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crispix posted:I lived in Edinburgh from 2010 for ~5 years and during that time the number of people sleeping rough just exploded. The number was already shocking to me when I moved there because it wasn't something I was used to seeing in Belfast (although it's now commonplace here as well but that's a different story). City of Edinburgh council and the police worked together to basically torment homeless people to try to get them to gently caress off to anywhere else and stop ruining the look of the city for tourists. From what I saw of and heard about the homeless shelters around the city centre, it was pretty loving obvious why people didn't want to go there. I just can't believe I'm watching a video of a British citizen being restrained by the police while the council literally steal his stuff and take it off to be destroyed. Maybe I'm sheltered but I didn't realise it had got this bad - being homeless is meant to be one of the worst things that can happen to you, but this shows you can make it much worse with a bit of effort.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:05
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Sanford posted:I just can't believe I'm watching a video of a British citizen being restrained by the police while the council literally steal his stuff and take it off to be destroyed. Yeah I replied because I saw this happen in Edinburgh city centre several times. I once saw the police arresting a bloke who had apparently tried to intervene. Pure scum. I think getting the public on board with this tactic is one of the motivations behind the ad campaigns to stop people giving money to the homeless. Pretty  when I think about what I just loving typed. Ad campaigns to stop people giving money to the homeless. This is what it has come till. crispix fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Apr 4, 2019 |
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On a more positive note John Crace's sketch for yesterday is another belter https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/03/brexiters-castigate-pm-for-denying-them-what-they-voted-against He's added a new acronym to Lino: Party in name only, Pino, for the tories.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:10
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Tesseraction posted:On a more positive note John Crace's sketch for yesterday is another belter https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/03/brexiters-castigate-pm-for-denying-them-what-they-voted-against Well it sure as hell doesn't stand for pedos in name only
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Apr 4, 2019 12:13
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V. Illych L. posted:clever move, this No it's crazy, see, because the SNP will actively cause the most harm to the UK in order to further Scottish independence, therefore wouldn't use that veto. You're all just lucky they're not paying burly guys from the other side of the border to come north and steal good honest Scottish children to show just how terrible England is, furthermore....
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Apr 4, 2019 12:18
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forkboy84 posted:That's a great fantasy but who is going to be in that socialist bloc? Britain, Greece & Portugal, slightly outweighed by everyone else being either liberals of various shades or fash. Reforming the EU "in the right direction" is about as likely as reforming the Tories in the right direction. The socialist bloc is going to be the three currently existing socialist groupings in European parliament? Socialists and Progressives (Melty socialists), Greens-EFA (Green party) and GUE-NGL (Left socialists+communists). Together those three make up a little over a third of the European parliament. Labour is a big part of the Socialists and Progressives group, which is the second largest group in the parliament and a current part of the ruling coalition. It's proportional representation, so even though Germany and France etc. don't have socialists leaders, they are still sending large numbers of socialists to the Parliament.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:20
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mehall posted:No it's crazy, see, because the SNP will actively cause the most harm to the UK in order to further Scottish independence, therefore wouldn't use that veto. You're all just lucky they're not paying burly guys from the other side of the border to come north and steal good honest Scottish children to show just how terrible England is, furthermore.... Well, now I know who wasted $10.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:21
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crispix posted:I think getting the public on board with this tactic is one of the motivations behind the ad campaigns to stop people giving money to the homeless. Pretty They're doing their bit to encourage the vision of the arm of the state as bourgeois violence too though. I did my usual "PSPOs are a loving waste of time and money by any metric other than allowing local governments to tyrannize minorities" bit at an anarchist thing a few months ago, and some of the younger people there were skeptical that we could be as bad as the US at that, but they're trying their hardest to prove it. Different minorities sometimes, but they're still trying their hardest, the little fash fuickers.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:22
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mehall posted:No it's crazy, see, because the SNP will actively cause the most harm to the UK in order to further Scottish independence, therefore wouldn't use that veto. You're all just lucky they're not paying burly guys from the other side of the border to come north and steal good honest Scottish children to show just how terrible England is, furthermore.... Source your quotes etc etc
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Apr 4, 2019 12:23
