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steinrokkan posted:Wasn't 8chan established because people were banned from 4chan for posting CP. This. I mean especially since that has to be a good way to end up on a fbi watch list for "possibly watches CP:.
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Well I don't know about you guys but I'm now convinced that there's literally no differences between us and the people who  ironically say that all the blacks and Jews need to be slaughtered in the streets. Thank you, brave defenders of the Alt-Right ITT, for opening my eyes that truly it is #NotAllMen.
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To be fair i said nazi poo poo in high school cause it made people mad. See: badly drawn swastikas in the bathroom
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Who What Now posted:Well I don't know about you guys but I'm now convinced that there's literally no differences between us and the people who Just keep wasting your time on dumb young idiots instead of the people who are actively working to run the world into the ground because of a need for some sort of equivalence between them. We should divide our attention between raking the leaves off the front lawn, and putting out the fire that has spread from the kitchen to the living room.
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Crowsbeak posted:Wait so you think someone who is openly racist can't be racist. Oh lol. Now you say all millenials are evil leftists by linking to the alt right. I think we got our self a nazi here. BTW I prefer Stormfront to you because they're honest about what subhumans they are. Oh yeah I remember saying all those things. You're a prime example of why the D&D title used to read "you are racist" Sethex fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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The 'they just do it for the shock' line is 100% bullshit, it is sincere, you become what you pretend to be. They may claim insincerity, but that is solely because they aren't quite yet ready to admit it, or they hope to trip people up by claiming that. They're not being honest, they just pulling the usual sociopathic trick of denying reality, telling the same lie long enough, in the hopes that people believe. And evidently, by the posts of some itt, some people do. I get it, it's hard to admit that some people really are just shits, who enjoy hurting others. Most people aren't like that, and it's natural to want to believe the best in people, commendable even. But in the case of people who use ovens as Twitter avatars, who embrace the death drive, that is not accurate. They're not beyond rehabilitation, at least not most of them. But don't kid yourself - the only reason they're not killing innocent people, is because they don't have the opportunity to, not because they don't want to.
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steinrokkan posted:Just keep wasting your time on dumb young idiots instead of the people who are actively working to run the world into the ground because of a need for some sort of equivalence between them. Aw dang, I forgot that I was physically incapable of caring about two things and that I could only ever concern myself with one group for the fullness of time. You're really a big help today, thank you!
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Who What Now posted:Aw dang, I forgot that I was physically incapable of caring about two things and that I could only ever concern myself with one group for the fullness of time. You're really a big help today, thank you! Well, yeah, it's impossible to infinitely multiply your energy between a growing number of concerns.
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Sethex posted:Oh yeah I remember saying all those things. Well it's true. Sorry if I triggered you.
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rudatron posted:The 'they just do it for the shock' line is 100% bullshit, it is sincere, you become what you pretend to be. They may claim insincerity, but that is solely because they aren't quite yet ready to admit it, or they hope to trip people up by claiming that. They're not being honest, they just pulling the usual sociopathic trick of denying reality, telling the same lie long enough, in the hopes that people believe. And evidently, by the posts of some itt, some people do. I think most people really do laugh at shock stuff. There being an actual movie called "gay niggers from outerspace" is so absurd and unexpected and awful it's funny. I think the concept of shock humor is a real thing. But being shock requires novelty, looking up and seeing that movie exists once is funny and shocking, once you have talked about it for more than a few minutes it's no longer a shock and you are just talking about it legitimately. I think shock humor is a real thing but people use it as a cover, once you have spent more than a half an hour or so on any topic you are no longer doing it out of shock, shock is long worn off.
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Crowsbeak posted:Wait so you think someone who is openly racist can't be racist. Oh lol. Now you say all millenials are evil leftists by linking to the alt right. I think we got our self a nazi here. BTW I prefer Stormfront to you because they're honest about what subhumans they are. 
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Well you can choose to lose your humanity.
