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Or have Glen/Shane as the angel/devil on his shoulders
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Oct 25, 2016 13:15
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I wonder if the hilltop has a well. And an Asian guy named Ben.
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Oct 25, 2016 13:17
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That'd actually be great if they met a community that was them in bizarro world
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Oct 25, 2016 13:24
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JacquelineDempsey posted:I think you may have hit the nail on this point. I'm in a rough place emotionally right now, and the only person standing by me is my bf of 13 years, who's about to be my husband. In addition, I haven't kept up with the comics, and try to live under a rock about spoilers, so both deaths were a shock to me (I even said at the beginning, "I'll bet it's Aaron, Glen's got +10 plot armor"; I had no idea whatsoever). I started crying when Abe got whacked, and loving lost it when Glen did, because their gf/wife was right there watching as it happened. Seeing their spouses cry was what pushed me over the edge. (also, poor Eugene, who was kinda Abe's bro-mance husband. Yep, this is it. People are not shocked about the gore. The gore has almost become laughable at this point. Seeing a loved one die in a brutal manner like that is hosed up. And some of us were projecting ourselves in their places. It's called empathy, fools. Some of you suckers need some love and companionship in your lives.
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Oct 25, 2016 14:25
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I think they're just not capable of articulating why they were upset, so they blamed the gore. Like they probably would've been fine if Negan just pulled Glenn into the RV and drove off and came back with a bloody bat, or if he was taken somewhere off in the woods and we just see him in the distance getting shot. I wasn't a crying, blubbering mess over it but yeah it was pretty hosed up seeing Glenn with his eye popped out and barely coherent right in front of the mother of his kid.
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Oct 25, 2016 14:33
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John F Bennett posted:Yep, this is it. People are not shocked about the gore. The gore has almost become laughable at this point. Seeing a loved one die in a brutal manner like that is hosed up. And some of us were projecting ourselves in their places. It's called empathy, fools. Oh nooooo a tee vee show made me feel something boo hoo
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Oct 25, 2016 14:32
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Many shows, movies and books make me feel something. Didn't say that was a bad thing. Of course I will keep watching. The point was that it wasn't about the gore. If you don't really uderstand that, well poo poo.
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Oct 25, 2016 14:39
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The comic's portrayal of this scene stuck with me more than the show for whatever reason. That being said, the people in here excitedly mocking others who have expressed discomfort at having watched someone's skull get graphically and gratuitously bashed in by a baseball bat wrapped in barbed war is the epitome of basement-dwelling neckbeardia. Anyway, bring on the society run by someone named Dane and his wife Tori who tell tearful stories about putting down his out of control friend Dick.
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Oct 25, 2016 14:42
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I've seen multiple people (not here to be fair) compare it to "watching an ISIS execution video". I mean, I can get the empathy thing - that's the point of the scene, to make you feel sad/mad/whatever, not really just to gross you out. Feeling discomfort is fine and expected, the only people really being mocked are the ~literally shaking~ types who are being just as over the top as the scene was.
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Oct 25, 2016 14:49
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The gore wasn't the problem. The lack of impact was. The deaths were borderline comical in execution. This was partially due to the retarded cliffhanger gimmick. We all knew someone was getting smashed so it was just a waiting game. No intensity or suspense
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Oct 25, 2016 14:55
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Glenn's eye kinda popping out is pretty tame for this show. We've had countless beheadings, disembowelings, intestines literally draped over characters, zombie kids, kids being eaten by zombies, kids talking with literal holes in their head, impalings, zombie pregnancies, people being turned into roadkill, and the occasional amputation. But no, a dented skull is a triggering bridge too far. 
