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Spoonsy posted:Please note Andy's vote has been moved Alright. Now that you've demonstrated it again, do you have any theories about how this power is useful to Town?
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My vote is now simultaneously on b and maigius. Votefinder doesn’t seem to know how to handle this ability.
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Jun 3, 2020 18:22
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xopods posted:Alright. Now that you've demonstrated it again, do you have any theories about how this power is useful to Town? I see this and want your perspective on the opposite side How is a power that he has to proclaim in thread useful for scum? The game plan is to survive like 8 days and then use it in lylo? I'm not saying he couldn't be scum, but I see this power much more as a neutral than scum unless I'm missing something
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Jun 3, 2020 18:28
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CapnAndy posted:My vote is now simultaneously on b and maigius. Votefinder doesn’t seem to know how to handle this ability. It's pretty clearly being input by a mod manually
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Jun 3, 2020 18:29
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MisterJed posted:These were posted a few hours before the deadline. Then this is where Nad landed: I didn't have one. His style of play is difficult for me to read so I tend to ignore it D1. What set me off was when Maigius voted for Spoonsy. It wasn't so much I found Steak scummy but more that I did not like some of the people on Spoonsy. It was 10 - 10 when Maigius made it 11 - 10 Spoonsy. I got weirded out and voted Steak making it 11 - 10 Steak. Spoonsy came and echo + voted Steak making it 13 - 10 Steak and then Voodoo was the Hammer. What are you getting at?
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Jun 3, 2020 18:48
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Squiggly posted:It's pretty clearly being input by a mod manually ## vote maigius
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Jun 3, 2020 18:52
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As I'm likely dead either way by the end of N2, I guess I'll say this. I have another facet to my power, I know who disturbed PQ's grave. Merk did. I know this counts for nothing right now, but keep that in mind.
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Jun 3, 2020 18:59
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Maigius posted:As I'm likely dead either way by the end of N2, I guess I'll say this. I have another facet to my power, I know who disturbed PQ's grave. Merk did. I know this counts for nothing right now, but keep that in mind. You say you bury things to keep them from scum and also know who messed with the grave. Why didn't you come forward with this earlier?? Merk did you gently caress with PQ's body (no judgement here, not kink shaming)?
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Jun 3, 2020 19:03
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If maigius had come out with all of this at once this day would look a lot different At this point I'm already slightly suspect of merk but have to doubt the complete veracity of information trickling in
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Jun 3, 2020 19:07
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Maigius posted:As I'm likely dead either way by the end of N2, I guess I'll say this. I have another facet to my power, I know who disturbed PQ's grave. Merk did. I know this counts for nothing right now, but keep that in mind. This is interesting info and probably should've lead with that.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:09
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I am incompetent and seem to keep sticking my foot in my mouth.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:10
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Maigius posted:As I'm likely dead either way by the end of N2, I guess I'll say this. I have another facet to my power, I know who disturbed PQ's grave. Merk did. I know this counts for nothing right now, but keep that in mind.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:12
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wow I don’t know why but I actually think I’d rather lunch merk over Maigius now
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Jun 3, 2020 19:12
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LordNad posted:You say you bury things to keep them from scum and also know who messed with the grave. Why didn't you come forward with this earlier?? I was worrying about getting a target on my back.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:12
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CapnAndy posted:Assuming you’re telling the truth, why did you think we all knew PQ’s stuff had been stolen? Why else you you disturb a dead body?
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Jun 3, 2020 19:13
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Sandwolf posted:wow I don’t know why but I actually think I’d rather lunch merk over Maigius now Man I had the same thought Not everyone who interacts with dead people can be scum right
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Jun 3, 2020 19:14
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Squiggly posted:Man I had the same thought No, specifically not, but Maigius claim just feels so haphazard? Like it was thought out but not executed properly.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:18
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Squiggly posted:Man I had the same thought The only confirmed alignment we know that interacts with dead people is a town role (PQ).