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steinrokkan posted:Well, yeah, it's impossible to infinitely multiply your energy between a growing number of concerns. Why are you wasting all your energy defending the alt-right when there are real injustices in the world you should be focusing on?
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Ocrassus posted:The consensus seems to be that women's sexual and economic liberation is a bad thing. It's a bad thing for society because they believe women are inherently inferior and only good for making babies, and it's a bad thing for them because women are no longer forced to be dependent on a monogamous relationship with a man to support themselves, which means less women are forced to pair off with men like themselves. If they actually won, they'd be equally pissed off, because their Assigned Woman would probably be some pudgy housewife with frequent headaches in the evening, rather than the monogamous 19-year-old porn star they are imagining.
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I dunno, the racist and sexual slurs alt-right types have flung at me seemed pretty sincere, but maybe I'm just not understanding the fourth dimensional chess they're playing.
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Pussy Cartel posted:I dunno, the racist and sexual slurs alt-right types have flung at me seemed pretty sincere, but maybe I'm just not understanding the fourth dimensional chess they're playing. Yeah, but I bet you've probably said something that wasn't very nice about them so really, who's the real monster? I think you'll find that it's actually you and the Alt-Right is completely without fault of any kind.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I think most people really do laugh at shock stuff. There being an actual movie called "gay niggers from outerspace" is so absurd and unexpected and awful it's funny.
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Armani posted:What is with this weird passive-aggressive tone about D&D. We all literally hate and disagree with each other all the time here - it's the loving opposite of a circle jerk/safe space. That part is to be expected, but the rules of D&D would suggest the sub were at least attempting to be a place for discussion. What it very often ends up being is a bunch of cringy leftists calling eachother racist, nazis: Crowsbeak posted:Wait so you think someone who is openly racist can't be racist. Oh lol. Now you say all millenials are evil leftists by linking to the alt right. I think we got our self a nazi here. BTW I prefer Stormfront to you because they're honest about what subhumans they are. Sethex fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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I'm not sure that "Don't be mean to Stormfront" is the hill you want to die on.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure that "Don't be mean to Stormfront" is the hill you want to die on. I'm not sure you read good.
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Well the other option is that he was calling you subhuman and I don't think you're a leftist so it still wouldn't make a lot of sense. The whole thread really has been an exercise in calling the alt right a bunch of off-brand nazis so it would be more accurate to say that's what DnD is about.
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OwlFancier posted:Well the other option is that he was calling you subhuman and I don't think you're a leftist so it still wouldn't make a lot of sense. I did say the left holds the greatest promise for the future, and that I do identify as a leftist. I just think the American left and university of Berkeley brand of identity politics is a giant waste of time that hurts more than helps.
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Sethex posted:That part is to be expected, but the rules of D&D would suggest the sub were at least attempting to be a place for discussion. What it very often ends up being is a bunch of cringy leftists calling eachother racist, nazis: Explain how the "alt-right" is not racist or misogynist. For bonus points, explain what policies they support and how they'd make the world a better place. If you want to unequivocally prove the alt-right isn't a bunch of angry incel shutins who split time between 4Chan and League of Legends, this is your shot, chico. Pretty sure the alt-right is just gamergate.
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Is Stormfront the alt right now Is literally everything the alt-right And if so, is it the product of some sort of collective aneurysm
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steinrokkan posted:Is Stormfront the alt right now I don't believe there is an alt-right; there's is only the right. It's an astroturfed term to describe millennial right wingers who enjoy anime porn and do NOT enjoy women talking about video games. Also a way for very serious, establishment, still racist and still misogynist, right-wingers to say "These guys are with us, but they're not like us, we're better, but they have our backs!"
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Sethex posted:I did say the left holds the greatest promise for the future, and that I do identify as a leftist. The American left is stymied by being in a country that has had a political spectrum comprised entirely of flavours of liberalism for 100% of its history. However, there is absolutely nothing preventing an integration of identity politics into an economic leftist platform, the two are not remotely mutually exclusive and there is no credible reason to dislike one in favor of the other.
