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Maigius posted:I've realized that if I start posting without a plan, I start not making sense and make bad moves. If I could do day 2 over again I would have probably hinted that I knew where Merk was the night before, instead of the what I did. From a personal perspective sure From a mafia perspective you're lying and typing about it in discord Perhaps you can clear some things up. Why bother to come at it like you did? Why soft claim at all? And why did your role fail at doing the one thing it's supposed to do? I think all of these have been answered before, but one more time please
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Squiggly posted:From a personal perspective sure I think everyone, including myself at the start, was confused about what I actually do. I get it to watch one dead person and their stuff during night. I see who disturbed them. I soft-claimed out of fear and confusion and did it badly. I wanted to keep who did it as an ace up my sleeve, and to give them a chance to prove if they were town.
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Jun 4, 2020 19:52
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Squiggly posted:From a personal perspective sure Squiggly, I think JoseV is right in that you've been told to stop pushing. This is an *abrupt* change of pace, I understand you getting hesitant about votes stacking on merk but I need to make this very clear. This is almost exactly how steak escaped the lunch yesterday as well. He acquired a LOT of votes, not enough for majority, and then just totally stalled there. Exactly what is happening with merk. I think we can all agree a merk or maigius lunch gets us GOOD usable info, informs on the reading of the other individual, and MAKE NO MISTAKE, BOTH PARTIES have been scummy as poo poo about their claims. Only after a lot of time and much pressure did these people "full"claim. Squiggly, if you are actually town, you should NOT be looking to massively shakeup the vote target for D2 when we have two extremely worthwhile targets.
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Jun 4, 2020 19:52
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Maigius posted:I think everyone, including myself at the start, was confused about what I actually do. I get it to watch one dead person and their stuff during night. I see who disturbed them. BUT I see Maigius as a dead person watcher, which is a LOT townier of a role to me than graverobber.
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Jun 4, 2020 19:53
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This is two days in a row that dmboogie's been so non-existent that he's in the lurker danger zone, only to come in with a flurry of posts with less than six hours to deadline, and I do not like it.
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Jun 4, 2020 19:54
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sorry man im reading but im tired
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Jun 4, 2020 19:55
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Squiggly posted:Cheese - made like 3 posts talking about people voting merk for bad reasons...and then voted merk This is incorrect. I did make posts talking about how Sci was tunnelling on a bad case and xopods felt insincere in his merk pressure but otherwise assuming we're in a day where the decision is between merk and mag, I've been pretty clear w my preference I thought Agreeing w/ voodoofly's reads, he's been pretty in tune w my impressions when I read the thread I've felt There are good reasons to vote merk but Sci's sucks Expanding on my comment with my vote a bit, I think most people have weighed in on merk/mag to be able to make connections after the flips but mag has volunteered information wrt his role whereas merk has kind of gone out of his way to make sure we know he has no intention to share anything. Regardless of alignment, w Mag's claim we're getting his watch result now that he's claimed and possibly depriving scum from trying to gain from flipped roles. I see this as valuable? Neutral at best if you consider that he's preventing town from the same thing but I see more value in keeping power from everybody if it also keeps it from scum
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Jun 4, 2020 19:57
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Like, it's possible to be critical of votes or cases on someone while still being open and willing to vote that person for better or less bad reasons. I guess was my point @ squigg
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Jun 4, 2020 19:59
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Squiggly posted:Hambeet and sub Rosa are lurking hard enough that I don't have any actual recollection of them posting anything substantial
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Jun 4, 2020 20:00
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That’s a weird statement by Squigs too because Sub Rosa and beet are two of the lurkers I have distinct reads on. Sub Rosa started the case on steak, beet is Australia but obviously posting stream-of-conscious posts when he catches up. I think they’re both very townie.
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Jun 4, 2020 20:01
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CapnAndy posted:This is two days in a row that dmboogie's been so non-existent that he's in the lurker danger zone, only to come in with a flurry of posts with less than six hours to deadline, and I do not like it. I can't speak for DM, but I can speak for myself. DM and I are currently in Awful Survior and yesterday was a busy day for our tribe. I know that there are other people playing this game that are also in that have been more active (Merk for example). I personally am trying my best, I promise I will be better next game day.
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Jun 4, 2020 20:01
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Also unless Squiggly is lying we will be able to talk after the hammer tonight, and I think seeing the flip is going to help build cases on other people.
