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Cythereal posted:Watch episodes 1-4 of Daredevil season 2 if you want to know how Netflix is handling Frank. Those first four episodes are focused on Daredevil vs Punisher, and nothing that happens to Frank in the rest of the series is very important. Oh I've seen that and enjoyed it. I always just kind of assumed that when Punisher showed up in other people's series he was (correctly) used as a villain, whereas in his own series they glorify him and his methods a little more.
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"I always want to preserve the essence of Frank, and have the right and be bold enough to really turn my back on the audience, and not do things to win the audience's favor, but rather stay true to the character and the essence of who he is. I think Frank is brutal. Frank is damaged. Frank is tortured. I think Frank, when he engages in violence, there's something utterly satisfying and addictive for him to be doing that, and that may not be something that the audience can agree with or get behind. But I've always fought to preserve that, and I think that that's a part of him. I think the pain and what's behind the violence and the reason why he's committing the violence, that's a different story. I want to explore that, too. So I think that's the real challenge: being bold enough to not make him too heroic, at least 'heroic,' is important to me. That being said, I think there's Frank Castle inside of everybody. I think being a father and being a husband, he's a character that I deeply empathize with." Hopefully this won't inspire more cops to put Punisher logos on the back of their personal pick up trucks.
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Cythereal posted:nothing that happens to Frank in the rest of the series is very important. Not true, Frank Castle: Relationship Guru happens later doesn't it?
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howe_sam posted:Not true, Frank Castle: Relationship Guru happens later doesn't it? Nothing really comes of it so I don't consider that significant. It's just another beat in the tepid Matt/Karen romance.
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zoux posted:Hopefully this won't inspire more cops to put Punisher logos on the back of their personal pick up trucks. Seriously. I keep seeing the one with the thin blue line and wondering "what message are you trying to get across?" A co-worker's husband is "obsessed" with Batman and puts his emblem on everything... including his hand guns.
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Aug 22, 2017 18:27
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Lot of the Punisher stuff in the back half of Daredevil season 2 is a bit of a show within a show - Daredevil's off dealing with Elektra and the Hand and doesn't have a whole lot to do with Frank. It's Karen gets tangled up in Frank's stuff for the most part.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Seriously. I keep seeing the one with the thin blue line and wondering "what message are you trying to get across?" Ah that famous lover of guns and bullets, Batman.
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Aug 22, 2017 18:48
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Well, yes, if you're going by the Burton and Snyder versions. 
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SonicRulez posted:Man, I really did not like Charlie. I have no problem with Felicia Day, but that character got Felicity on Arrow levels of shilling whenever she was around. Nothing will make me hate a character more than when their character is "Everyone thinks they're perfect." I hated Riley, I hated Felicity, and thus I hated Charlie. I feel like this is the only character she plays. Everything I've seen her in has like all the other characters coming to a screeching halt to bring up just how much they love her constantly as soon as she shows up. I don't get it at all. Sgt. Politeness posted:Seriously. I keep seeing the one with the thin blue line and wondering "what message are you trying to get across?" There's a dude at my job with punisher logos on like...everything. And lots of those blue cop flags around too. I don't get this, either.
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zoux posted:Ah that famous lover of guns and bullets, Batman. as long as they're rubber bullets honest
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Light Gun Man posted:I feel like this is the only character she plays. Everything I've seen her in has like all the other characters coming to a screeching halt to bring up just how much they love her constantly as soon as she shows up. I don't get it at all. I imagine if you're a cop you deal with some people you believe are scum and guilty but through whatever failure in the system they get put back out there and that makes you wonder if you should take the law into your own hands. The problem of course is that the people you think are scum and guilty tend to be a certain type more often than others. Oh and also summary justice is bad.
