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Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

quote:

If Lynton Crosby had managed to run a campaign which planted the idea in public consciousness that 80% of Labour MPs are utter scumbags, it would be held as the most devastating smear exercise in modern politics. If the Tory PR machine had managed to reduce 13 years of a Labour government to the single issue of the Iraq war and paint that in the most inflammatory way, we would protest day and night that this isn't so. 

They believe Corbyn will prevail, because they believe. I am the enemy, simply by not believing. It is a threat even to entertain dissent. As if a Fairy dies every time one applies critical thought. And so the protective circle becomes impenetrable and the excuse for oncoming oblivion in 2020 (or next spring, I suspect) is already rehearsed to explain away bad ratings and fully formed before it's even needed: "Corbyn lost, not because of his flaws, but because his critics pointed them out." 

And all this poo poo will come back to bite us. Most of Corbyn's support has spent the last couple of months maligning the vast majority of Labour MPs as useless, evil, Tory-lite, war-mongering, corrupt, neoliberal, feckless liars. The same MPs for whom most of them voted a year ago. Remember those comments. When Corbyn appoints his Shadow Cabinet, all The Sun will need to do, all Theresa May will need to do, to discredit them completely, is quote their own colleagues. You live by the meme, you die by the meme. 

Every time I look, half my timeline is filled with people shuddering with disgust at something completely inconsequential Owen Smith has said (or as is the case more often, didn't say) twisted out of all proportion. The other half of my timeline consists of precisely the same people beating their breast because some tabloid has twisted or misinterpreted or blown out of proportion something Corbyn said. While engaging in the exact same conduct. I don't get it. Smith seems to me quite an amiable man and quite clearly on the soft left. I don't think he's Nye Bevan, by a long stretch, but I think it takes genuine effort and ill-will to see him as a "wicked neoliberal". 

Thought provoking stuff. Maybe he lurks this thread?

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If he thinks smith is "soft left" his political compass has north written where east should be.

And if he thinks he's "amiable" he's a pillock.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

DesperateDan posted:

It's a bit terrifying to think about tbh, and I'm really glad that all the poo poo I trolled yahoo chat with when I was like 14 and it was 1998 was under a bunch of aliases because NEVER TELL ANYONE YOUR NAME OR WHERE YOU LIVE ON THE INTERNET is gone. Nowerdays kids gonna have their shitposting catch up with them all their drat lives, me? I get away with those few weeks I had unlimited entertainment rolling up in a turkish chatroom and calling the ataturk names.


The sound of a 56K US Robotics dialing up freeserve will forever be associated with a good old troll.

A standard thing in my companies interviews, and most of our industry, is to just put a candidates name into google to see what comes up. Further to that, stop applying for loving jobs with the e-mail address you registered when you were 14.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

serious gaylord posted:

A standard thing in my companies interviews, and most of our industry, is to just put a candidates name into google to see what comes up. Further to that, stop applying for loving jobs with the e-mail address you registered when you were 14.

It was tough, but I transitioned away from my lovely hotmail during my 20's and even managed to make a Gmail with my actual name.

I still use a dumb robot as my picture though, screw the haters.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Demiurge4 posted:

It was tough, but I transitioned away from my lovely hotmail during my 20's and even managed to make a Gmail with my actual name.

I still use a dumb robot as my picture though, screw the haters.

there's an Irish guy with my name who thinks he has firstname.lastname@gmail.com, but according to gmail, that's my email address as well. So he gets all my porn circulars, and I get all his receipts from just eat.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

there's an Irish guy with my name who thinks he has firstname.lastname@gmail.com, but according to gmail, that's my email address as well. So he gets all my porn circulars, and I get all his receipts from just eat.

I'm confused - surely only one of you is able to log in to that account and therefore read the porn and just eat emails?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

there's an Irish guy with my name who thinks he has firstname.lastname@gmail.com, but according to gmail, that's my email address as well. So he gets all my porn circulars, and I get all his receipts from just eat.

As I recall, gmail automatically removes full stops in email addresses, so maybe you both registered that address, one with full stop and one without?

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Pissflaps posted:

Are you talking about the ~3,000 labour members who are unable to vote in the leadership election because they broke party rules by tweeting that they voted Green? It's hardly the stuff of national outrage.

If the numbers really are that small, that's a pretty poor use of party money. Didn't someone in here post that the compliance team was around 20 strong now - it's just not worth it if we're talking 1% of the electorate, even with their wide definition of entryist.

Cerv posted:

Gutted that Momentum will no longer be able to trot out the line about winning every parliamentary by-election after this.