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Sethex posted:That part is to be expected, but the rules of D&D would suggest the sub were at least attempting to be a place for discussion. What it very often ends up being is a bunch of cringy leftists calling eachother racist, nazis: Oh lol he thinks I am a leftist. How cute. I'll clue you into something, it doesn't take a lefty to oppose a nazi. Just someone who isn't a subhuman. Also I don't like calling it the alt right, its too politically correct.
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Noam Chomsky posted:I don't believe there is an alt-right; there's is only the right. It's an astroturfed term to describe millennial right wingers who enjoy anime porn and do NOT enjoy women talking about video games. Noam Chomsky posted:Explain how the "alt-right" is not racist or misogynist. For bonus points, explain what policies they support and how they'd make the world a better place. IDGI E: Nvm, I agree.
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steinrokkan posted:Is Stormfront the alt right now Well apparently the entire left is encapsulated in a single video of a single college campus, so I don't see a problem here.
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Noam Chomsky posted:Explain how the "alt-right" is not racist or misogynist. For bonus points, explain what policies they support and how they'd make the world a better place. You just didn't read anything I've said at all have you.
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Sethex posted:You just didn't read anything I've said at all have you. Well what you've said is. "These guys arn't racists". THey all just like to aharass jews and blacks on twitter with slavery and holocaust memes is all good fun". Sorry if we don't think thats anything but lies.
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Is there any sort of reliable demographic data (or polling) of self-identified Alt-righters? It might help to have some sense of perspective when we're trying to figure out how much of the Alt-right is edgy memes for fashy teens, how much is misogyny, and how much is an expression of typical conservative concerns about stability and security. Or maybe it's all about sex. But I doubt it.
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Sethex posted:You just didn't read anything I've said at all have you. Not really. Just assumed you were another person making the following nonsensical points: • "But that's what they say about YOU!" • "Don't say these people who are angry about being social outcasts are right-wingers because they're angry at being social outcasts!" • "Stop saying these men who hate women aren't angry about not getting laid!" • and on and on...
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The_Book_Of_Harry posted:Is there any sort of reliable demographic data (or polling) of self-identified Alt-righters? It's not about sex. It's about socialization and isolation. It just so happens that having sex is the most social thing we can do. 
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The_Book_Of_Harry posted:Or maybe it's all about sex. But I doubt it. It's not "all about" sex, but you can't deny that a large part of their hatred comes from being sexually frustrated, otherwise you wouldn't see so much sexism coming from them.
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WampaLord posted:It's not "all about" sex, but you can't deny that a large part of their hatred comes from being sexually frustrated, otherwise you wouldn't see so much sexism coming from them. For sure. Just like for a percentage of them, it's largely a racial thing. I just wonder what the percentages are.
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OwlFancier posted:
They are compatible for sure, but adding a bunch of fluff on pronouns, microaggressions etc repulses low education working class people. You should go for pragmatism over this sort of idealistic cultural shift. To many looks like a lot of what is happening is a sort of catering to a bunch of overly sensitive people and passive censorship.
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WampaLord posted:It's not "all about" sex, but you can't deny that a large part of their hatred comes from being sexually frustrated, otherwise you wouldn't see so much sexism coming from them. The_Book_Of_Harry posted:Is there any sort of reliable demographic data (or polling) of self-identified Alt-righters?
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Crowsbeak posted:Well what you've said is. "These guys arn't racists". THey all just like to aharass jews and blacks on twitter with slavery and holocaust memes is all good fun". Sorry if we don't think thats anything but lies. Arguings easy when you just make up a bunch of quotes. Sethex fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sethex posted:They are compatible for sure, but adding a bunch of fluff on pronouns, microaggressions etc repulses low education working class people.
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