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Baronjutter posted:All the wealthy western countries are going to go full on fascist anyways when climate change produces billions of "climate refugees" once places like india become failed states after mass famine and political instability. The worst anti-immigrant and refugee politics right now are going to seem humane and progressive. I predict we're going to hear a lot about lifeboat ethics in 20 years
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rkajdi posted:My solution isn't laissez faire. I want to force the movement of oversea labor to go hand in hand with increasing standard of living. But protecting unskilled labor the way that's been suggested is just another way of saying that you think winning the vaginal lottery and being born in the US means you should somehow get a leg up on all the other unskilled labor in the world. I don't buy it. The endgame of this attitude is racial/ethnic loyalties replacing national loyalties. Once you've given up on nationalism, you've given up your ability to say "Let's ignore race and culture, we're all American after all". We are already seeing a retreat to this already (not just white nationalism, black nationalism and other groups are getting in the game), and there's no reason the trend will reverse anytime soon. Also as a side note, if American citizenship is nothing special anymore and open borders are great, the US should stop taxing US citizens overseas, making it easier to escape US taxation if the desire to emigrate came about.
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rkajdi posted:A pathetic white supremacist who's posting history is fully of talking how the "elites" are letting immigrants in and "undermining white communities" appears and supports your position. If that isn't enough to tell you that you are the wrong side of history, I don't know what is. Who is it that determines economic and immigration policies if not the elites? Globalism (capitalism) has created greater economic equality but it has also established, enriched, and empowered the native capitalist and bourgeoisie classes to establish a concrete and entrenched capitalist system in all corners of the world. The end result of this is the empowerment and reification of the capitalist system on a global scale in a way that didn't exist in the post colonial/cold war era. This line of thought is not really leftist or socialist, it's a form of capitalist racial equality, and beyond that in this case, it's specifically anti-white. The goal above all others is the destruction of white identity as it exists now through an alliance (in the ideological sense) with global Capitalism.
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rkajdi posted:I dunno. The US has done a pretty piss poor job of keeping its culture "safe" from migration waves. IMO this is a good thing, of course, since the addition of immigrant communities has been a huge boon to the US economy. Half the reason why the US motion picture industry (which is often shown as the spearhead of US cultural hegemony) took off is because of the initial work done by Jewish immigrants and children of immigrants when it was an "illegitimate" job and thus unworthy of the established white community. The reason US culture tends to do well is because it tends to absorb parts from other cultures and is syncretic in ways that for instance European culture just isn't currently. If the way you assimilate cultures is to make part of their culture yours, I'm not sure that's drowning out so much as just having a combination of the two. I'll also be the first to admit that we haven't done perfectly with this-- look at the Native Americans for a great example of the US stomping the living gently caress out of another culture and not really combining with it. But the way to remove the artificial barriers between people is going to be accepting that what ends up existing is a combination of the two, and that end of the difference is a good thing not a bad one. Also, you're underestimating the strength of US culture, which is powerful enough to partially assimilate people outside its borders. In a free-for-all scenario, many smaller cultures would no longer be able to remain the focus for their own syncretic absorption within their own cultural borders, when in direct competition with the American (or possibly Chinese) juggernaut. Basically, new arrivals would just become English/Chinese speakers, if they weren't already, and the natives would just go along with it because hey, why not, that's easier for everyone involved.
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TheNakedFantastic posted:This line of thought is not really leftist or socialist, it's a form of capitalist racial equality, and beyond that in this case, it's specifically anti-white.
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capitalist racial equality is code for anti-white!!
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Well this thread is going places but, having just read the whole thing, I still prefer this to analyzing the sex lives of the Alt-Right. Also this entire topic has almost exclusively been about American Right-Wingers. Why no comparison between the Alt-Right and Euro Righties? Isn't Milo from England? There was this post Typo posted:imo it's basically younger people who I would imagine they'd all get their teeth kicked in by the Euro Right, however.
