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Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

I really do think there's something of value to him trying to give an overview of ongoing political battles and current events in as neutral a facade as possible, particularly for his Non-American listeners (although I guess I don't know how many of those care about CS)

unfortunately, I lack the patience to deal with what is, rather clearly, a facade, however admirable it is from a journalistic standpoint

you can editorialize a little Dan, the listeners will forgive you

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Nemico
Sep 23, 2006

Is there a consensus on what the best content is on Arthurian stuff? I've listened to some on Myths and Legends but I'd really like way more than what they have.

YouTuber
Jul 31, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

rotinaj posted:

He has really wanted to bag on Trump specifically for like the last four Common Sense episodes, and has had to restrain himself from doing so. I don't think CS will be worth listening to until after the election.

Pretty sure he's come out on the side that wants to vote none of the above. A lot of Trump's appeal is the fact he's been doing circles around the traditional establishment. Jeb Bush had to wheel his loving mother out to defend himself from Trump. Hilarious enough as it might be, it's not a solid policy for governance and Dan Carlin knows it. Clinton on the other hand is practically at the center of the vortex of corruption on the Federal level. I think most Americans have wanted someone to do the poo poo Trump is doing but without the insanity portion of it.

Each one of the little tidbits he covered deserves it's own hour long show. Brexit, Turkey's Coup and the hosed up American Elections are complex issues that can't be summed up in 15min. I don't like the fact that he's bought into the everything bad ever is caused by racist angle that the media and people seem to espouse nonstop.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

YouTuber posted:

Pretty sure he's come out on the side that wants to vote none of the above. A lot of Trump's appeal is the fact he's been doing circles around the traditional establishment. Jeb Bush had to wheel his loving mother out to defend himself from Trump. Hilarious enough as it might be, it's not a solid policy for governance and Dan Carlin knows it. Clinton on the other hand is practically at the center of the vortex of corruption on the Federal level. I think most Americans have wanted someone to do the poo poo Trump is doing but without the insanity portion of it.

Each one of the little tidbits he covered deserves it's own hour long show. Brexit, Turkey's Coup and the hosed up American Elections are complex issues that can't be summed up in 15min. I don't like the fact that he's bought into the everything bad ever is caused by racist angle that the media and people seem to espouse nonstop.

He pretty much talks around everything in circles for an hour without ever really saying anything.

Cockblocktopus
Apr 18, 2009

Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun.


mcmagic posted:

He pretty much talks around everything in circles for an hour without ever really saying anything.

As a Hardcore History listener who subscribes to, but has never listened to, Common Sense, I'm glad to hear that my suspicions are dead-on.

MooselanderII
Feb 18, 2004

FadingChord posted:

As a Hardcore History listener who subscribes to, but has never listened to, Common Sense, I'm glad to hear that my suspicions are dead-on.

It's not always the case though. Some Common Sense episodes are actually pretty well thought out, and some he just feels a need to talk about certain issues but doesn't have the patience to deal with offending his audience, and so we get episodes like the recent one.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
:lol: Dan Carlin is like the last dude whose takes on the Turkish coup or Brexit I'd be interested in. he's barely ever on point domestically so I can't imagine what him trying to explain Turkish politics would be like

he's always been one of those fake "middle" South Park Republican dudes tho. I mean you could see something like that coming a mile away from someone with the "guts" to call their show "Common Sense". it's like calling something the "NO SPIN ZONE"

hey at least he's good at making entertaining podcasts about ancient Persian history and world wars and other stuff. It's whenever he gets too close to contemporary that it starts going off the rail

Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Aug 25, 2016

Kaiju Cage Match
Nov 5, 2012




Ron Roenicke posted:

Lizard People might be along these lines. I only recently heard about it and haven't actually gotten around to any episodes yet, though, so I can't vouch for how seriously it takes the actual theories (it's styled as conspiracy theories and comedy, so maybe something Dollop-esque?)

I gave the Denver Airport episode a listen and stopped halfway through since I was annoyed at the constant tangents (and I felt like I was eavesdropping on a private conversation I shouldn't be listening to).

