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Fyi guys, there are 40+ candidates who will try to get their 500 mayors signatures to qualify as candidate for the charge of president of the French republic and who can possibly get those signatures. There are like 30 more that probably won’t get those signatures and won’t be able to participate but who know, maybe some will manage to get the signature and it's a list of even more (and in a few casesn, less) crazy people. Here is the start of a full list of would-be potential and mostly declared candidates. Some campaign videos of this year selection will probably pop up in this thread if they reach the level of insane of the party of the natural law. I won’t do the 40 candidate in one post because gently caress you  . So let’s start with the far left and do Mélenchon (and the left party nonsense candidacy bullshit)and the PS super large list of candidate next time.Format “Party: Candidate:” From the far left to the far right, some relative positions between a few candidate may be highly debatable. I still don’t know where to put Cheminade, nor do I care so let’s start with him. Solidarité et progrès (Solidarity and -wait why I am translating this poo poo, all you need to know is they are affiliated to the Lyndon Larouche party): Jacques Cheminade  He ran in 1995 but no one remember him (or his legal problems: Affaire Pazéry and Affaire Mylène Farmer). Program? PROGRAM? Whatever is on infowars/rt/your favorite conspiracy show basically. Far left, far right, more like “so far out of the spectrum”? Here is a video of his program (probably, I don’t know, jesus , like I care about black helicopters, Vladimir Vernadski and the bilderberg group): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxi7JRJrod4 Yeah, old men are the future, it sounds spot on. I can't certify the validity on any of my claims on Cheminade beside the Larouche thing and the affairs he was sentenced for (and he got lucky enough to end up in a mass legal grace thing to be candidate again) because even he probably can't (or rather won't) remember either. Lutte Ouvrière (Worker's Struggle): Nathalie Arthaud  A "communist candidate" because she is originally from the actual communist party and LO is a Trotskyist party, sometime accused of being a sectarian pit of vipers by fellow leftists if not worse(the accusations of illegal financing of the party ended in court, FO won and kept suing anyone bringing it up), their leader(the mysterious 89 year old Robert "Hardy" Barcia)'s invisibility doesn't help, i guess the communist ww2 resistance teaches you discretion but some doubt he is still the leader or anything but the party's Junior Soprano. Mostly present themselves as alter-globalization those days, still member party of the Internationalist Communist Union. Founded in 1936, claims 8000 members. No seats last time i checked, not even in regional parliaments. Arthaud did 0.56% in 2012, the party all time worst score ever. Generally not the most visible candidate in the media, if you aren't into far left politics. For references, Lutte Ouvriere's previous candidate, Arlette Laguiller (record-woman holder in the "most presidential elections ran" category) was far more popular with her worst score being 1,33% in 2007, and her best scores being 5,72% in 2002 and 5.3% in 1995, from a start at 2.33% in 1974. I won't certify the validity on any of my claims on LO because they will sue me like they did with people far more richer than me, camarades. Or won't because who cares. NPA: Nouveau Parti anticapitaliste (New anticapiltalist Party): Philippe Poutou  Did 1.15% in 2012. Former Lutte Ouvriere member, Poutou decided to start his own party with a few friends in 1995 after Arlette Laguiller managed to pass the "your party did 5%"' legal limit after which a party is considered not a joke anymore and your campaign spending is reimbursed by the state (after some maximum spending checks some small sized candidate manages to fail). Yes you read it right, Lutte Ouvriere went into full drama mode because they managed to pass 5% of the vote and got more money, far more than they normally expected out of a presidential run and it created a split party which is currently doing "better" (relatively, it’s more like worse for both). Poutou is actually syndicalist at some Ford factory. Got some minor media coverage recently because he DARED to criticize the poor poor (totally not) poor Kim Kardasian after her 6 millions jewelry theft, on the capitalist viper nest called Twitter of all place. He had to delete his tweet to stop the deluge of Kardasian's fans who wouldn't care enough about his insightful and apropos political commentaries on her wealth and the attention she is receiving, except, you know, when it came to tell him to gently caress off. Sadly it's basically the only notable thing that happened to him, you could have heard of in the mainstream media recently (like if you are an information junky in search for stupid factoids). The party claims 2100 members, owns 2 seats in the Regional Councils (out of 2000+ regional seats nationwide), that's like twice the Occitan Party's number of regional seat and 2 more than LO, congrats. Next time Le Front de Gauche (Schroedinger's Party) and Le parti socialiste and maybe the PRG. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You could've just written proper social democrats, because Nordic social democrats are milquetoast third way social democrats too. Nordic, or Finnish anyway, social democrats are milquetoast by design. When in power they move to the right and when in opposition to the left.
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doverhog posted:Nordic, or Finnish anyway, social democrats are milquetoast by design. When in power they move to the right and when in opposition to the left. Given that socialist Skkkandinavia is heaven on earth anyway, the ideal political system is one where nothing changes in the long term.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:Given that socialist Skkkandinavia is heaven on earth anyway, the ideal political system is one where nothing changes in the long term. Tell that to our welfare and pension systems which get worse by literally every year. Also, our housing shortage which is a direct consequence of decreased state involvement.
