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Sep 8, 2016 12:57
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JOHNSON: Syria later suckers!
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Sep 8, 2016 12:57
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greatn posted:Well? What is it? Nothing, what's Aleppo with you? 
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Sep 8, 2016 12:57
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Lightning Knight posted:Yeah, it pretty much has been this bad since at least the '90s and the beginnings of the right wing media sphere, but more broadly since the adoption of the Southern Strategy. He literally started his career discriminating against black renters, he's racist af e: i mean your grandpa may be really racist too so idk maybe its true
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Sep 8, 2016 13:01
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Lid posted:Find anyone anywhere praising or even being neutral on Matt Lauer right now. is there a clip of this by any chance?
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Sep 8, 2016 13:02
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rscott posted:He literally started his career discriminating against black renters, he's racist af My grandpa is pretty loving racist. But he also has dementia and is not long for this world.  That said, I wasn't trying to excuse Donald Trump's racism. Make no mistake, he's probably just about as racist as you'd expect from an out of touch rich New Yorker who came from money and who's an utter sociopath. My point is that how racist he is, is irrelevant, because he's willing to be as racist as the Republican crowds - and Republican donors - he draws want him to be. He's willing to be a cipher for the American Right, projecting whatever views or ideas they want him to in order to make money and get attention. His personal views are probably terrible, but I doubt he believes half the dumbass poo poo he says, or at least has any conviction in that regard. He's just a showman doing an act. Edit: mostly I'm trying to clarify for people who are confused at how Trump can be so incoherent or inconsistent, or think he's dumb. He's not an idiot at all, he's probably actually pretty drat smart. He's just not really trying to get elected, and his behavior comes across as completely crazy to us because we're used to candidates, you know, trying to win.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:03
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Trump's sexism is pretty clearly a core part of who he is, though.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:04
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Night10194 posted:Trump's sexism is pretty clearly a core part of who he is, though. Almost certainly, yes. He's a member of the good old boys club in New York's elite and he's used to getting whatever he wants, whenever he wants it. I'm sure he doesn't even view women as people, just things. Not that he probably thinks much better of men, he just doesn't want to gently caress men. I totally believe Donald Trump is a total rear end in a top hat with terrible opinions, but I don't think he has any political convictions behind them. Remember, he was a Democrat before Obama, and I totally believe that he would still be a Democrat if he hadn't decided he could make more money and get more attention being a massive prick about the loving birth certificate. That's it. He's a massive sell out who has no meaningful ideology and who will do whatever makes him the most money. He used to think that meant backing the Dems, now he thinks it means conning the Republicans. Either way, expecting consistency or meaning from his policies and speeches is pointless because he has no meaningful politics to speak of. He's an old, white jackass who's out for money and fame, and he's doing a pretty drat good job of it, all things considered.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:08
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Lightning Knight posted:Almost certainly, yes. He's a member of the good old boys club in New York's elite and he's used to getting whatever he wants, whenever he wants it. I'm sure he doesn't even view women as people, just things. Not that he probably thinks much better of men, he just doesn't want to gently caress men. Trump is already grifting his own campaign. He's not spending a dime on its infrastructure whatsoever. he doesn't have an ideology, he's just an orange conman with a thin skin. As if last night wasn't some grotesque and obscene display of posturing only to be further encouraged and entertained.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:09
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Lastgirl posted:Trump is already grifting his own campaign. He's not spending a dime on its infrastructure whatsoever. Exactly. I think Trump is immensely dangerous in what he represents - the hypothetical possibility that a vapid conman with no ideology and no interest in the public good could win an American election and obliterate the status quo in the worst way possible - but I don't think he personally should be taken seriously as some great threat to us. He's not trying to win and he's not in it to become President. Does that mean we shouldn't work really hard to get Hillary elected? No, of course not. But everyone trying to ascribe some kind of meaningful motivations, policies, or ideals to him is just going to end up confused and scared because Trump isn't about that poo poo. He's in it for the money, the fame, and the potential for more money and fame down the line. For example, the whole bit about rigged elections. He doesn't actually give a poo poo about that. I suppose he might, in the old man sense of somebody told him that's a thing and he's outraged, but he doesn't really care because he doesn't want to be President. He just wants to set himself up an avenue to stay relevant in right-wing circles after the election so he can market his inevitable new TV show, merchandise, and other money-making ventures to the right-wing public. He's a textbook case of how to co-opt messaging and branding and I hope every single marketing and political science class in the US for the rest of time studies this election to see how you can carefully craft an effect strategy to put together a large support base and have it stolen away from you because you leaned too heavily into conditioning your followers to ignore reality.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:13