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His Divine Shadow posted:Well it sure as hell doesn't stand for pedos in name only you're thinking of PIE
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Apr 4, 2019 12:30
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Undead Hippo posted:The socialist bloc is going to be the three currently existing socialist groupings in European parliament? Socialists and Progressives (Melty socialists), Greens-EFA (Green party) and GUE-NGL (Left socialists+communists). Together those three make up a little over a third of the European parliament. Labour is a big part of the Socialists and Progressives group, which is the second largest group in the parliament and a current part of the ruling coalition. I have sympathy with the idea but Corbyn currently has 37% of the seats in Westminster for all the good that does him. I think most people agree that trying to let Nigel Farage do your dirty work and then coming in and clean up is a foolish idea; but to extend that thought to you can NEVER separate from global capital is a very strong position indeed. The latter basically forces the goal to be the management and mitigation of excess rather than prevention. A viewpoint certainly, but one with far deeper consequences than it initially suggests.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:31
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abolish the home office https://twitter.com/ColinYeo1/status/1113758023233822720
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Apr 4, 2019 12:32
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V. Illych L. posted:basically undoable given the composition of the eu, it really is quite fundamentally broken ideologically Arguably yes, but this is often oversimplified a lot. The limitations on state market intervention is actually a pretty necessary one in place mainly to keep multinats from demanding tax-free access to smaller countries (as evidenced by the Ireland google refund), without it we'd have even worse bidding-for-jobs like they did in the US with the Amazon headquarters. There are exceptions in place that can be used in some cases of legitimate national interests too, which a competent left-wing government can use if it wants to. The regulatory authorities have some resistance to regulatory capture, as evidenced by stuff like the RoHS, GDRP and neonic bans etc, things which utility can sometimes be debated but which aren't solely in response to market concerns. This doesn't mean it's immune to lobbying of course, but there's a lot more independence and skepticism toward corporate monopolies involved than it's usually given credit for. The EU certainly gives the multinationals lots more trouble than national governments, which are prevented from actual regulation by some combination of economic dependence and lack of authority It's entirely fair to point out the ways that the EU hinders policies aiming at economic redistribution, and the freedom of movement of money and people certainly plays into that. But rather than the EU being fundamentally ideologically broken, I'd argue the bigger problem is that Europe is. I don't think the EU structures would be the greatest obstacles to a Europe intent on socialist policies, though I may be wrong, but rather the unsound nationalism that seems to give people answers to the problems brought by economic integration and rapid societal change, as well as the ones brought by economic stagnation. Also the idea that the EU gets blamed for the ~immediate threat of immigration~ to Hungarian and Italian (and british) sovereignty is a pretty solid pro in my eyes, it's hard to merit that amount of fash rage without doing a couple things right I figure
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Apr 4, 2019 12:34
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A good article but really frustrating to read - nearly every one of those voxpops is an illogical leap from "my community has been ruined by 40 years of British government policy over which the EU has no control" to "we need to leave the EU to make everything better  " It's sad (and a little touching, but mostly sad) how so many people genuinely think that the only reason their community has been starved of funding, services and investment is because their government has no money left because the Nasty EU took it all, and that everything would be lovely if Brussels went away. Real 'If only the Tsar knew...' stuff. Tesseraction posted:This idea we don't have a constitution is a dumb one and this thread shouldn't be engaging in it. We have a constitution that wasn't written at one single time by a bunch of dipshits who thought they could predict the future. This has been greatly beneficial to us and if you want the American version then by all means go for it but remember that our malleable constitution is what allowed Bercow to pull May's meaningful vote out from under her, and America's codified big brain document currently has the man who thinks wind turbines cause ear cancer as president. Especially since the closest we came to getting a written constitution was probably in the 1832-1848 period, and I don't want to know what principles a bunch of Peelite Conservatives and Whiggish hyper-liberals would set in stone. You'd probably end up with a document making trade unions and the welfare state unconstitutional for ever.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:39
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Jedit posted:Well, now I know who wasted $10. lol