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MiddleOne posted:Tell that to our welfare and pension systems which get worse by literally every year. Also, our housing shortage which is a direct consequence of decreased state involvement. Clearly, things have been changing too much.
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MiddleOne posted:Also, our housing shortage which is a direct consequence of decreased state involvement.
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Collateral Damage posted:Eh, not entirely. A lot of the housing problem is because of stupid rules and requiring a million different referral bodies to weigh in before you can build anything. Remind me of what we did the last time we lacked 1 million residential opportunities because of a private market failure. 
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Collateral Damage posted:Eh, not entirely. A lot of the housing problem is because of stupid rules and requiring a million different referral bodies to weigh in before you can build anything. That is absolutely not the reason for the housing problem, at least in Finland.
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Andrast posted:That is absolutely not the reason for the housing problem, at least in Finland.
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Are you talking about zoning? It's a bit different than "getting permits".
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doverhog posted:Are you talking about zoning? It's a bit different than "getting permits". Regulation is the fault of all private-market failures, haven't you heard? Seriously though, it's a combination of market force failures and municipal political involvement. Even in my home municipality which has been red for decades one conservative municipal housing company chairman was all it took to put us hundreds of apartments behind despite both the municipality and the company itself having the money to build to meet demand. Housing is too politically sensitive not to be run at the state level and it is way too varied to rely on the private market catering too demand. Right now Stockholm is building condos like never before, but they're all too small for actual families since 2-room condos is the most profitable thing to build. Furthermore, they're also only being built in a few of the municipalities as the rest are being blocked by local politicians who prefer houses as poor people can't move into those. As for rental property, state subsidies all favor condo's so rental is barely getting built at all and the ones that we have left since the 80's are getting renovated and transformed into condo's at lightspeed. All hail gentrification. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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Bad news from Austria. Today we elect a new president and for the first time since the days of Austro-fascism we might get an ultra-conservative, German-nationalist again. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/world/europe/austria-far-right-hofer-presidency.html?_r=0 http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/12/economist-explains-0?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/02/tyrolian-villages-divided-as-austria-goes-back-to-the-polls
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Yeah, between the Austrian presidential election re-run and the Italian constitutional referendum, today is going to be an interestingTM day in European democracy - by the end of the day we could see the Italian government fall and Austria with a hard right head of state. Good times!
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The FPO is a nationalist social democratic law & order party. All the various complaints are a joke.
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Riso posted:The FPO is a nationalist social democratic law & order party. All the various complaints are a joke. Sure  They are such a joke that it actually became permissible - by court order - to contend that the party leader, HC Strache, has a "proximity to national-socialist ideas".
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Riso posted:The FPO is a nationalist social democratic law & order party. All the various complaints are a joke. Also led by a crazy fucker who writes books that make chemtrail conspiracy nuts look sane.
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blowfish posted:Also led by a crazy fucker who writes books that make chemtrail conspiracy nuts look sane. What?
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Riso posted:The FPO is a nationalist social democratic law & order party. All the various complaints are a joke. So you'd say that, in a certain sense, they're national socialists, then, perhaps?
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YF-23 posted:So you'd say that, in a certain sense, they're national socialists, then, perhaps? No because that would imply they are attacking the democratic institutions.
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Riso posted:No because that would imply they are attacking the democratic institutions. You mean when a proto-fascist organization like "Die Identitären", with deep connections to the FPÖ, occupies the roof of another party's office, then it's not an attack on democratic institutions ? 
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Hammerstein posted:You mean when a proto-fascist organization like "Die Identitären", with deep connections to the FPÖ, occupies the roof of another party's office, then it's not an attack on democratic institutions ? That was an amusing action but no. The party and the org have ideological overlap but neither wants to abolish the political system. I can play guilt by association as well using the anti-democratic antifa and left parties. It's actually even better because parliamentary green politicians were actually marching in and ahead of antifa demos.
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Riso posted:That was an amusing action but no. You think it's amusing, when proto-fascists occupy the offices of a democratic party and unroll islamophobic transparents ? Do you expect them to shout "Let's burn down the parliament" ? That the founders of this movement were politically indoctrinated by the likes of Gottfried Küssel, a convicted Holocaust denier and Neonazi, is already bad enough. If they ever held political power, we would get the civil war that Strache desires. Another difference is that radical leftist organizations usually don't hold meetings with the party leaders of their political spectrum. 
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As far as I know the origin of the movement is french and all you can accuse them of is loving their country and wanting to protect its customs and people. It does not look like want to deny you the right of freedom of speech, assembly or elections so these accusations of fascism are as always complete hyperbole without basis in reality. quote:You think it's amusing, when proto-fascists occupy the offices of a democratic party and unroll islamophobic transparents ? They didn't occupy anything; they went up on the roof and unfolded a banner while nobody knew what was going on. I do find that amusing, yes. Leftists do that kind of stuff all the time, the difference is you agree with the message.