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Lightning Knight posted:Almost certainly, yes. He's a member of the good old boys club in New York's elite and he's used to getting whatever he wants, whenever he wants it. I'm sure he doesn't even view women as people, just things. Not that he probably thinks much better of men, he just doesn't want to gently caress men. I don't see how anyone could ever look at Trump and see any principles. He's an utter narcissist: he's not psychologically capable of keeping an ideal beyond whatever he thinks will gain him the attention he desires. Other people are just tools to him. He's not capable of empathizing with them in any real way. The only difference is that he seems some (white men) as preferable to others. The Presidency is just his biggest con yet, he has no intention of actually doing the job even if he gets it. The fact that our political system and media are incapable of dealing with a man like this says damning things about them both.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:14
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Oh, he definitely wants to be president. It's the most powerful and important man in the world, and he obviously is the best man alive, so he deserves it, right? Make no mistake, he really wants it, now.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:16
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Night10194 posted:Oh, he definitely wants to be president. It's the most powerful and important man in the world, and he obviously is the best man alive, so he deserves it, right? He wants to be able to tell people that he's President. He wants other people to have to call him "Mr. President." He in no way actually wants to have to do the work that is required of the President.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:18
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Lightning Knight posted:
No it's not?
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Sep 8, 2016 13:19
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So is the media back to 'Well it was a rough night for both of them' or did they grow any balls?
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Sep 8, 2016 13:19
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Night10194 posted:Oh, he definitely wants to be president. It's the most powerful and important man in the world, and he obviously is the best man alive, so he deserves it, right? He wants the name, power, and attention, yes, but he has no intention of actually doing the un-fun job of President. He'd have to work hard, stifle his yuge personality, take constant criticism from the entire world, and face some actual consequences when he screws everything up. He does not want that, no. He thinks he can pass off all responsibility onto Pence so he can keep lapping up the attention.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:19
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Geostomp posted:I don't see how anyone could ever look at Trump and see any principles. He's an utter narcissist: he's not psychologically capable of keeping an ideal beyond whatever he thinks will gain him the attention he desires. Other people are just tools to him. He's not capable of empathizing with them in any real way. The only difference is that he seems some (white men) as preferable to others. The Presidency is just his biggest con yet, he has no intention of actually doing the job even if he gets it. I understand how a lot of people seem to wander into the thread and have no prior political experience or understanding and are like "holy poo poo guys how can Trump say such crazy and terrible things?!" That's mostly what I was addressing. I don't really like to psychoanalyze people I've never met and at most I'd be willing to say that Trump is probably a sociopath. Which is why I usually try to caution from calling him dumb. He's clearly pretty drat smart, you don't hijack one of the most powerful political parties in the world while being an idiot. He's just also completely amoral and driven by motivations most of us can't relate to because we're not loving socipathic robots. I think our political system has handled Trump fairly well. He hasn't gotten any huge leads yet, he hasn't managed to break 50%, and the political establishment is doing a fairly good job of keeping him down. Hillary herself isn't doing amazingly well, but that's more a product of who she is and what she represents to the public at large than anything to do with Trump. In a hypothetical Trump versus Obama scenario this wouldn't even be a loving competition It does say pretty loving dire poo poo about the current media establishment though, because they're massive hacks. Night10194 posted:Oh, he definitely wants to be president. It's the most powerful and important man in the world, and he obviously is the best man alive, so he deserves it, right? I'm not really sure I agree. Trump is clearly not stupid and if he was actually interested in the Presidency he would be more reserved in his blatant rhetorical fear mongering to try to appeal to a broader audience. Obviously all of this is purely speculation, but I think he came into this less interested in winning and more in capturing the lucrative right-wing audience. I mean sure, he wouldn't turn down the Presidency. He'd get plenty of attention. But he'd also be burdened with a lot of boring responsibility and poo poo he doesn't care for, and Trump is driven first and foremost by poo poo he likes to do. I don't think he came into it thinking he actually could win, but I'm sure he'd be thrilled if he did, at least at first. I could obviously be wrong though. It's all just guessing since we aren't Trump (thank Christ).