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TheNakedFantastic posted:Who is it that determines economic and immigration policies if not the elites? Globalism (capitalism) has created greater economic equality but it has also established, enriched, and empowered the native capitalist and bourgeoisie classes to establish a concrete and entrenched capitalist system in all corners of the world. The end result of this is the empowerment and reification of the capitalist system on a global scale in a way that didn't exist in the post colonial/cold war era. White identity is nothing good, and if it's rubbed out that's great. It wouldn't mean white people would disappear, and Bon Jovi wouldn't even disappear. But if clueless white people stopped thinking that they're entitled to be first in everything, that would be wonderful.
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woke wedding drone posted:White identity is nothing good, and if it's rubbed out that's great. It will only die if other identities based on melanin content die.
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NikkolasKing posted:Well this thread is going places but, having just read the whole thing, I still prefer this to analyzing the sex lives of the Alt-Right. Pretty sure most people here just want to be smug about how this will totally be the end of conservatism and the dawning of liberal hegemony.
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NikkolasKing posted:Also this entire topic has almost exclusively been about American Right-Wingers. Why no comparison between the Alt-Right and Euro Righties? In a lot of ways, the alt-right *is* the Euro-style far-right. Less emphasis on hating the poors, and more emphasis on bigotry, racism and extreme nationalism. However, the hatred of women and feminists is uniquely its own - the Euro right is more laser-focused on race and religion.
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Crowsbeak posted:It will only die if other identities based on melanin content die. No, that's called genocide and it's been ongoing since white identity was created.
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woke wedding drone posted:No, that's called genocide and it's been ongoing since white identity was created. Wait so people not identifying themselves based on their skin color is genocide. Thanks for another turd of wisdom. But then sedanchairs entire posts could be summarized as; "gently caress whitey". Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Wait so people not identifying themselves based on their skin color is genocide. Thanks for another turd of wisdom. But then sedanchairs entire posts could be summarized as; "gently caress whitey". To be fair, whitey needs to get hosed something fierce.
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Who What Now posted:To be fair, whitey needs to get hosed something fierce. Yeah good job at getting rid of prejudice you guys. Why not gently caress the concept of identity based on skin color.
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BarbarianElephant posted:In a lot of ways, the alt-right *is* the Euro-style far-right. Less emphasis on hating the poors, and more emphasis on bigotry, racism and extreme nationalism. However, the hatred of women and feminists is uniquely its own - the Euro right is more laser-focused on race and religion. It really isn't. In fact, the far right in Europe are able to get so much support is because they are in favor programs that benefit the lower class (but only those belonging to the right ethno-national identity). The bigotry and extreme nationalism is what happens when we follow the type of economic policy this thread wants to and expect people to just accept being screwed over because "it's not your turn."
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah good job at getting rid of prejudice you guys. Why not gently caress the concept of identity based on skin color. Oh no, someone said something not nice about white people. Truly this is the worst.
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MizPiz posted:It really isn't. In fact, the far right in Europe are able to get so much support is because they are in favor programs that benefit the lower class (but only those belonging to the right ethno-national identity). The bigotry and extreme nationalism is what happens when we follow the type of economic policy this thread wants to and expect people to just accept being screwed over because "it's not your turn." Yeah that's one thing I like about European Conservatism. The "welfare state" is not a dirty word there. Advocating leaving sick people to die in the street is not okay there. Giving those dying sick people a Bible instead of actual help is not okay there. The Far Right groups might be taking it...well, farther but they're still not as insane as our Right Wingers. And specifically when we compare them with the Alt-Right, the Alt-Right looks even more pathetic than it is. Obviously they take pride in being "different" from the mainstream Right, possibly indulging delusions of being against the establishment. They are armchair revolutionaries, or maybe desk chair revolutionaries. Meanwhile, the Euro Far Right actually are doing stuff.
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Since we spent so much of this thread speculating on the sex life of the right, can we spend some time speculating on the average skin color of the gently caress whitey posters, I'm going with somewhere between ivory and alabaster. Subliminated self-hatred is so tedious to read...