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Jun 3, 2020 19:19
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Yeah, I'm not claiming anything.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:20
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Maigius posted:Why else you you disturb a dead body? Y’know what, I think this has become pertinent: my action that failed last night was targeting maigius. Like I said, I don’t know why it failed — I could’ve been roleblocked — but it’s still worthwhile to know.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:20
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Squiggly posted:I see this and want your perspective on the opposite side Pretty much exactly the way he did use it, except that he did it prematurely. Like, imagine you're Scum with this power and the vote gets split between you and someone not on your team so you're both at -1. As long as there's one person on you who previously voted the other guy (not uncommon), you flip the vote and it hammers the other guy. If you're really lucky - since there seem to be multiple non-Town factions here - then it turns out the other guy is also Scum but with the other team, and you maybe you don't get lunched at all. But even if you do, forcing a mislunch is partial compensation for you dying, and if you're using the power you were presumably going down anyway. It ends up being almost like a lunchbomb. It'd also be a really useful power for a Luncher-type 3P role. Maybe that's even more likely than Scum though I'm only thinking about it now.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:20
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merk posted:Yeah, I'm not claiming anything. Worded poorly. I'm not claiming I touched the body. I'm not claiming I didn't touch the body. I'm claiming nothing.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:21
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merk posted:Worded poorly. I'm not claiming I touched the body. I'm not claiming I didn't touch the body. I'm claiming nothing. Why
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Jun 3, 2020 19:27
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xopods posted:Pretty much exactly the way he did use it, except that he did it prematurely. It seems like it invites a lot of scrutiny especially in your circumstance. It would require near perfect play to use well as scum. I don't see it near 100% scum is all
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Jun 3, 2020 19:30
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Squiggly posted:It seems like it invites a lot of scrutiny especially in your circumstance. It would require near perfect play to use well as scum. I don't see it near 100% scum is all It's not a great power no matter what, unless it's specifically designed for use with/against some other role or in some circumstance we know nothing about. It just seems more likely to me that you could use it productively as Scum (or non-Town) than as Town. More importantly, though (IMO, since I like to reverse engineer setups), it really looks like it's designed with the idea in mind of "how do we give a non-Town player a double vote without it meaning an automatic Town loss at LYLO"? Because the upside of the power seems very similar to double voter. It's just that it has this weird restriction that it requires someone to have previously voted for the person you want an extra vote on. Where does that restriction really come into play? At LYLO, when people don't vote prematurely and don't move their votes much or at all. When is double voter OP for scum? At LYLO. That's where I'm coming from. The restriction makes the most sense as a balancing element if it's in Scum hands.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:35
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CapnAndy posted:PQ himself could tell you at least one reason. I will admit I forgot what PQ'S power was, just that I was powerful.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:43
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Anyway, this Spoonsy stuff seems like a moot point today because we probably have to lunch either merk or Maigius at this point... I'm tempted to switch to merk because I can't figure out why he wouldn't explicitly confirm or deny the claim. I mean, if Maigius were lying, presumably merk would say so. But if merk did pick up the item I don't know why he'd refuse to say so... as either alignment really. It seems scummy to withhold that info but I don't see the upside in that case... it's not LESS suspicious to refuse to reveal anything, since collecting items from the dead isn't an inherently scummy power (thematically maybe, but not mechanically). It's really confusing. Like, maybe he's hoping that Maigius will flip something that makes it apparent Maigius was lying and that we'll leave him alone after that, but then surely someone's going to ask "well if Maigius was lying why didn't you say so?"
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Jun 3, 2020 19:46
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Yeah, I dunno. I'm hopelessly behind on work today and have to think about that and not this but ##vote merk for now at least.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:47
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I actually think merks refusal to claim is the towniest thing he's done today and I can't really explain why
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Jun 3, 2020 19:48
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I do not believe Maigius.
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Jun 3, 2020 20:04
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Maigius posted:As I'm likely dead either way by the end of N2, I guess I'll say this. I have another facet to my power, I know who disturbed PQ's grave. Merk did. I know this counts for nothing right now, but keep that in mind. You legally have to tell me if you and Scientastic are scum together. Sandwolf posted:wow I don’t know why but I actually think I’d rather lunch merk over Maigius now Could be because Scientastic was railing on him first. I feel like the trickle of information gave Scientastic enough time to get Maigius to listen to a plan, so I doubt I'm voting anyone other than those two right now since that looks a lot like collusion to me.
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Jun 3, 2020 20:07
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Sandwolf posted:Why Why would I? Would your opinion of Maigius change if his claim was correct or incorrect?
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Jun 3, 2020 20:09
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merk posted:Why would I? Would your opinion of Maigius change if his claim was correct or incorrect? no, but it’d change my opinion of you, because I consider people who trickle into out or are hesitant to just “come out with it” are usually trying to calculate the best plan behind the scenes.
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Jun 3, 2020 20:29
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DGK2000 posted:You legally have to tell me if you and Scientastic are scum together. Not dealing with Scientastic at all. This really dumbass plan is all on me. Getting really tired of the taste of my own foot, but it's too late to spit it out.
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Jun 3, 2020 20:30
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merk posted:Why would I? Would your opinion of Maigius change if his claim was correct or incorrect? I guess I just don't see what's gained by not at least confirming/denying that you visited PQ's body. If we lunch Maigius it should be fairly evident whether or not he's lying... all withholding the info seems to accomplish as far as I can tell is make you look worse either way.
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Jun 3, 2020 20:32
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Sandwolf posted:no, but it’d change my opinion of you, because I consider people who trickle into out or are hesitant to just “come out with it” are usually trying to calculate the best plan behind the scenes. Yeah, this too.
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Jun 3, 2020 20:33
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Maigius posted:As I'm likely dead either way by the end of N2, I guess I'll say this. I have another facet to my power, I know who disturbed PQ's grave. Merk did. I know this counts for nothing right now, but keep that in mind. You should full claim
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Jun 3, 2020 20:37
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Maigius posted:Not dealing with Scientastic at all. This really dumbass plan is all on me. Getting really tired of the taste of my own foot, but it's too late to spit it out. I can't vote you any harder.
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Jun 3, 2020 20:40
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Sandwolf posted:no, but it’d change my opinion of you, because I consider people who trickle into out or are hesitant to just “come out with it” are usually trying to calculate the best plan behind the scenes. Ok. I'm not claiming anything. I won't be claiming anything.
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Jose Valasquez posted:You should full claim So nice of you to join us for this incredibly useless post Jose
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