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i mean i don't want to just regurgitate Yanis Varofakis but to significantly adjust the course of the ECB you'd need to have a working majority (possibly wrong on this but i think just one member can veto appointments in which case it's basically rigged forever?) on the European Council for at least 8 years which is like you've already won at that point anyway? The idea that a minority coalition of socialist states can do anything other than 'apply pressure' is just false.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Arguably yes, but this is often oversimplified a lot. The limitations on state market intervention is actually a pretty necessary one in place mainly to keep multinats from demanding tax-free access to smaller countries (as evidenced by the Ireland google refund), without it we'd have even worse bidding-for-jobs like they did in the US with the Amazon headquarters. There are exceptions in place that can be used in some cases of legitimate national interests too, which a competent left-wing government can use if it wants to. I think the key idea is not that socialists can form majorities to achieve stuff (of course they can) it's whether they can leverage European institutions to achieve stuff without a overwhelming mandate; and the answer is that the institutions almost always act as a brake not an accelerator of change if that makes sense.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:44
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the EU has utterly failed on all the major challenges issued to it, from dealing with the refugee crisis in a civilised manner to empowering its reactionary central bank to completely hamstringing our economies' ability to adjust to e.g. the urgent need for a much greener economy through its ridiculous state aid rules. other environmental issues are not nearly so bad, but the Union is still cheerfully complicit in a mass extinction event which genuinely threatens to make the world itself uninhabitable over time i actually agree that most eu regulations are eminently sensible and well-designed within the still-hegemonic neoliberal programme. the issue is that this programme is clearly fundamentally unfit for the challenges facing us, and has to go - but it is constitutionally baked into the EU via a number of treaties and regulations which it would take a generation of concerted effort to change. that the neoliberal programme breeds a particular kind of reactionary opposition, making it increasingly difficult to maneuver for anyone sane, is only the cherry on top of the shitpile that is the EU just the Council veto means that actually changing anything is all but impossible. now that fascist wreckers are one of the largest factions in the legislature, the faint hope of reform through that alley is stone dead so now we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. gently caress the EU, gently caress the reactionaries, long live socialism
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Apr 4, 2019 12:47
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Undead Hippo posted:The socialist bloc is going to be the three currently existing socialist groupings in European parliament? Socialists and Progressives (Melty socialists), Greens-EFA (Green party) and GUE-NGL (Left socialists+communists). Together those three make up a little over a third of the European parliament. Labour is a big part of the Socialists and Progressives group, which is the second largest group in the parliament and a current part of the ruling coalition. Wait, really, you're putting faith in the loving S&D? They are social democrats, and mostly at this point the sort of third way social democrats who have seen their share of the vote collapse completely in the last decade. Who, as you say yourself, currently are in the governing coalition with the conservatives & the liberals. Great socialist bonafides there. Even putting aside their lack of ideology for a moment, let's reappraise the mighty power of that bloc after May 26th, considering the SPD were at 27% in 2014 and currently polling at 18%, the Partito Democratico won 40% in 2014 & are sitting in the polls at 21% now, and that's your 2 largest parties in the S&D. Next biggest is UK Labour, then the Romanian PSD who won 37.6% last time and are polling at 26.5% as of March 20th. PSOE's share in Spain is stable 23% 5 years ago & 23% now, French PS are down from a pitiful 14% to 3%. Portugal's PS are from 31% to 34%. Can't find polling numbers for Austria or Poland but you get the general trends across most of Europe. I'm not even arguing for Lexit. The arguments against Brexit are stronger than the political arguments for it at the end of the day. But kidding on that there's much loving chance of reforming the EU is self-delusion.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:49
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V. Illych L. posted:so now we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. gently caress the EU, gently caress the reactionaries, long live socialism Basically been my stance since 2016.
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Apr 4, 2019 12:50
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Just saw this thread, reminded me of an earlier discussion- this is what I find problematic about how we treat "sectarianism" in this country. https://twitter.com/Call_It_Out_/status/1111944502913261568?s=19
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lol yeah the S&D are absolutely a huge part of the problem. they're dying now; good riddance to those loving traitors
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V. Illych L. posted:lol yeah the S&D are absolutely a huge part of the problem. they're dying now; good riddance to those loving traitors I read a local news story about the parties and the finnish SDPs actual members and elected representatives are to the left of the party and the kind of politics it conducts. Really kinda hosed up to me. (wrong lingo for most here, but I think V.illych can read this) https://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2019/04/04/centern-mer-vanster-an-sdp-se-var-partierna-finns-pa-den-politiska-kompassen
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Apr 4, 2019 12:58
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Everyone involved in this from top to bottom should be sacked and blackballed. loving outrageous
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Apr 4, 2019 13:00
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V. Illych L. posted:so now we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. gently caress the EU, gently caress the reactionaries, long live socialism Back to Lexit again!