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zoux posted:I imagine if you're a cop you deal with some people you believe are scum and guilty but through whatever failure in the system they get put back out there and that makes you wonder if you should take the law into your own hands. The problem of course is that the people you think are scum and guilty tend to be a certain type more often than others. Oh and also summary justice is bad. I get that part, to some degree, sure. I don't get tooling around in a punisher-logo-emblazoned golf cart while wearing a punisher-logo-emblazoned tanktop all weekend.
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Light Gun Man posted:I get that part, to some degree, sure. I don't get tooling around in a punisher-logo-emblazoned golf cart while wearing a punisher-logo-emblazoned tanktop all weekend. Well there's also this thing about toxic masculinity
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I always felt that Chris Kyle, who wore the Punisher skull, embodied the scary worship of Castle many people have. His story in his book about sitting on the Superdome shooting "looters" (read black people) feels very much like an imagined Punisher thing to do.
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Aug 22, 2017 22:50
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You idiots, you've captured their stunt doubles! From https://www.instagram.com/p/BX9F8EoD3VO/
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I'm finally starting these Netflix MCU shows. I mostly just appreciate Daredevil right now for not feeling like it has to make jokes every five seconds like the movies do.
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Samuringa posted:You idiots, you've captured their stunt doubles! Iron Fist appears to be Callum Keith Rennie.
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I see nick Kroll as Scott Glen and I don't know why
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Aug 23, 2017 02:26
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I do appreciate Jessicca, Mattt and Luuke staying in character there.
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Looking at that picture I only just realize how baggy all the Defenders' clothes are. Aside from Luke Cage, at least.
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Gaz-L posted:I do appreciate Jessicca, Mattt and Luuke staying in character there. I get this reference and I hate you for it
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Aug 23, 2017 03:47
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So is that the guy that does all of DDs spinny kick bullshit
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Kind of surprised they needed a Luke Cage stunt double.
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bunnyofdoom posted:I get this reference and I hate you for it The hand was digging for ysalamiri bones the whole time!
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omg chael crash posted:The hand was digging for ysalamiri bones the whole time! I hate you even worse
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It actually wasn't deliberate! I was trying to make a joke about them being knock-offs!
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I finished episode 8 of DD S1 last night and this is one of probably my favorite adaptation of the Kingpin yet.
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One thing I like about DD and the dynamic with Kingpin is that they really are very similar. While I groaned at "we're not so different you and I" in Defenders, it's true (and unsaid) of DD and Kingpin in season 1. Both have fraught relationships with their fathers that totally dominate them as adults, they genuinely love and are trying to help the city and the only real difference is that there's a line that Matt doesn't cross and Fisk does. "Why must heroes be morally pure" is done to death in comics media, but I feel like DD1 is one of the better explanations of it. I don't know if you've gotten to the priest's fountain metaphor yet, but when you compare the two characters side by side, they have the same goals, but because Fisk has been corrupted by his use of deadly violence, it corrupts everything he does. You're also right, D'Onofrio as Kingpin is by far the most interesting re-imagining of a character they've done, maybe in the whole MCU. e: oh hey some promising news: https://twitter.com/ComicBookNOW/status/900424342432919552 quote:“Now, just gonna let you know, moving into Season Two of Iron Fist, I’m actually starting my training next week,” Jones revealed to Inverse. “We’re at least four or five months away from shooting, so this time around, I’m being given a lot more preparation leading up to Season Two, which I think is really gonna have a huge improvement on the quality of the fight scenes in Season Two of Iron Fist.” zoux fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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zoux posted:One thing I like about DD and the dynamic with Kingpin is that they really are very similar. While I groaned at "we're not so different you and I" in Defenders, it's true (and unsaid) of DD and Kingpin in season 1. Both have fraught relationships with their fathers that totally dominate them as adults, they genuinely love and are trying to help the city and the only real difference is that there's a line that Matt doesn't cross and Fisk does. "Why must heroes be morally pure" is done to death in comics media, but I feel like DD1 is one of the better explanations of it. I don't know if you've gotten to the priest's fountain metaphor yet, but when you compare the two characters side by side, they have the same goals, but because Fisk has been corrupted by his use of deadly violence, it corrupts everything he does. I think Fisk and Murdock start out similar but I think Fisk gets swallowed in by his demons the further we get into season 1. I'd say by the time we see him in season 2, he's pretty drat close to just being pure evil and that he'd burn New York to the ground if it benefited him.