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Oct 25, 2016 15:06
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I can't believe people are so offended by Rick and Negan kissing.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:10
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I want to sit some of those people down and make them watch The Devil's Rejects, particularly the middle stretch which is just one nihilistic and senselessly brutal death after another.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:10
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The real problem is there are so many main characters who are completely unlikable and have awkward stilted monologue conversations and a Lost-level of information sharing. Getting rid of one if the worst Mary Sue's on the show in Glenn, who's plot armor had made him completely uninteresting was a step in the right direction. Now we wait for Rick to snap out of his shook phase and Daryl to overpower the bad boys and save everyone again, since if anyone is safe on this show its those two.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:15
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yes, our heroes had taken on a murder-for-hire contract and Glenn stuck a knife in someone's heart while they slept and the Saviors body count from Rick's group was at least 40 by this point. but Negan should have understood that GLENN AND MAGGIE WERE IN LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE
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Oct 25, 2016 15:37
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Oct 25, 2016 15:52
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The Archaic posted:Nice to see the spoiler that AMC released a couple weeks ago was true, when they showed Rick's right side of his face with blood splatter, instantly confirming Abe's death. I thought this as well but Rick gets the blood splattered on his face when negan is swinging the bat around joyously after hitting Abe not during.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:58
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Season 2 caught poo poo because there was no good way to double the number of shows without changing the budget, which is what amc did iirc. That and they wrote Lori into easily hatable characters without meaning to. There are ways to deal with post apocalyptic scenarios without having a bigger badder eviler villain; it's basically a western but instead of Indians you have zombies.
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Oct 25, 2016 15:58
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The more reactions I read about this episode the more I understand why Chris Hardwick had to let everyone know that the actors are actually ok
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Oct 25, 2016 16:06
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Glenn's not dead
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Oct 25, 2016 16:33
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Oct 25, 2016 16:33
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UmOk posted:The gore wasn't the problem. The lack of impact was. The deaths were borderline comical in execution. This was partially due to the retarded cliffhanger gimmick. We all knew someone was getting smashed so it was just a waiting game. No intensity or suspense yeah I wish the last 2 episodes were combined into a 2 hour finale, then started the new season at the scene where Maggie starts to get up and they take Abe and Glenn's bodies away. There was enough cliffhanger time in between the opening scene of the new episode and the point during Rick's flashbacks to get you worked up enough to worry about who dies, and it would've had more of an impact in the moment. TWD/AMC could have saved themselves the spoilers they were so worried about getting out too.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:34
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If they had done that there wouldn't have been nearly as much anticipation for the new season. I'm sure it was a very calculated decision based on what they think would get them the most viewers. TV shows are about making money first and entertaining second. It would have been more satisfying though, I agree.
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Oct 25, 2016 16:47
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A better show wouldn't have dragged this out over two seasons starting with testing the waters with the dumpster fakeout and culminating in 20 minutes of B roll of everyone until the reveal and then dragged out the actual murder scene for maximum brutality and shock value Oberyn getting brutally owned was shocking as gently caress but they didn't have him going around shaking hands in the crowd after he'd been zika'd
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Oct 25, 2016 16:55
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Glenn's not dead Glenn swapped places while under the dumpster with his perfect twin, some random guy who was just hiding out under there. Then they went their separate ways, Glenn's twin was told Glenn's whole backstory and he went back to Alexandria and was later killed by Negan. When Glenn's twin tells Maggie he'll meet up with her later, he means the real Glenn who's still alive. He'll ride up to Negan on the back of a tiger and kill him with a broadsword. Then he'll get shot in the chest by one of Negan's men, and left for dead. Then the show is cancelled.
