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OwlFancier posted:The American left is stymied by being in a country that has had a political spectrum comprised entirely of flavours of liberalism for 100% of its history. That's only really true for, like, post WW2 US.
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OwlFancier posted:I wonder if there's a reason why college campus politics concerned primarily with the environment of the college campus might not be especially concerned about what low education working class people think of their activities. Yeah a college campus is an example, but youre being dishonest when you assume that is where it is exclusively practiced. Lots of academics, media types and writers have been subject to the prickly people fighting for their view of social justice. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/...-bell-ca&espv=1 Sethex fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 18:09
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Sethex posted:I wonder if the whole thing also expands beyond the college campus. Why don't you go and find out and come back when you have some solid findings.
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Sep 30, 2016 18:13
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:That's only really true for, like, post WW2 US. What did you have before it? I wasn't aware of a portion of US history that wasn't pretty in favor of having distinct economic classes and prizing the power of the wealthy over everything else, that's virtually the reason the country was founded.
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Sep 30, 2016 18:13
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Sethex posted:I wonder if the whole thing also expands beyond the college campus. Possibly. Being a decent human being doesn't stop once you leave college. Possibly for some it doesn't even start there. I mean, colleges are not enclaves completely separated from the rest of the world. That's sort of the point of any education system, particularly higher education, in that they're the real world with training wheels still on.
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Sep 30, 2016 18:16
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OwlFancier posted:What did you have before it? I wasn't aware of a portion of US history that wasn't pretty in favor of having distinct economic classes and prizing the power of the wealthy over everything else, that's virtually the reason the country was founded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_socialist_movement_in_the_United_States I'm not American.
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Sep 30, 2016 18:22
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The funny thing about the "PC students" kerfuffle is that it is largely older people criticizing young people for being overly polite, respectful and careful of their words. What happened to "young people have no respect these days!"
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Sep 30, 2016 18:30
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Sethex posted:Arguings easy when you just make up a bunch of quotes. So do you think that shows people who are not racists? This should be a simple yes or no.
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Sep 30, 2016 18:33
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BarbarianElephant posted:The funny thing about the "PC students" kerfuffle is that it is largely older people criticizing young people for being overly polite, respectful and careful of their words. What happened to "young people have no respect these days!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwrGCw1uY8 "Back in my day we used to kick the poo poo out of the likes of me"
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Sep 30, 2016 18:37
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Rush Limbo posted:Possibly. Being a decent human being doesn't stop once you leave college. Possibly for some it doesn't even start there. Being offended on behalf of others is virtue signalling, not being a decent human being. Your statement is also generally stupid because it implies a deviation from your preferred folkways is a departure from being a 'decent human being'. Sethex fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 19:18
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'Virtue signalling' is a dogwhistle used primarily by sociopaths to justify their own amoral, unempathic tendencies.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:21
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Sethex posted:Being offended on behalf of others is virtue signalling, Oh no, people merely pretending to act like they're good people. Truly that is exactly the same as people merely "pretending" to be bigoted pieces of poo poo.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:21
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Vindicator posted:'Virtue signalling' is a dogwhistle used primarily by sociopaths to justify their own amoral, unempathic tendencies. Oh is it now? I didn't realize your ideology had made all these rules around language that are universal in meaning.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:23
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Sethex posted:Oh is it now? I didn't realize your ideology had made all these rules around language that are universal in meaning. What the actual problem with "virtue signaling", in your eyes?
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Sep 30, 2016 19:24
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Sethex posted:Being offended on behalf of others is virtue signalling, not being a decent human being. Are you sure you're identify as leftist? Because you're making it very hard to believe you.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:26
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Sethex posted:Being offended on behalf of others is virtue signalling, not being a decent human being. So no clarification I see about tweeting holocaust pics at Jewish people. Thanks for providing proof you're a subhuman.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:29
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Vindicator posted:'Virtue signalling' is a dogwhistle used primarily by sociopaths to justify their own amoral, unempathic tendencies. aka "shaming is bad when the left does it, especially by positive example"
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Sep 30, 2016 19:31
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Who What Now posted:What the actual problem with "virtue signaling", in your eyes? Pretty much that: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling
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Sep 30, 2016 19:33
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Sethex posted:Being offended on behalf of others is virtue signalling, not being a decent human being. So empathy isn't the hallmark of a decent person? The whole virtue signalling thing mostly come off to me as "If minorities aren't around, I'm allowed to be a bigot without anyone calling me out! How dare anyone else be annoyed that I'm acting like some 19th century knuckledragger!"
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Sep 30, 2016 19:34
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The concept of belief shaping someone's behaviour is a very, very old one. Like, even very primitive cultures have this idea. The concept of 'fake it until you make it' or even just 'believe in yourself' are powerful ones that do actually work because of how our brains work. I guess I don't find it hard to imagine that some people initially only use racist or misogynist behaviour 'ironically' to begin with, the problem is that it very soon stops being ironic and invariably ends up as actual belief because you can't wallow in poo poo and not expect to end up stinking of it.