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Jun 4, 2020 20:01
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appalling how many people are coming in and fully ignoring the people most of us want to lunch today
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Jun 4, 2020 20:02
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Sub Rosa posted:We're so spoiled for choice for scummy people to lunch that I don't know that I have much useful to contribute. I do think there are cases to be made for quite a few less obvious people to be scum, but casing them while I think merk is who should be lunched first seems counter-productive. Flip side, it's objectively more helpful to share those opinions as you have them so other people can weigh in on them or you separate from the merk lunch Like, say you get killed tonight and you're seeing something that hasn't been pointed out yet right. Then that's just gone. You're playing the game not just the day
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Jun 4, 2020 20:02
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Maigius posted:I think everyone, including myself at the start, was confused about what I actually do. Maigius posted:I didn't see the explanation post at the time. I bury a dead person and their stuff every night. Maigius posted:
Assuming your most recent version of your claim is the truth, why would you say this? You're directly asked why the town needs someone burying people, and rather than say "I'm not sure" if you're really confused or "in case someone messes with them after they're dead', which would have been the truth, you give a definitive, confident lie. Why? Explain to me why the townie version of you tells that lie. Also, PS: You sure don't sound confused about your role here either. (Note: the words in brackets are an edit by me, for the sake of clarity. They are replacing the original word "it", which wouldn't be useful without the context of the conversation he was having at the time.) Maigius posted:Interesting meant [my role] has some use, but not in top tier of usefulness. It made me say, "That's neat."
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Jun 4, 2020 20:04
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Sandwolf posted:Squiggly, I think JoseV is right in that you've been told to stop pushing. This is an *abrupt* change of pace, I understand you getting hesitant about votes stacking on merk but I need to make this very clear. First of all sandy, I pushed for steak when spoonsy was getting the vote lead yesterday for exactly the same reason that I'm currently pushing for maigius Secondly...we have two worthwhile targets in merk and maigius, correct? So what am I shaking up besides trying to make the most informed and correct vote I can? Thirdly, you can suck my dick with your veiled if you're town bullshit. I'll stop pushing when I'm content I've identified scum 100% and not before that confidence interval
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Jun 4, 2020 20:04
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present that dick then Squigs
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Jun 4, 2020 20:05
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cheese sandwich posted:Like, it's possible to be critical of votes or cases on someone while still being open and willing to vote that person for better or less bad reasons. I guess was my point @ squigg That's not a bad point, and is my point as well. I am critical of the votes on merk even though I think he is scummy. Currently I'm doubting how many of them are on him and like some of the people on maigius better
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Jun 4, 2020 20:06
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Sandwolf posted:present that dick then Squigs Answer my questions bitch tits Did you read my list and ignore that it's on one of our two targets and assume that's who I want to lynch today instead? Because that's what it looks like
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Jun 4, 2020 20:08
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This is purely a self preservation vote. ##vote Maigius
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Jun 4, 2020 20:08
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The claim was real, I was blocked or something last night and my recruitment failed. ##vote merk I believe that merk is a better vote than Maigius
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Jun 4, 2020 20:12
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merk posted:It's almost like JoseV has done nothing in thread other than misrepresent what people have said. merk posted:The Scientastic case is not that. The case on you is not that. merk is just trying to distract from the cases against him and discredit those who made them. Here are the posts merk is referring to Jose Valasquez posted:This isn't merk's town game. He's spent the entire day defensive instead of scum hunting. Town merk would vote for this merk Jose Valasquez posted:Here are merk's non-OMGUS/non-defensive posts for D2 So, merk is trying to claim that his posts haven't been almost entirely OMGUS/defensive posts. I don't think he disagrees that he didn't much if any scum hunting D1 merk posted:The context Scientastic is purposely ignoring is that I barely did anything yesterday. Here are Scientastic's posts before merk started defending himself: I recommend clicking through to this first one which shows merk's posts about Steak. Scientastic posted:You know who else looks very bad in their interactions around Steak yesterday? Merk. Scientastic posted:Looking at my other two scum picks, I feel like both Nep and Merk both spent too much time defending Steak. But while Nep's defending Steak fits with what I've seen of him as town before (and therefore gives me pause), merk's feel's quite strongly out of character. Scientastic posted:I fundamentally disagree that what you did was "strongly advocate" that Steak was town. You made one single post (below) where you actually called him town (and that fogged up with equivocation), the remainder are either meta "he's always scummy" posts, or one-liners throwing shade at Tom Tucker's case against him. Scientastic posted:I think this post from merk basically sums up what I am trying to say. I agree wholeheartedly with merk, that if he thinks someone is town, he will defend them. What I see, and what I hope everyone else sees, is that that is not what he did. I think this is a reasonable summary of merk's D1 posts regarding steak, he made one post where he said he thought this was steak's town game early in the day, but a lot more of "you can never tell steak's alignment D1" type stuff. The idea that he "strongly advocated" that steak is town is a farce but he spends most of his posting against Scientastic hammering that idea home. merk posted:I'm not unvoting Scientastic until he's removed from the game. This is scum gaslighting. merk posted:Keep moving your goalposts to fit your fake narrative. It's working great. merk posted:Merk never called Steak town! He wasn't defending him! merk posted:This misrepresentation is loving surreal. In the small amount of anything yesterday, I strongly defended Steak. merk posted:I was kind of blustering before, but I really won't unvote Scientastic ever now. merk posted:Scientastic has dug himself into a misrepresentation hole that he cannot get out of no matter how many times he hits the "Submit Reply" button. This is caught scum. Let's move on with this lynch. merk is focused on finding a small hole in what Scientastic posted and hammering on it to make the person making a case on him look bad. If you don't want to call this OMGUS, fine, whatever it is it isn't scum hunting. Merk is looking for a gotcha moment, not scum. Here's merk's case on Sandwolf: merk posted:Also, Sandwolf, we played together in this game where I yelled at people for more than one game day about analyzing votes on lynches instead of role claims because role-based discussion was getting us to make bad decisions. You're acting like you've never played with people you're playing with before. merk posted:##vote Sandwolf Even he admits it is bad merk posted:Now that I’ve cooled off, I can look for scum again. Sleeping on the Sandwolf case made me think it is not all that great. I still feel good about scientastic. Which brings us back around to his case on me. He says I'm misrepresenting him in saying that he has been almost entirely defensive/OMGUS posting. I'm calling them how I see them. He is more focused on discrediting people who think he is being scummy than he is interested in doing scum hunting.
