon posted:

Yeah, that sounds like it will be his shortest book. Almost fitting since he's also written the longest SW book.

I thought the longest was Star by Star?

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

It certainly felt like the longest book I've ever read! :rimshot:

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

The funny thing about Vision of the Future being so long is that originally it and Specter were supposed to be just one book, but he was allowed to make it two books, and then Vision ended up being literally twice as long as Specter because he realized he had a lot more stuff to cover than he originally was planning.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Chairman Capone posted:

The funny thing about Vision of the Future being so long is that originally it and Specter were supposed to be just one book, but he was allowed to make it two books, and then Vision ended up being literally twice as long as Specter because he realized he had a lot more stuff to cover than he originally was planning.
That would be up near 1000 pages. Can't see who thought that would be a good idea.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


I've been rereading the Let's Read thread, does anyone still have the final Bounty Hunter Backstab flowchart?

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008


The True Guild betrayed itself?

dublish
Oct 31, 2011


Canemacar posted:

The True Guild betrayed itself?

You have hardly even begun to plumb the depths of that chart's madness.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



Thanks!

dublish posted:

You have hardly even begun to plumb the depths of that chart's madness.

I've tried to pick favorites between Bossk simultaneously betraying himself, Boba Fett, and a homeless man, which ends up with Bossk as the target of another betrayal, or the Kuat of Kuat quadrant of the chart, but they're both too good.

The real madness is trying to trace how many betrayals ultimately start at Xizor.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


We could convert it to an SVG with tooltips to explain the insanity.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
The web of betrayals is confusing enough as it is but it really isn't helped by how the trilogy seemed to jump back and forth between present day and flashback, but it a) wasn't always clear when it had jumped back; and b) Jeter sometimes seemed like he'd forgotten when he was writing a flashback and ended up with flashback scenes looking like they were taking place in the present.

Basically, the problem was that there was just way too much going on in the framing story.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I don't have time to reread the trilogy right now, but if someone gave me notes on the various nodes of the flowchart I could build something in my spare time.

i81icu812
Dec 5, 2006
Link to the first Let's Read thread?

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

i81icu812 posted:

Link to the first Let's Read thread?

It's in the OP, but here. You'll need archives to view it.


As the OP of the Let's Read thread, this chart was the thread's greatest achievement, and I had nothing to do with it. And I'm totally fine with that.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

I don't remember look being in the bounty hunter trilogy?

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


KildarX posted:

I don't remember look being in the bounty hunter trilogy?

Kuat of Kuat betrays Luke with the stupidest scheme ever: plant fake evidence that Xizor killed Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

KildarX posted:

I don't remember look being in the bounty hunter trilogy?

It really doesn't matter. Luke is tertiary to the story, kuat planting fake evidence was just part of yet another plot to pit xizor against Vader and also destroy the bounty hunter guild so the empire could hire them without paying union dues and other madness.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Fomenting a bounty hunter civil war to make it easier to hire the best of the best without guild rules getting in the way while simultaneously eliminating them as an underworld rival is a good one for Xizor to have but roping in Vader and Palpatine stretched its credibility a bit.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

So was Xizor really written to be that much of a Mary Sue type character?

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Canemacar posted:

So was Xizor really written to be that much of a Mary Sue type character?
Not when Perry wrote him. Other authors got a little nuts when they got their shot. Unless Perry is a creepy rapist, idk.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Canemacar posted:

So was Xizor really written to be that much of a Mary Sue type character?

A bit, sure. He'd be okay if they'd stopped at making him the most powerful criminal mastermind other than Jabba but they included this whole thing where he's treated as a serious rival to Vader's status as the Emperor's favourite (the EU had quite a few political rivals for Vader who wanted to usurp his position as Palpatine's number tw, all the way back to Baron Tagge in he original Marvel comics).

However, in the Shaoldows of the Empire novel, it's toned down a fair bit and it's clear Palpatine is basically humouring him to make sure Vader isn't losing his edge (and also because he's a giant prick).

It's sort of like in Empire at War where Tyber Zann is a crime boss who's meant to be able to fight both the Empire and the Rebels on even terms at the same time.

Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jul 30, 2016

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Wheat Loaf posted:

However, in the Shaoldows of the Empire novel, it's toned down a fair bit and it's clear Palpatine is basically humouring him to make sure Vader isn't losing his edge (and also because he's a giant prick).

That whacky Sheev!

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I believe he prefers to be called Sheev "The Senate" Palpatine.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Wheat Loaf posted:

Sheev "I Threw The Senate at him" Palpatine.
fixed.

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


I finished reading Life Debt on Saturday, and I thought it was pretty good, as far as these things go.

But what really stood out to me (though probably only because I'm in the middle of reading the X-Wing books for the first time) was the similarities for Wedge. Spoilers for Life Debt ahead:

In The Krytos Trap, Wedge decides to ask Iella out on a date, only for her husband to reappear and then turn out to be a brainwashed Imperial Spy/Assassin. In Life Debt, he hooks up with Norra, only to have her husband reappear. Who then turns out to be a brainwashed Imperial Spy/Assassin

It's like poetry, it rhymes.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

cptn_dr posted:

I finished reading Life Debt on Saturday, and I thought it was pretty good, as far as these things go.

But what really stood out to me (though probably only because I'm in the middle of reading the X-Wing books for the first time) was the similarities for Wedge. Spoilers for Life Debt ahead:

In The Krytos Trap, Wedge decides to ask Iella out on a date, only for her husband to reappear and then turn out to be a brainwashed Imperial Spy/Assassin. In Life Debt, he hooks up with Norra, only to have her husband reappear. Who then turns out to be a brainwashed Imperial Spy/Assassin

It's like poetry, it rhymes.

I'm surprisingly okay with Wedge being Greg Grunberg's step-dad.

Trojan Kaiju
Feb 13, 2012


Was there a book, Legends and/or current canon, that dealt with how Leia dealt with her biological father's identity? I think I remember reading that she wasn't as quick to accept it as Luke was but that was so long ago I could have just imagined it.

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Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Trojan Kaiju posted:

Was there a book, Legends and/or current canon, that dealt with how Leia dealt with her biological father's identity? I think I remember reading that she wasn't as quick to accept it as Luke was but that was so long ago I could have just imagined it.

I can't think of anything other than a bit in the Thrawn trilogy that just barely touched on it.

Oh, and his Force Ghost visited her in Truce at Bakura but she told him to go pound sand.

Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Aug 1, 2016

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