Hopefully the other episodes aren't as bad.

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

TheFallenEvincar posted:

:lol: Dan Carlin is like the last dude whose takes on the Turkish coup or Brexit I'd be interested in. he's barely ever on point domestically so I can't imagine what him trying to explain Turkish politics would be like

he's always been one of those fake "middle" South Park Republican dudes tho. I mean you could see something like that coming a mile away from someone with the "guts" to call their show "Common Sense". it's like calling something the "NO SPIN ZONE"

hey at least he's good at making entertaining podcasts about ancient Persian history and world wars and other stuff. It's whenever he gets too close to contemporary that it starts going off the rail

I've never listened to Common Sense and don't intend to, but I really liked that "Radical Thoughts" episode and would like a more expanded series on the Cold War someday.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
Is that the one where he says the Red Scare was kind of justified because there were really commies infiltrating the government?

WEH
Feb 22, 2009

I thought that the consensus was that Carlin is a libertarian wingnut and Common Sense more or less worthless compared to HH

Trabandiumium
Feb 20, 2010

no he just talks like one

joe football
Dec 22, 2012
Common Sense does kind of suck because it's basically just a long talk radio segment on current affairs, not because Carlin has super objectionable politics. If he put as much research and work into one as he does a hardcore history episode it could probably be good, but he doesn't so they're bad

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

TheFallenEvincar posted:

Is that the one where he says the Red Scare was kind of justified because there were really commies infiltrating the government?

Ehh. Not really. More that it's easier to condemn looking back on it because we know the threats of the Cold War were mostly vastly overblown, but people at the time obviously couldn't have known that. Also the unique kind of pressure put on a democratic society in that situation. He still largely condemns it but is forgiving more in the sense that fear is irrational. He makes a point that some people lived through the first Red Scare, regretted overreacting, and then did it again during the second one.

jzilla
Apr 13, 2007

TheFallenEvincar posted:

Is that the one where he says the Red Scare was kind of justified because there were really commies infiltrating the government?

I think he did that thing where he says he doesn't think something was a good thing or the right thing but that it made sense at the time.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


WEH posted:

I thought that the consensus was that Carlin is a libertarian wingnut and Common Sense more or less worthless compared to HH

He's definitely not a libertarian. I think he was a long time ago but now he supports things like universal health care.

Antares
Jan 13, 2006

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Ehh. Not really. More that it's easier to condemn looking back on it because we know the threats of the Cold War were mostly vastly overblown, but people at the time obviously couldn't have known that. Also the unique kind of pressure put on a democratic society in that situation. He still largely condemns it but is forgiving more in the sense that fear is irrational. He makes a point that some people lived through the first Red Scare, regretted overreacting, and then did it again during the second one.

actually communism is good

Kangra
May 7, 2012

Is Bruce Carlsen's new audio equipment not set up correctly? Latest My History Can Beat Up Your Politics sounds really bad. Now I literally just had a whole lot of wax cleaned out of my ears, so things do sound differently, but it sounds like there's a filter blocking out all the highs and making it sound like mud.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
His podcasts are super uneven. It's not limited to his more current events episodes either. A couple of his Dozen Ronald Reagan episodes are really badly mixed/edited.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Yeah I really like the premise of the Ronald Reagan series but I don't have enough time to listen to poorly put together podcasts when there's a whole crazy election going on. Keeping It 1600 is even going to start releasing two episodes a week because they keep getting stumped by Trump's antics.

Lurks Morington
Aug 7, 2016

by Smythe
I think Carlin's issue with contemporary politics is his fan base. The type of person who listens to a six hour podcast on Roman history is probably not sporting an NPR tote bag. He risks alienating a large portion of his audience by taking any sort of stance that could be seen as partisan (which is everything in tyool 2016).

As evidence: "thought experiment: what if America isn't the best country ever??? (and other, equally as Humanity 101 course arguments for people who haven't thought outside their political bubble very much)

And I'm just throwing it out there: I like 538's podcast much more that Keeping it 1600 for my polling-data-as-news coverage.