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Oct 25, 2016 17:07
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The wolves should have come out of the woods and get mowed down by Negan's baddies immediately to further prove that Negan's guys are Cool and Good and the Rick Gang are the terrorists
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Oct 25, 2016 17:13
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Durzel posted:Doesn't this cut to the heart of the problem with shows like this? If you are meant to buy into the narrative, for it to be realistic and conceivable, then it's only logical that it would reflect the fact that if it were to happen in the real world then everyone would pretty much be at the mercy of the next big fish to come along - with no exceptions. With no law and order Ricks group would prey on a weaker group, and would themselves be preyed upon by a stronger group, who would be preyed upon by another stronger group. It would literally be survival of the fittest. I'm not against killing off characters, but at the same time if their answer is to just kill another character in service of the exact same plot they had 4 years ago, then it's dumb. Enough with the roving gangs of men robbing and killing, it's getting boring. I'd rather see the show go in a way that explored picking up the pieces and trying to rebuild, with less frequent bouts of Mad-Maxian gunfights. Not saying you can't have roaming gangs of outlaws, but even just showing that there are separate groups of people willing to work together to achieve something would go a long way towards making the show a little more optimistic or at least that it's not just rehashing the same plots over and over. How about instead of them having to fight another ruthless biker gang run by a psychopath they, i don't know, had to go negotiate some inter-colony trade deals and made the drama not so much about the threat of brutal murdering biker gangs and more about like searching for other colonies to trade with and gaining their trust. How about instead of introducing yet another warlord, they need to trade supplies to two different colonies but only have the resources to satisfy one of them and the politics or economics involved with pissing off one colony or the other. Something a little more cerebral than just "bad guy with a baseball bat shaking us down". My other big complaint with a lot of the ongoing narrative is they assume that all humans are just waiting to become bloodthirsty savages roaming the countryside and pillaging. I feel like while there are certainly some who would go ahead and embrace that lifestyle, the vast majority of people wouldn't. But we're never exposed to other groups of non-barbaric people, and when we are it's usually a trap. Also they make a lot of presumptions that all the scientists and engineers and smart people all died long ago since anyone smart is portrayed as a huge pussy in the show. Like, are there no electrical engineers or anything left that could help them to get lines of communication up between colonies? Are there any scientists left who are still trying to figure out how to cure the drat disease?
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Johnny Truant posted:Except everywhere I've looked everyone is complaining specifically about the gore, so... not really? You weren't looking hard enough. quote:It’s not a matter of the level of violence; that in itself doesn’t bother me. It’s almost never the kind of violence or relative explicitness that turns me against a movie or a television series. It’s always about the worldview of the people presenting it. That’s what’s offensive to me — not the gore, but the sensibility behind it. quote:And it turned outright problematic last season when the show seemed to eschew true character or narrative developments in lieu of tawdry manipulation. Whether it was faking Glenn’s death, dropping Polaroids of bashed-in heads into shots to tease comics fans, or the seemingly endless almost-reveals of new bad guy Negan, The Walking Dead seemed more about hyping itself than about telling a story. It's not just the violence, it's the tedium and misery. Also the terrible writing, direction etc. I have no problem with them killing Glenn off, but they executed poorly. It's not even the gore for me, it's everything around it and the structure of the episode. It was clearly meant to be emotionally manipulative, but they tried too hard and it came off as gratuitous. Seriously the reviews haven't been this bad since the season finale. But people keep watching so the show will keep being terrible. You can say, what do you expect it's zombies! But I don't remember Shaun of the Dead, Z-Nation or the OG Dawn of the Dead being so wanton and purposefully manipulative on such a base level for the sake of it. Z-Nation can be gross/gorey but it knows it's a b-movie level show and presents itself like that. Same with Ash VS the Evil dead which has like 10x the gore, but it stays in it's lane. Walking Dead wants to be a serious drama and a gorefest but it's doing neither in a genuine, engaging way.
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To add to that, there's a huge contingent of fans who aren't in it for the zombie-gore. My wife doesn't care for gore but she liked TWD because the characters were compelling and the interpersonal drama was interesting. As of last season she began to get pessimistic about the show, and now she's done with it. While people here can say "hey you got what you signed up for, its a zombie horror show!!!", no, that's really not the case. They've created a show that transcended the genre of campy zombie films and made something with real characters and real emotion. That's why it became the number 1 show on tv, not because of the makeup and the gore, but because the characters and their story arc was compelling to a wider audience than just horror movie connoisseurs. So yes they do need to be a little more thoughtful when they decide how they're going to present the show because their fans aren't all just looking for blood and guts gag reels. The visuals of how Glenn died weren't the issue, but rather how they presented it so quickly and disdainfully for a character that's been around since episode 1. Not saying it had to be literally "a hero's death", but it's lovely as a storyteller to have a bad guy turn all of a sudden to him and bludgeon him to death unexpectedly. Like, you expect more of a send-off than that.
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I am as addicted to this show as anyone but uh, you just can't argue that it is good come on sometimes it's OK to like bad things, speaking as the fool willing to sit through hours of boredom just to see Rick and crew waste some fools DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 17:42
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Talking Dead is the funniest poo poo.