Didn't Labour just get absolutely smashed in a by-election?

Edit: Sheffield - 30 point swing to the LibDems.

Edit2: vv Gotcha, thanks.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Prince John posted:

Didn't Labour just get absolutely smashed in a by-election?

Edit: Sheffield - 30 point swing to the LibDems.

That's a local by-election, Cerv (and Momentum) are talking national. There have been loads of local by-elections of various results.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
I got mine when it was still invite only in 2004, and only started getting his emails three years later if memory serves. I have no idea if he can access it or anything else as I've never had rogue purchases or the like turn up to the best of my knowledge

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Pissflaps posted:

I'm confused - surely only one of you is able to log in to that account and therefore read the porn and just eat emails?
Sounds like a poor dietary choice.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Did The UK having its own bank to bailout soverign dwbt the true reason that the UK isnt being eaten by austerify as badly as continental Europe?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

OwlFancier posted:

As I recall, gmail automatically removes full stops in email addresses, so maybe you both registered that address, one with full stop and one without?

They're treated as the same address. Can't both register them.
The other guy must have some minor variation instead that is a different address, but occasionally make the mistake. Won't help if their work really is Firstname.lastname@whatever so they get into the habit of typing that.

Happens to a lot of people. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/15/help-im-accidentally-stealing-peoples-identities-and-i-dont-know-how-to-stop
Pretty hosed up if Just Eat really don't verify email address before activating the account

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Cerv posted:

They're treated as the same address. Can't both register them.
The other guy must have some minor variation instead that is a different address, but occasionally make the mistake. Won't help if their work really is Firstname.lastname@whatever so they get into the habit of typing that.

Happens to a lot of people. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/15/help-im-accidentally-stealing-peoples-identities-and-i-dont-know-how-to-stop
Pretty hosed up if Just Eat really don't verify email address before activating the account

I just called it spam and now I don't get them. What's more spooky is that not only does he have the exact same name as me, even though both my first and last names are extremely common in Ireland, is that he lives one street down from where my granddad lived out his last few years. Or at least according to some of the receipts for things I received

Random Integer
Oct 7, 2010

If I put my name into google most of the results are about a guy with the same name who died a couple of years ago, so I guess potential employers might mistake me for a vengeful ghost or something.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Vengeful ghosts don't get employment rights and the employer doesn't have to pay NI contributions so that may make you look like a better candidate.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


I have the same name as a famous actor, and mehall (which is my domain, so my email address) is an uncommon american surname, so I'm safe on that front too.
I should really make a website with the domain, just to make sure I have full control over how I appear online.. but I've not applied for a job in a while, so who cares.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

When I google my name it just replies with "you died alone" and then turns my computer off. :smith:

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

LemonDrizzle posted:

Interesting breakdown of British public opinion published by Opinium based on their polling data:



"Common Sense" + "Our Britain" together constituting 50% of the electorate sounds about right.
Why on earth is that section labelled "Common Sense"?

Like, not even any scare quotes or anything.

e: I was puzzled as to where all the Other/DNV votes were coming from and then I went "oh yeah, SNP". Although thinking about it, that in itself is a concern from a Labour perspective.

Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Sep 13, 2016

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
I Googled mine and got a facebook page of someone standing bollock naked in front of Edinburgh Castle. That was a while back though.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Tesseraction posted:

When I google my name it just replies with "you died alone" and then turns my computer off. :smith:

Turning your computer off is a good first step towards not dying alone. If that's what you're into.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I get the time I came 7th in an orienteering championship in primary school and my high school's newsletter of the time I won student of the week.

Those employers are going to be so loving impressed with that poo poo.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
I get the time I won an award at an international model UN conference for best delegate (after nearly causing a fight between Armenian and Turkish students visiting as well, that was a fun school trip) and a metal reviews website I used to write for. Very impressive.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Coohoolin posted:

I get the time I won an award at an international model UN conference for best delegate (after nearly causing a fight between Armenian and Turkish students visiting as well, that was a fun school trip) and a metal reviews website I used to write for. Very impressive.

If you only got the Armenians and the Turkish to nearly fight then you probably deserved your award.

My name is a fairly generic Welsh person's name (not quite David Jones but close) so googling me gets millions of results that aren't me.

Vengeance of Pandas
Sep 8, 2008

THE TERRIBLE POST WENT THATAWAY!
Googling the email address I've used for 16 years turned up nothing related to me nor did searching my name. I am non-existant according to Google.