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Squiggly posted:Answer my questions bitch tits I just think, at this point, raising other people with little-to-no support is like, not where our time should be spent. Deadline is in 3 hours. I want to focus this onto merk, not start talking about boogie or beet.
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See that's a decent case and if you'd made it in the first place I wouldn't be in this quandary of looking at lovely low effort votes on merk and doubting their sincerity
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Jose Valasquez posted:merk is just trying to distract from the cases against him and discredit those who made them. Ok, that's a legitimate case. Thanks for putting in the effort. I clearly don't agree, but here we are.
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Sandwolf posted:I just think, at this point, raising other people with little-to-no support is like, not where our time should be spent. Deadline is in 3 hours. I want to focus this onto merk, not start talking about boogie or beet. So you missed the entire point of my post which is a reflection of the votes on merk Looking at who is voting him and what they've done is entirely with merit. Why are you ignoring what my intent was?
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Sand and anyone else: I don’t want to vote either merk or maigius. I’ll vote merk over maigius and I am fully aware we are probably out of time to vote Andy but seriously people look at Andy.
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Votecount for Day 2  merk (9): Scientastic, xopods, Squiggly, hambeet, Jose Valasquez, Sub Rosa, b-minus1, Nep-Nep, Sandwolf, Maigius (8): CapnAndy, CapnAndy (1): Voodoofly Scientastic (1): merk, Sandwolf (0): merk, SalTheBard (0): Scientastic, b-minus1 (0): CapnAndy, Spoonsy (0): xopods, Nep-Nep (0): Scientastic, Jose Valasquez (0): merk, Not Voting (3): Maigius, MisterJed, Mr. HumalongWith 22 alive, it's 12 votes to execute. The current deadline is June 04th, 2020 at 6 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 2 hours, 36 minutes. Days will be 48 hours, nights are 24 hours.
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Jose Valasquez posted:I'm calling them how I see them. He is more focused on discrediting people who think he is being scummy than he is interested in doing scum hunting.
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Voodoofly posted:Sand and anyone else: I don’t want to vote either merk or maigius. I’ll vote merk over maigius and I am fully aware we are probably out of time to vote Andy but seriously people look at Andy. look, I’ll happily come back to it tomorrow, but Andy has 1 vote on him, do you really think you’re going to get this running?
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We have 2 hours and 45 minutes, I bet we could get something else going. I don't really feel Maigius either and am only voting him because he's not me.
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CapnAndy posted:I read merk as genuinely furious and being driven by emotion right now. this is false, merk doesn't have emotions.
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Voodoofly posted:seriously people look at Andy.
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merk posted:We have 2 hours and 45 minutes, I bet we could get something else going. I don't really feel Maigius either and am only voting him because he's not me. well if you were able to articulate a case that was more than: “surely this person doesn’t think I’m scum, therefore, THEY must be scum” than maybe that’d be the case.
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Sandwolf posted:well if you were able to articulate a case that was more than: “surely this person doesn’t think I’m scum, therefore, THEY must be scum” than maybe that’d be the case. The town cannot do anything at all unless the great merk steps forward and leads them to salvation. Fun times.
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Sandwolf posted:look, I’ll happily come back to it tomorrow, but Andy has 1 vote on him, do you really think you’re going to get this running? No idea. But what do you want me to do right now? I don’t like either option, we might have a lurker massacre and there were two kills last night so I’d really rather advocate someone I find scummy.
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CapnAndy posted:You guys really should, I've been playing exceptionally well and I'm proud of myself so far. I mean we'll see how this merk/maigius thing goes but I'm pretty confident! I mean you managed to discover the town win condition. I’ll give you that.
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Yeah 2.5 hours is enough time to mobilize. This is the same thing that happened yesterday where people voted Spoonsy like there was no other choice available Can't discuss anything else though we might actually lynch scum again if people talk too much I don't trust any of you fuckers
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cheese sandwich posted:Flip side, it's objectively more helpful to share those opinions as you have them so other people can weigh in on them or you separate from the merk lunch Even if I am killed tonight, I can post cases informed by the flip during the night. Unless Squiggly is lying, but I do not think he is. So I take your point, but I take it more to mean I should do this before day three starts than before day two ends.
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