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Sep 8, 2016 13:21
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Punkbob posted:No it's not? Holy poo poo I'm retarded. I totally thought it was. Well, at least I knew it was a city in Syria that is important. God I'm dumb.  I even loving looked that up before I posted! I didn't read closely enough though.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:23
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Our political system would be doing a much better job handling Trump if it wasn't laser focused on its blistering hatred of his opponent.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:23
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Geostomp posted:He wants the name, power, and attention, yes, but he has no intention of actually doing the un-fun job of President. He'd have to work hard, stifle his yuge personality, take constant criticism from the entire world, and face some actual consequences when he screws everything up. He does not want that, no. He thinks he can pass off all responsibility onto Pence so he can keep lapping up the attention. Yeah, as the campaign said: Pence is going to focus on foreign and domestic policy, freeing Trump up to Make America Great Again.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:23
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Yeah the ideal presidency for Trump is doing absolutely nothing except press conferences and rallies where he can rail against his enemies, rubber stamp whatever is put in front of him, and everything else that's boring is offloaded on to Pence or whatever handler is given to him by the GOP while running all his various scam businesses making a mockery of the position. Frankly watching the media and political system as a whole flounder to deal with his antics I'm not sure he wouldn't be able to pull it off.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:24
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Lightning Knight posted:Holy poo poo I'm retarded. happens, Damascus is the capital~ Its just that Aleppo might as well be the WAR capital.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:25
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Radish posted:Yeah the ideal presidency for Trump is doing absolutely nothing except press conferences and rallies where he can rail against his enemies, rubber stamp whatever is put in front of him, and everything else that's boring is offloaded on to Pence or whatever handler is given to him by the GOP while running all his various scam businesses making a mockery of the position. Frankly watching the media and political system as a whole flounder to deal with his antics I'm not sure he wouldn't be able to pull it off. Perhaps, but Trump likes money almost as much as he likes attention. The presidency would get him lots of attention but not really that much money, at least not immediately. Whereas tapping into the right-wing media sphere gets him slightly less attention, but a whole lot more money, and none of the bothersome "work" attached to being President. Lastgirl posted:happens, Damascus is the capital~ The Wikipedia preview says it's the capital of something and I was like yup, checks out. I am the dumbest motherfucker.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:26
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WampaLord posted:He wants to be able to tell people that he's President. He wants other people to have to call him "Mr. President." He in no way actually wants to have to do the work that is required of the President.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:27
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So what's all this about Matt Lauer?
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Sep 8, 2016 13:32
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Grouchio posted:So what's all this about Matt Lauer? he didnt wear a white scholar robe at the forum
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Sep 8, 2016 13:33
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Lightning Knight posted:My grandpa is pretty loving racist. But he also has dementia and is not long for this world. Possibly also true of Trump
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Sep 8, 2016 13:34
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Grouchio posted:So what's all this about Matt Lauer? Last night they had a town hall style question and answer session with Hillary and Trump. Hillary went first, got a bunch of dipshit questions about emails, and Lauer was a sexist prick who kept interrupting her and then got all offended when she was annoyed with that. Trump then got on and blatantly lied, corrected the only female questioner (she was right), defended a tweet essentially blaming women for getting raped in the army, and sucked some of that sweet Putin cock on stage. Lauer did nothing to challenge or even control Trump's answers, never interrupted him like Hillary, and was generally a giant hack. He immediately got ripped apart for all this and the NYT did as well for putting out a terrible story on the subject.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:34
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Lightning Knight posted:Perhaps, but Trump likes money almost as much as he likes attention. The presidency would get him lots of attention but not really that much money, at least not immediately. Whereas tapping into the right-wing media sphere gets him slightly less attention, but a whole lot more money, and none of the bothersome "work" attached to being President. I would expect a Trump Presidency to involve leveraging the position of President to make money. There's no way he would actually stop engaging in business dealings for four years or actually divest himself in any meaningful way. So we would have Pence running the ship of state while Trump continues to Trump along, but now with the title of President to help him bully his way into favorable contracts.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:35