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Riso posted:and all you can accuse them of is loving their country and wanting to protect its customs and people. The proud tradition of vandalising the offices of your political opponents? Tell me more about the threats they need to protect their countries from. 
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Riso posted:What? Before running in this election, Hofer wrote conspiracy theory books and oh boy is the man nuts.
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Riso posted:As far as I know the origin of the movement is french and all you can accuse them of is loving their country and wanting to protect its customs and people. The French version does not have the who-is-who of the local neonazi scene among their ranks and I think that's a pretty big difference. I also don't remember any Leftists climbing on the roof of the FPÖ offices or intimidating fugitives during a theater play. Look, just say "I'm down with the Austrian Nazis". Cause then we can leave it at that and you don't have to come up with constant apologetics.
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doing mild subservise things to promote women, workers and refugee rights is really not the same thing as doing it to stomp afghanis in the face
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Riso posted:As far as I know the origin of the movement is french and all you can accuse them of is loving their country and wanting to protect its customs and people. maybe it's bad if leftists do it, so of course it's much better if the literal nutjob party do it by the way, choice conspiracy theory quotes from hofer's lovely book (it also has the usual neonazi verbiage about the purity of the austrian volk and women needing to go back to the kitchen and make him Hofer on chemtrails posted:betreffend Freisetzung von Chemikalien in der Atmosphäre zur Beeinflussung des Klimas. Hofer on corporate American chemtrails specifically posted:“Es gibt sowohl in den USA als auch in Europa Beobachtungen, denen zu Folge sowohl durch zivile als auch durch militärische Flugzeuge bereits derartige Chemikalien in der Atmosphäre freigesetzt wurden. Die dadurch sichtbaren Chemiestreifen, die ähnlich aussehen, wie gewöhnliche Kondensstreifen, werden auch als „Chemtrails” bezeichnet. Sollte dies tatsächlich der Fall sein, ist das in höchstem Maße alarmierend, da die Freisetzung dieser Chemikalien nicht abschätzbare Folgen auf die Gesundheit von Menschen und Tieren haben kann. Außerdem könnten so letztlich finanzstarke Staaten – wie vor allem die USA – und Großkonzerne das Klima beeinflussen und zu ihren Zwecken zum Nachteil der Weltbevölkerung gezielt verändern.” Hofer on weather control energy waves posted:“Weiters besteht die Möglichkeit, mit ionisiertem Bariumsalz und Aluminiumpulver ein diffuses elektrisches Feld zu erzeugen und mit energiestarken niedrigen Frequenzen unmittelbar das Wetter zu beeinflussen – z.B. durch Erzeugung von Stürmen.” Hofer on water life memory energy fields or something posted:“Es ist heute belegt, daß Wasser Informationen speichert und weitergibt. (…) Wer sein Glas Wasser mit der Erwartung füllt, mit jedem Schluck ein Stück Gesundheit zu trinken, wird das Wasser entsprechend beeinflussen. Wer Wasser achtlos oder gar mit ungünstigen Gedanken zu sich nimmt, wird ein entsprechendes Ergebnis zu erwarten haben. Die reichhaltigen Forschungen des Japaners Masaru Emoto und anderer lassen diese Empfangs- und Merkfähigkeit des Wassers über manchen Verdacht der Skeptiker erhaben sein.” Hofer on how water is a horoscope, also music posted:Das Gedächtnis des Wassers konnte zunächst mittels naturgegebener Einflüsse nachgewiesen werden. Die von Sonne, Mond und kosmischer Strahlung verursachten Schwingungen beeinflussen die Struktur seiner Kristalle, werden also vom Wasser registriert. Ein ähnlicher Vorgang ist zu beobachten, wenn Proben desselben Wassers mit unterschiedlichen Musikstücken beschallt werden. Jedes Stück ruft die Formung spezifischer, von den Vergleichsproben deutlich unterscheidbaren, Kristallstrukturen hervor.”
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/805445655539892224 Well, that's not very 2016 now is it?
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/805445655539892224 You just wait until they vote another time because they screwed something up
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GaussianCopula posted:You just wait until they vote another time because they screwed something up How about the court ordered a repeat but they updated the voting registry which makes it not a repeat after all.
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Riso posted:How about the court ordered a repeat but they updated the voting registry which makes it not a repeat after all. 
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MiddleOne posted:I'm holding my breath for a Trump tweet. Only losers admit defeat! Hofer needs to demand a recount -- strongly! What a poor choice by Austrian dummies! Sad!
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Fabulous Knight posted:Only losers admit defeat! Hofer needs to demand a recount -- strongly! What a poor choice by Austrian dummies! Sad! For an authentic Donald it has to be just "Sad" with no exclamation or punctuation. Sad
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I like how having a green, lefty Professor as our president, is a giant middle-finger to Trump.
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