Lurks Morington fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Aug 30, 2016

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

I listen to both but if I had to pick it'd be 538.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

Lurks Morington posted:

I think Carlin's issue with contemporary politics is his fan base. The type of person who listens to a six hour podcast on Roman history is probably not sporting an NPR tote bag.

Really? Every history nerd I know is super liberal. Though, I guess pretty much everyone I know is super liberal. Am I just in a bubble (yes) and history nerds are generally conservative?

feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Aug 30, 2016

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





You probably have to differentiate between 'military history nerds' and 'history nerds'.

WEH
Feb 22, 2009

Lurks Morington posted:

I think Carlin's issue with contemporary politics is his fan base. The type of person who listens to a six hour podcast on Roman history is probably not sporting an NPR tote bag.

:smugjones:

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dan's official forum has a distinct libertarian and paleocon bent to it. It's the kind of place where feminism and socialism tend to be dismissed as cute ideas that just aren't right for America by well-meaning middle-aged white dudes.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Socialism probably IS a bad idea for America, though, given our government's history of incompetence.

Although I suspect that social programs will eventually have to refined and expanded because the population is only going to rise and the amount of work to be done is only going to diminish.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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joe football posted:

Common Sense does kind of suck because it's basically just a long talk radio segment on current affairs, not because Carlin has super objectionable politics. If he put as much research and work into one as he does a hardcore history episode it could probably be good, but he doesn't so they're bad

He doesn't say enough of anything to be objectionable. If anything he's milquetoast.

Cockblocktopus
Apr 18, 2009

Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun.


Antti posted:

I listen to both but if I had to pick it'd be 538.

I'm listening to both, Political Gabfest, and sometimes The Weeds and Primary Concerns, but 538 is probably my favorite of all of them. I'm not sure what it is about their dynamic but it's a lot of fun to listen to.

And yes I am very ready for this election to be over.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

mike12345 posted:

You probably have to differentiate between 'military history nerds' and 'history nerds'.
This is a good point, there's a difference between people really into history, of all types, topics, regions, eras, whatever, and weird white guys in military jackets who just like memorizing WWII tanks. It's a stretch to call most of those people even military history nuts since they always just seem focused on a couple specific wars anyway.


also chapotraphouse > 538 > Keeping it 1600

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
What's the deal with Harry Enten on 538? Is there any particular reason he comes off as a huge dick most of the time?

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat

rotinaj posted:

What's the deal with Harry Enten on 538? Is there any particular reason he comes off as a huge dick most of the time?

never having ben to NYC I picture him looking exactly like Barton fink.

The Real Quaid
Jun 29, 2012

rotinaj posted:

What's the deal with Harry Enten on 538? Is there any particular reason he comes off as a huge dick most of the time?

I haven't heard the podcast, but earlier today I read a couple of articles on the 538 website he wrote ~13 months ago. He seems just to be unpleasant and snarky, as well as an objectively poor analyst.

Groucho Marxist
Dec 9, 2005

Do you smell what The Mauk is cooking?

rotinaj posted:

What's the deal with Harry Enten on 538? Is there any particular reason he comes off as a huge dick most of the time?

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I don't mean this as an insult, but I feel like there's a really good chance Harry Enten is mildly autistic. Aside from his job in data journalism, he's also really really into weather. Plus the socially awkward stuff, of course.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

To me Harry's just someone who's always been that my way, Nathaniel.

He was writing polling analysis for the Guardian when he was 25. Guy's actually a whiz kid and that itself can make you really cocksure inside your domain.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

What a pervert.

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

feedmyleg posted:

Really? Every history nerd I know is super liberal. Though, I guess pretty much everyone I know is super liberal. Am I just in a bubble (yes) and history nerds are generally conservative?

There's an odd group of people called "neoreactionaries" that tend to be really into history and really against democracy. So, things like returning to a monarchy, and stuff like that. Not a widespread movement.

Cockblocktopus
Apr 18, 2009

Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun.



Whiz Kid Harry Enten

He's looking for a girlfriend

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mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





Just saw someone link this on Twitter

http://www.historyofthecoldwarpodcast.com/

Anyone give it a listen yet?

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