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think Fisk and Murdock start out similar but I think Fisk gets swallowed in by his demons the further we get into season 1. I'd say by the time we see him in season 2, he's pretty drat close to just being pure evil and that he'd burn New York to the ground if it benefited him. He admits it himself on the last ep of S1 that he's gone with no way back.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think Fisk and Murdock start out similar but I think Fisk gets swallowed in by his demons the further we get into season 1. I'd say by the time we see him in season 2, he's pretty drat close to just being pure evil and that he'd burn New York to the ground if it benefited him. I'd include that in "corruption". It's like, they both started out from a place of immense power and with laudable goals, but because Fisk is willing to kill, he finds himself on the road to villainy. I think the implication is that under the show's system of morality, if Matt started killing even really, really bad people, he'd find himself on the same road and with the same end. The "no kill" question is interesting to me because I think that most people irl believe that there are some circumstances under which it's ok to take another life, and probably some situations in which people could even see themselves killing a person. Kind of the lesson behind it is that if people get powers, or power, because of these corner cases where we say "OK, in this specific situation it's alright to bend my rule", they end up compromising themselves more and more. Obviously the reason that there are more villains than heroes in comics is because every hero has a rogues gallery, but you could make a reasonable in-universe explanation for that disparity by saying that the vast majority of people who invent a super-weapon or get superpowers end up as villains because that's the natural path of power corrupting. It's only very special people with strong committed morals who are able to avoid that path, and DD season 1 explores that concept as well as I've seen, certainly on the screen. It gets even more explicit in s2 where you have Matt facing off against his dark mirror in Punisher.
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Whoa Daredevil Season 3 is adapting Born Again aka the one where Kingpin gaslights Matt into insanity. Also the one where Karen Page becomes a heroin-addicted prostitute, but they'll probably leave that out. Also: reminder that the Tick is out on Friday, and I'm hearing good things.
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Isn't that kinda obvious from how Defenders ended? Literally ends with Matt in a hospital bed, and then one of the Nuns calls for Matt mom's name Maggie
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zoux posted:Whoa Daredevil Season 3 is adapting Born Again aka the one where Kingpin gaslights Matt into insanity. Also the one where Karen Page becomes a heroin-addicted prostitute, but they'll probably leave that out. Not excited for the potential of more bland and dumb Matt/Karen garbage but I don't think they have it in them to avoid it.
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HIJK posted:Not excited for the potential of more bland and dumb Matt/Karen garbage but I don't think they have it in them to avoid it. Marvel Studios stuff likes to borrow the occasional iconic scene (Daredevil and Punisher on the roof for instance), but they rarely follow the same plot beats of what they're adapting that closely.
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A LOT of people seem to have made the leap to assuming the door in the Defenders was guarding a portal to K'un L'un. Which would've been actually much better and more sensible than what we got. And you can't even argue they're avoiding the fantasy poo poo, because dragon corpse is just as whackadoo.
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Gaz-L posted:A LOT of people seem to have made the leap to assuming the door in the Defenders was guarding a portal to K'un L'un. And because they don't have the budget for it.
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The Kingpin is phenomenal. I actually really liked Cottonmouth from Luke Cage as well. There's something about villains who are actually trying to accomplish something good. Fisk really does want to help Hell's Kitchen. He just wants to do it through bullying and/or killing everyone who even mildly irritates him. Infinite thumbs down to anything Karen related. I prefer Elektra.
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https://twitter.com/TVLine/status/900492911250374656 She is adorable, I'm stoked.
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