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SickZip posted:Since we spent so much of this thread speculating on the sex life of the right, can we spend some time speculating on the average skin color of the gently caress whitey posters, I'm going with somewhere between ivory and alabaster. when you don't have anything else to say but you're really mad at the thread, accuse them of being whiter than you are
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Doredrin posted:If I were running Hillary Clinton's campaign I would do everything I could to get the voter to associate Donald Trump with 4chan, Stormfront, etc. I've spent some time on /pol/ in the past few years and they are some of the worst people in existence. She is definitely trying, but running up against the fact that Grandma has no idea of what 4chan is except maybe that place where her grandson talks about video games.
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NikkolasKing posted:Yeah that's one thing I like about European Conservatism. The "welfare state" is not a dirty word there. Advocating leaving sick people to die in the street is not okay there. Giving those dying sick people a Bible instead of actual help is not okay there. The Far Right groups might be taking it...well, farther but they're still not as insane as our Right Wingers. Oh no, that's perfectly acceptable in Europe. The thing is you can't let that happen to citizens. And the means to acquire citizenship is much more strict in Europe. That's honestly the white nationalist end-game - to acquire a means of legally discriminating services based on your race.
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boner confessor posted:when you don't have anything else to say but you're really mad at the thread, accuse them of being whiter than you are No real anger involved here, its just hella lame white (har har) noise
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at least one of the people you're accusing of being white is black, so you're not just dumb, you're also wrong if you're that mad, you don't have to post. you wont get revenge on strangers who made you feel bad feelings over the internet by calling them white, when they're not. that doesn't work
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You dumb, stupid, weak, pathetic, white, white... uh-uhh... guilt... white-guilt, milquetoast... piece of human garbage
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SickZip posted:Since we spent so much of this thread speculating on the sex life of the right, can we spend some time speculating on the average skin color of the gently caress whitey posters, I'm going with somewhere between ivory and alabaster. Is Flourescent Bulb a color? I believe you've correctly diagnosed the real issue here, which is helpless nerds seeking internet credibility by latching onto an idea that they think is cool right now. If this were the 90s it would be based on swing dancing re-enactment, or something about abortions
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i know you are the whitest, because salt is white, and you are salty as gently caress bruh
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Euro-fascists don't want foreigners of any sort. They have the superpower of being able to discriminate against other lily-white people, for instance Poles or Romanians or Irish travellers. Foreigners who look different are even worse, of course. One thing Euro-fascists don't generally care about is religion. A lot of them are like the alt-right, die-hard atheists. This doesn't stop them discriminating *hard* against Muslims or Hindus or Jews, but they aren't personally religious. Except when defending cultural stuff like racist Christmas parades.
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SickZip posted:Since we spent so much of this thread speculating on the sex life of the right, can we spend some time speculating on the average skin color of the gently caress whitey posters, I'm going with somewhere between ivory and alabaster. Oh they are undoubtedly white. When non-whites go into "gently caress whitey" mode, they actually have a plan to re-enfranchise whatever group they're trying to help; white people who do it just want to punish other white people for making them look bad and prove how totally not racist they are. On top of that, there's a sense of self-assuredness that a policy will just naturally evolve into an egalitarian system that can really only come from a white privileged perspective.
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The thing I've noticed about the alt-right is that, most likely because of its internet nerd user base, they always try to give it a veneer of intellectualism by pointing to "thinkers" or "speakers" who espouse the same crap, that really just feeds their own sense of intellectual superiority.BarbarianElephant posted:Euro-fascists don't want foreigners of any sort. They have the superpower of being able to discriminate against other lily-white people, for instance Poles or Romanians or Irish travellers. Foreigners who look different are even worse, of course. The only time you ever see Euro-fascists mention religion is when it comes as a rallying cry about a traditional identity being used, like when people say, "Since when is Muslim a race?" but you know full well they don't give a poo poo about Christian Arabs, either. Edit: I remember Pat Buchanan a year or two ago, lamenting "Catholic" immigration, knowing full well that he and his entire family is staunchly Catholic.