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Litany Unheard posted:I would expect a Trump Presidency to involve leveraging the position of President to make money. There's no way he would actually stop engaging in business dealings for four years or actually divest himself in any meaningful way. That's fair, I concede, and my position that Trump doesn't seemingly want to actually be the President got a lot weaker when the whole "Pence can rule at my side and we can become POWERFUL IN THE DARK SIDE" thing came out. I'm still not convinced he wants to be, or at least that he wants to be enough to be motivated to try for that instead of settling for king poo poo of gently caress mountain in the RWM sphere, but I agree that you guys have a better case for why he might want to.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:37
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It's insane how the media right now is playing with fire, just absolutely outrageous Hillary needs to eviscerate him at the debate to end this fantasy narrative
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Sep 8, 2016 13:40
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Lightning Knight posted:Last night they had a town hall style question and answer session with Hillary and Trump. Hillary went first, got a bunch of dipshit questions about emails, and Lauer was a sexist prick who kept interrupting her and then got all offended when she was annoyed with that. It gets better quote:And if you think only the Clinton camp was angry, think again. congratulations Matt, you managed to alienate the elite, the journalists, the media, AND the base of both parties.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:40
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Lastgirl posted:It's insane how the media right now is playing with fire, just absolutely outrageous They just plain can't understand that this guy A: Could win if they keep this poo poo up and B: Really is the kind of dude that will have journalists jailed for criticizing him if he has the power to.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:41
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Lightning Knight posted:That's fair, I concede, and my position that Trump doesn't seemingly want to actually be the President got a lot weaker when the whole "Pence can rule at my side and we can become POWERFUL IN THE DARK SIDE" thing came out. I'm still not convinced he wants to be, or at least that he wants to be enough to be motivated to try for that instead of settling for king poo poo of gently caress mountain in the RWM sphere, but I agree that you guys have a better case for why he might want to. I'll agree that he doesn't want to be President as we understand the position. He definitely doesn't want those duties or responsibilities. Has anyone asked Trump what it is the President does? Just a basic civics "Mr. Trump, please explain the role of the Executive branch as it relates to the two other branches of government." I believe his answer to that would explain a whole lot about his motivations.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:42
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These are questions asked of a nominee for the most important job in the (arguably) unilateral world by a moderator: What have you experienced in your personal life or your professional life that you believe prepares you to make the decisions that a commander-in-chief has to make? You recently received two intelligence briefings ... Did anything in that briefing, without going into specifics, shock or alarm you? … Did you learn new things in that briefing? Will you be prepared on day one, if you’re elected president of the United States, to tackle these complex national security issues? Let me end in kind of the same place I started. Have you given much thought, Mr. Trump, if you're elected president and commander-in-chief, to that moment where you're going to have to make that first decision that puts American men and women in harm's way? Have you thought about personally the emotional burden of that moment?
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Sep 8, 2016 13:43
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Lid posted:It gets better  But, but guys, I made BOTH SIDES MAD, clearly I did my job well!  Night10194 posted:They just plain can't understand that this guy A: Could win if they keep this poo poo up and B: Really is the kind of dude that will have journalists jailed for criticizing him if he has the power to. Honestly, some of the usual suspects were complaining that the mean liberals weren't backing up freedom of the press, but freedom of the press exists to be in the service of the public good, not as some platonic ideal in and of itself. If the press is content to usher in a fascist leader then the press can go hosed, and if he wins because of them I hope we all get to point and laugh at them being first up against the wall before we get marched into the camps.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:43
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I'm sure Making America Great Again would be very lucrative for National CEO Trump, while Shadow President Pence actually ran everything. poo poo, Trump hasn't even stopped running his business to run for president, there's no reason to think he would stop if actually elected.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:43
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is there a clip of lauer getting poo poo on at the morning show or was it not that much of a making GBS threads on?
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Sep 8, 2016 13:45
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Lid posted:You recently received two intelligence briefings ... Did anything in that briefing, without going into specifics, shock or alarm you? … Did you learn new things in that briefing? lol, hey Donnie, what did you learn at school today? Really? Wow, that's really cool!
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I'm picturing President Trump's weekly fireside chats and they're mostly him hawking President-Trump-brand merchandise. "You can show YOUR support for me, the president, by buying my President Trump brand golf bags."
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Sep 8, 2016 13:46
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