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Apr 4, 2019 13:02
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His Divine Shadow posted:I read a local news story about the parties and the finnish SDPs actual members and elected representatives are to the left of the party and the kind of politics it conducts. Really kinda hosed up to me. I vote for finnxit. I don't particularly sorry your country is so messed up, particularly since Nokia crashed and Russia got further sanctioned.
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Apr 4, 2019 13:02
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Between Article 13 getting voted in through trickery and this thread's constant talk about how anti-socialist it is I've honestly become rather glad we're leaving the EU. It just seems to be a massive barrier to necessary progress to me now.
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Apr 4, 2019 13:04
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leaving is still going to be a massive disaster, make no mistake; a hopeless struggle to reform is much better than actively aiding the fascists there really is no reason to be hopeful about politics in general, but leaving - especially under Tory government - is only going to make things worse
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Private Speech posted:I vote for finnxit. My parents voted against joining the EU I remember. Nowadays I think they rather like it. Which only goes to show your political opinions worsen with age.
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Yeah personally iv accepted hell world and there is no good outcome here. Reforming the EU to be socialist is like trying to reform the IMF to be socialist
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V. Illych L. posted:there really is no reason to be hopeful about politics in general, but leaving - especially under Tory government - is only going to make things worse That will do more to stop deportations, whether of EU citizens, Windrush citizens, spouses who don't earn over some arbitrary line, or other, than remaining under a Tory government and the hostile environment will. (Although remaining will still be economically better than leaving, but who that benefits and how depends a lot on your internal economy still.)
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Captain Fargle posted:Between Article 13 getting voted in through trickery and this thread's constant talk about how anti-socialist it is I've honestly become rather glad we're leaving the EU. It just seems to be a massive barrier to necessary progress to me now. The reason Brexit is poo poo is because it's being done by particularly poo poo people. The EU is fundamentally poo poo, but a ERG brexit is much worse.
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Apr 4, 2019 13:12
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I have no idea what has or hasn't been voted for because I changed phones and by the time the new one was ready there was 700 new posts. Mostly I'm worried I missed an Azza Bamboo drawing, so is there a twitter or tumblr feed or something I can use to keep up with them?
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Apr 4, 2019 13:15
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As flawed as it is, we have a better chance at solving something like climate change as part of a unified group instead of succumbing to petty nationalism, so ditching stuff like the EU is the worst idea. In fact screw it, end all nation states, one world government all the way.
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AceOfFlames posted:As flawed as it is, we have a better chance at solving something like climate change as part of a unified group instead of succumbing to petty nationalism, so ditching stuff like the EU is the worst idea. In fact screw it, end all nation states, one world government all the way. I find it particularly hard to believe that a neoliberal institution that at it's core wants to maintain status quo for rich people is going to solve climate change.
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TheRat posted:I find it particularly hard to believe that a neoliberal institution that at it's core wants to maintain status quo for rich people is going to solve climate change. Me neither but fascists much less.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I have no idea what has or hasn't been voted for because I changed phones and by the time the new one was ready there was 700 new posts. the question mark under their posts allows you to see posts by that person
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Jose posted:Everyone sign this petition btw I have a huge chip on my shoulder about people give absolute figures with no context. 700 000 microplastics a day! Seven! Hundred! Thousand! That's a scary number! From the paper they're referring to (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0025326X16307639?via%3Dihub#bb0155) that's between half a mg and 5mg per person per day, which seems much less scary. But if we compared that to the 40-250mg per person per day from cosmetics (https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acs.estlett.7b00187) then...maybe it's a significant amount? Hard to say with the ridiculously broad range on cosmetic emissions. Let's try another way: The makers of that Guppy bag to catch fibres say a city the size of Berlin produces wash-related fibres equivalent to half a million plastic bags each day (http://guppyfriend.com/en/). How does that compare to actual plastic bags? Well, Berlin is a city the size of Berlin [citation needed] and Berlin uses 250 million plastic bags a year (https://www.dw.com/en/will-berlin-be-the-next-city-to-ban-plastic-bags/a-17933409) which works out to 700 000 a day.* Well gently caress me. We (well, Berlin) produces almost three quarters as much plastic fibre waste as it does plastic bag waste. That's an awful lot. Sign the drat petition goons. Stay tuned for another episode of "Google-Fu with Strom, while waiting for your tea to cool" *"Bags used" doesn't necessarily mean "bags thrown away" but this is bags from stalls and shops i.e. new bags entering the system, so I'm happy with that as an approximation.
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