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mojo1701a posted:The only time you ever see Euro-fascists mention religion is when it comes as a rallying cry about a traditional identity being used, like when people say, "Since when is Muslim a race?" but you know full well they don't give a poo poo about Christian Arabs, either. Disputing the definition of a racist is a sure-fire sign of a racist. Racists are happy to split hairs all day if it means that hating Poles, Jews, Muslims and Mexicans does not *technically* mean they are racist. Oh, and they hate black people too, but that's because of culture, not race. So that's fine!
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BarbarianElephant posted:Euro-fascists don't want foreigners of any sort. They have the superpower of being able to discriminate against other lily-white people, for instance Poles or Romanians or Irish travellers. Foreigners who look different are even worse, of course. Are you saying Christmas itself is racist or that there was a parade with some sort of racist imagery? computer parts posted:Oh no, that's perfectly acceptable in Europe. The thing is you can't let that happen to citizens. And the means to acquire citizenship is much more strict in Europe. But you guys (are you European? Just kind of assuming) are the ones with the hate speech laws. I think that's actually a really awesome concept. This is not Europe obviously but just the other day I read a story about the most stereotypical American evangelical pastor ever. Hated dem gays something fierce. He went to Botswana and tried to pull that poo poo and they very politely kicked his rear end right out of their country. Here in America, say whatever you want, no matter how hateful and ignorant. We have a entire presidential candidate built on that premise.
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mojo1701a posted:The only time you ever see Euro-fascists mention religion is when it comes as a rallying cry about a traditional identity being used, like when people say, "Since when is Muslim a race?" but you know full well they don't give a poo poo about Christian Arabs, either. NikkolasKing posted:Are you saying Christmas itself is racist or that there was a parade with some sort of racist imagery? 
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Who What Now posted:Oh no, someone said something not nice about white people. Truly this is the worst. Look I know this is hard to understand for you. But advocacy of discrimination against some while saying discrimination against others is bad tends to not win you any allies outside of internet echo chambers.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Disputing the definition of a racist is a sure-fire sign of a racist. Racists are happy to split hairs all day if it means that hating Poles, Jews, Muslims and Mexicans does not *technically* mean they are racist. Oh, and they hate black people too, but that's because of culture, not race. So that's fine! How can I possibly be racist, I work with a black person who I like telling people is my friend. Edit: A Buttery Pastry posted:Dutch (as in the country of the Netherlands, not Denmark) Christmas includes these characters: Hey, that's a part of their culture; it's a symbol of their heritage, not hatred. MizPiz fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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No you see it's "punching up" so it's always Cool and Good.
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MaxxBot posted:No you see it's "punching up" so it's always Cool and Good. Its almost like the people who advocate that are trying to get back at parents and lovely classmates from elementary school.
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MizPiz posted:Hey, that's a part of their culture; it's a symbol of their heritage, not hatred. Well yes since it's a reflection of the Middle Eastern / Roman origin of Christianity, where the often black / dark skinned Christian figures survived in folk lore as characters in passion plays etc. all over Europe, by no means only in the Netherlands. Except it's become very unfortunate in an age where people have broader horizons than their village, and can be expected to live among different people.
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Crowsbeak posted:Look I know this is hard to understand for you. But advocacy of discrimination against some while saying discrimination against others is bad tends to not win you any allies outside of internet echo chambers. "let me tell you how to communicate with people outside of internet echo chambers" says the man posting to another within an internet echo chamber
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steinrokkan posted:Well yes since it's a reflection of the Middle Eastern / Roman origin of Christianity, where the often black / dark skinned Christian figures survived in folk lore as characters in passion plays etc. all over Europe, by no means only in the Netherlands. Except it's become very unfortunate. I think that was a reference to  .
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