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Oct 25, 2016 17:50
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What did you want, a tearful montage of Glenn's accomplishments before Negan respectfully executes him? Glenn's status as a main character shouldn't warrant him a "noble" death or whatever, at least in the beginning the point of the show before Glenn/Rick/Carl/Carol et al's bullshit plot armor became such a thing was that people die and it's usually not heroically, it's randomly and quickly. Really if they hadn't killed Glenn it would be even more insulting to the fans. Glenn has died at least twice in my book prior to his bludgeoning.
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Oct 25, 2016 17:50
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Negan leaving it up to a chance game of eeny-meeny-miney-moe created 11 different timelines, each continuing onwards with him having beaten a different cast member to death. Every episode this season will start with this same scene in the woods with the next 40 minutes or so exploring how the zombie apocalypse would be without that particular person. That thanksgiving scene was probably a preview from the "Aaron dies" episode, because there was applesauce on the table.
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Negan is the savior. Ricks group murdered his people in their sleep and Negan forgave them and let most of them live. How do you think Rick would react if the saviors snuck in to alexandria and did the same thing? He would execute them all. Negan teaches forgiveness and penance. He is the light of the new world. He is the savior. We are Negan.
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King Vidiot posted:Glenn swapped places while under the dumpster with his perfect twin, some random guy who was just hiding out under there. Then they went their separate ways, Glenn's twin was told Glenn's whole backstory and he went back to Alexandria and was later killed by Negan. When Glenn's twin tells Maggie he'll meet up with her later, he means the real Glenn who's still alive. What a beautiful Prestige, I'm floored
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Hardawn posted:What a beautiful Prestige, I'm floored Wait, I forgot to mention that embossed into the surface of the sword is your card, the 3 of Diamonds.
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YA BOY ETHAN COUCH posted:To add to that, there's a huge contingent of fans who aren't in it for the zombie-gore. My wife doesn't care for gore but she liked TWD because the characters were compelling and the interpersonal drama was interesting. As of last season she began to get pessimistic about the show, and now she's done with it. While people here can say "hey you got what you signed up for, its a zombie horror show!!!", no, that's really not the case. They've created a show that transcended the genre of campy zombie films and made something with real characters and real emotion. That's why it became the number 1 show on tv, not because of the makeup and the gore, but because the characters and their story arc was compelling to a wider audience than just horror movie connoisseurs. Then we bring in Negan, who's big stunt is that he's going to kill somebody. Okay, that sounds like it will be a good storyline. I'm already excited to see when it happens, how it happens, the journey more important than the destination and all that. Except it's dragged out over an hour and a half, with nothing of significance until the end, and to add insult to injury, it's wussed out in a lovely cliffhanger that lasts six months. All the suspense and excitement has been robbed from the story because the one thing keeping you coming back to watch is a guessing game, not that somebody is going to get it, because we know it's going to happen, we just saw it loving happen, just censored, if that makes any sense. Imagine if AMC made a big deal out of Hershel and Michonne being captured by Governor and dragged out a long rear end guessing game cliffhanger to see who was going to get beheaded. poo poo wouldn't fly one bit. And it's not even a good execution scene. Abraham is defiant as usual because he's a tough military man, Glenn cries out to his wife because he loves her, and Rick still refuses to bend because that's what main characters do against villains until Negan starts threatening all of them with death unless Carl loses an arm, and that's what breaks Rick. Wouldn't it be more realistic for Carl, after everything he's been through, to go even crazier than his father and dare the fucker to do his worst? Wouldn't Rick be even more compelled to just tell him to get it over with already if only for his son, because at that point it's a goddamn mercy kill? If you want good storytelling and not just characters being sad because AMC says this is a sad scene, then that would be a start. Even when the Governor and Merle failed to break Glenn and Maggie individually, they were still able to get the location of the prison when threatening to kill one of them in front of each other, and then slated them for execution anyway. Negan makes a big act about taking Rick's group hostage and is bluntly aggressive, killing two and taking Daryl hostage, then lets them go back to loving Alexandria with their weapons and safety, and for some reason thinks he won't have any problems whatsoever. As a new character just introduced in a show seven seasons in, the one thing that makes him supposed to be the worst of the worst, is that he's a big bad man with a baseball bat fetish, and instead it makes him look like a lovely WWE villain. Shitenshi fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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