Cerv posted:

So only 3107 "rule breakers" have been excluded from the Labour ballot, plus 1616 still to be considered. Talk about a storm in a tea cup

I saw a claim it included conference delegates who were prepared to vote in support of Corbyn, if that's the case then it's a bit bigger than a tea cup.

edit: https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/775254155791310849

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZqDlOywlb4

Worth watching that video, a Labour councillor with experience in law talking about how she was purged.

Vengeance of Pandas fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Sep 13, 2016

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
The boundary commission's recommendations have now been published - someone's made a good interactive map showing the old and new boundaries: http://election-data.co.uk/boundary-commission-proposals

Looks like Caroline Lucas may be in trouble - her constituency's been removed, with one big chunk being absorbed into Hove (currently a Labour-held Lab/Con marginal) and the other picking up lots of Tory wards from Brighton Kemptown (Tory-held Lab/Con marginal)
"Loss of Great Grimsby means Labour won't have a seat on the coast between Hull and Brighton."

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Paul.Power posted:

Why on earth is that section labelled "Common Sense"?

Like, not even any scare quotes or anything.
Well

I mean

It's just common sense, innit?

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Considering how badly Wales is being shafted by the boundary review, I'm surprised that Swansea is keeping 3 MPs.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Paul.Power posted:

Why on earth is that section labelled "Common Sense"?

Like, not even any scare quotes or anything.

e: I was puzzled as to where all the Other/DNV votes were coming from and then I went "oh yeah, SNP". Although thinking about it, that in itself is a concern from a Labour perspective.

The fact loving six of those boxes have a preference for a "low tax economy" is loving appalling. Everyone's banging on about patriotism lately but nobody actually wants to spend any money on the country they supposedly love.

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Baron Corbyn posted:

Considering how badly Wales is being shafted by the boundary review, I'm surprised that Swansea is keeping 3 MPs.

The map doesn't seem to include the proposed boundary changes for Wales, so it's hard to say. I'd bet there'll be some skullduggery with trying to shift Labour voters out of Gower into Swansea East or something, though. And maybe some Tories from Swansea West into Gower.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

LemonDrizzle posted:

The boundary commission's recommendations have now been published - someone's made a good interactive map showing the old and new boundaries: http://election-data.co.uk/boundary-commission-proposals

Looks like Caroline Lucas may be in trouble - her constituency's been removed, with one big chunk being absorbed into Hove (currently a Labour-held Lab/Con marginal) and the other picking up lots of Tory wards from Brighton Kemptown (Tory-held Lab/Con marginal)
"Loss of Great Grimsby means Labour won't have a seat on the coast between Hull and Brighton."

Has anybody done any analysis of the new seats and how they're likely to go? Finger in the air, 4 seats in the east end of London will have the slowly-rising Tory areas in two of them split between three very safe Labour seats.

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.
Why are people acting like the boundary commission is plotting against Labour, they are literally following the rules that were put out and there are still 3 public consultations to be made, last time this changed 2/3 of the boundary changes. You can make an argument that the rules are set up to adversely affect Labour but the Boundary Commission aren't a secret anti-Labour cabal, take off your tinfoil hats.

Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Pissflaps posted:

Thought provoking stuff. Maybe he lurks this thread?

He's a loving idiot

https://twitter.com/sturdyalex/status/771798410445881344

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Vengeance of Pandas posted:

Googling the email address I've used for 16 years turned up nothing related to me nor did searching my name. I am non-existant according to Google.


Same here, and my facebook page is limited to comments such as 'the weather is horrible', 'your children are beautiful' and 'I really love cake'. Anyone reading it looking for dirt wuld die of boredom first.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
So someone was asking earlier whether Corbyn is a terrifying communist or a bumbling incompetent. I'm listening to the Today programme this morning taking about the boundary changes and the possibility of replacing some MPs with those who support Corbyn. Lots of talk of "communism" and "messiahs" and 'my party being taken away " and vicious "fights for Labour's soul".

So I'm going to officially declare today a Jam Stalin day , the first for about a week.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
I don't really like jam that much.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


Soft left types used to loving hate Alex when he was supporting Corbyn and say stuff about him being the dumbest guy on Twitter and stuff.

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

I share my real name with both a famous architect and an infamous rapper, I'm relatively safe.

The FurAffinity profile that comes up when you google my username is definitely not me, honest

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008


You say that and yet the thread daily jumps between "there's no point voting for labour if they have to adopt a centralist manifesto to get into power" and "oh no look at this specifically bad thing the tories are doing" without a shred of self awareness

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Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*
Yes we need a centrist Labour government doing bad things.

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