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I mean I reckon being offended on behalf of other is a sign that you have a well developed sense of empathy and are capable of putting yourself in the place of another person habitually, which is a good thing. Maybe I'm crazy though.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:40
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Sethex posted:Pretty much that: I didn't ask what it is, I asked what your problem with this. Use your own words like a big boy now.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:42
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Sethex posted:Oh is it now? I didn't realize your ideology had made all these rules around language that are universal in meaning. You're attempting to speak for the motivations of complete strangers, and doing a piss-poor job of it. You're literally advocating a position which asserts empathy, as a concept, does not exist. That certainly sounds like the product of a mind that is incapable of recognizing and processing empathy.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:43
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Rush Limbo posted:The concept of belief shaping someone's behaviour is a very, very old one. Like, even very primitive cultures have this idea. Kinda reads like a manifesto for being upset at any language that contains hints of racism or humor on controversial subjects. Realistically racism is used to be an authentic prick, bolster one's group pride, but also to communicate friendship between people, I have a bunch of Chinese an Indian friends that throw around racially charged jokes because they are signalling intimacy. To say any fake racism leads to racism begs some evidence.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:47
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Sethex posted:Kinda reads like a manifesto for being upset at any language that contains hints of racism or humor on controversial subjects. That's impressive. It combines "PC culture is ruining humour" as well as "well my black friend..." Again are you really really sure you identify as leftist, or is this like, transpoliticalism, where you identify as leftist regardless of the state of your current observable political opinions. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 19:50
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Sethex posted:Kinda reads like a manifesto for being upset at any language that contains hints of racism or humor on controversial subjects. We're not talking about that, we're talking about white dudes joking about exterminating all the brown people.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:50
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Sethex posted:Kinda reads like a manifesto for being upset at any language that contains hints of racism or humor on controversial subjects. People who throw racially charged jokes at each other are perpetuating racism. It doesn't matter that they're friends or that they like each other. You can think highly of someone and still judge them according to racist preconceptions. That's why "you're really hot for a black girl" is a statement that demonstrates both attraction and prejudice.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:56
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Who What Now posted:We're not talking about that, we're talking about white dudes joking about exterminating all the brown people. His silence makes it clear he is fine with it.
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Sep 30, 2016 20:10
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Crowsbeak posted:So no clarification I see about tweeting holocaust pics at Jewish people. Thanks for providing proof you're a subhuman. This is a better way to approach radicals. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/07/15/485900076/how-a-danish-town-helped-young-muslims-turn-away-from-isis Calling people subhuman is a gross simplification. The alt right are humans, our brothers and sisters, who have fallen into harmful ideology and behavior. The way you are approaching it is harmful and I think antithetical to the example set by Jesus.
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Sep 30, 2016 20:26
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BrandorKP posted:This is a better way to approach radicals.
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Widukind... Are you sure that's what you want to go with?
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Vindicator posted:People who throw racially charged jokes at each other are perpetuating racism. It doesn't matter that they're friends or that they like each other. You can think highly of someone and still judge them according to racist preconceptions. That's why "you're really hot for a black girl" is a statement that demonstrates both attraction and prejudice. I agree, the alt right haven FYAD should be closed, but mods seem to think that posters making threads with nothing but the word "friend of the family" repeated again and again is subversive and progressive.
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Who What Now posted:We're not talking about that, we're talking about white dudes joking about exterminating all the brown people. Jokes about the Holocaust lead to holocaust, got it. That image is funny, sadly I'm not educated enough in being a decent person to understand how this image will lead to genocide:  Crowsbeak posted:His silence makes it clear he is fine with it. Yeah that's how forums work. Sethex fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 21:09
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Sethex posted:Jokes about the Holocaust lead to holocaust, got it. Jokes about lynching blacks absolutely led to lynching blacks.
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Sep 30, 2016 21:13
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Sethex posted:Jokes about the Holocaust lead to holocaust, got it. "Racist jokes aren't actually racist, even if minorities feel they are," says local white guy.
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Sep 30, 2016 21:16
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Who What Now posted:Jokes about lynching blacks absolutely led to lynching blacks. Uh huh, had the jokes not been present the south woulda just embraced pluralism.
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Sep 30, 2016 21:17
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Sethex posted:Uh huh, had the jokes not been present the south woulda just embraced pluralism. Had people not been so emboldened that they treated it as a joke it would likely have happened less, yes, that is true.
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Sep 30, 2016 21:21
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Sethex posted:Jokes about the Holocaust lead to holocaust, got it. Saying "Just glass the Middle East" has become such a common thing, there are people who actually don't even bother to pretend they don't mean it seriously. Probably due to some anti-intellectual impulse that is own to all humans, the appeal of a joke is that it often presents a vision of a solution to a problem that is compellingly easy, from the joker's point of view, with none of the nuance that it is usually beset with.
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Who What Now posted:Had people not been so emboldened that they treated it as a joke it would likely have happened less, yes, that is true. Hah cute theory based entirely on your imagination, whose purpose is to justify your opinion. Pussy Cartel posted:"Racist jokes aren't actually racist, even if minorities feel they are," says local white guy. Subset of demographic offended, ban what offended them. #authoritarianleft Why don't you guys just start a movement titled "ban everything that is offensive because that is actually what we want." Sethex fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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