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Mr. Steak posted:would you take a 1/8 chance of becoming a survivor (translation: automatically lose the game)? If it benefited the town in the immediate moment to take that risk, the townie move is to do it and cross the 1/8 bridge if you come to it. Why is getting survivor an automatic loss? The boon-getter could easily just lie and say they got and used a different boon. Docced someone who didn’t get targeted or whatever.
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Mr. Steak posted:waaaiiitt a second, is this scientastic missing the entire point of this argument BECAUSE the survivor debuff is actually still a boon for scum and she forgot...?? Is it? OP posted:Become survivor for remainder of game (Town) / Become juggernaut for remainder of the game (Scum) That sounds to me like a townie has a possibility of becoming a survivor if they don’t use the vig, and scum would become unblockable. What am I missing?
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Jul 23, 2020 21:31
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i mean, sng, if you're genuinely just worried about becoming a survivor and actually truly do not want to use the vig, then just vig a lurker. space hamlet has literally not posted.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:32
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I see being survivor as being quite likely to lose the game, seeing as this game has two nightkills and a shitload of guns it it goes on too long haha
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Jul 23, 2020 21:33
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Mr. Steak posted:*he. That’s actually a portrai of Hal incandenza
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Jul 23, 2020 21:33
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Scientastic posted:Why is getting survivor an automatic loss? The boon-getter could easily just lie and say they got and used a different boon. Docced someone who didn’t get targeted or whatever. Also it's a complete alignment shift, it makes you scum, why are you not seeing that and why is "oh just lie about your alignment, that's a townie thing to do" a cool idea in your eyes? ##vote sci
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Jul 23, 2020 21:35
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Bifauxnen posted:I see being survivor as being quite likely to lose the game, seeing as this game has two nightkills and a shitload of guns it it goes on too long haha Exactly my point. And steak I’m gonna just vote second vote leader today so that town gets two lunches, I think that’s fair, and it spares me from PR slotto
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Jul 23, 2020 21:36
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Don’t vig a lurker, undoubtedly some of the people advocating a lurker vig are scum who are confident that you won’t hit one of their team It’s also boring and unfun
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Jul 23, 2020 21:36
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Wait not just lie about your alignment, but lie about your night actions and give the town fake results too, what the heck sci
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Jul 23, 2020 21:37
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sandnavyguy posted:Exactly my point. And steak I’m gonna just vote second vote leader today so that town gets two lunches, I think that’s fair, and it spares me from PR slotto
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Jul 23, 2020 21:37
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Scientastic posted:Don’t vig a lurker, undoubtedly some of the people advocating a lurker vig are scum who are confident that you won’t hit one of their team Wtf how is letting the dead lurker weight just sit around taking up space and making it harder to lunch people somehow less boring and more fun
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Jul 23, 2020 21:37
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lol some real bad posts from sci in the past hour
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Jul 23, 2020 21:38
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CapnAndy posted:Also it's a complete alignment shift, it makes you scum, why are you not seeing that and why is "oh just lie about your alignment, that's a townie thing to do" a cool idea in your eyes? Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, well done Andy, you have penetrated my cunning ruse to win as scum by ??? I don’t think it’s a cool townie thing to lie about your alignment, but risking a negative outcome for a net positive effect is a cool townie thing to do, and quite clearly that’s what I was saying. The lying about the alignment bit was just because I don’t agree that being a survivor is a guaranteed death sentence, especially in this game.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:39
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Mr. Humalong posted:lol some real bad posts from sci in the past hour Amazing you would confuse your own posts for scis
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Jul 23, 2020 21:39
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Scientastic posted:Don’t vig a lurker, undoubtedly some of the people advocating a lurker vig are scum who are confident that you won’t hit one of their team I agree, I feel it would be a waste. Besides, shooting a vote leader has higher odds of hitting scum since people more experienced then me would have a hand in the decision. CapnAndy posted:Cowardice. Have an opinion. I’m NOT being a coward, I’m being cautious. There’s a difference. Cowardice would be just shoot the lurker and have done with it.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:40
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Scientastic posted:Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, well done Andy, you have penetrated my cunning ruse to win as scum by ??? As for cunning ruses, man, your guess is as good as mine, don't put figuring out why you're doing this on me.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:41
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sandnavyguy posted:I agree, I feel it would be a waste. Besides, shooting a vote leader has higher odds of hitting scum since people more experienced then me would have a hand in the decision. Why do you feel removing, say, the person with literally zero ingame posts would be a "waste"
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Jul 23, 2020 21:41
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@epsilon, can you please replace the playerlist with this?
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Jul 23, 2020 21:42
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sandnavyguy posted:I’m NOT being a coward, I’m being cautious. There’s a difference. Cowardice would be just shoot the lurker and have done with it.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:42
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CapnAndy posted:But "I'll just vote whoever's in second place" completely abrogates any of your responsibility, as the vig, to make a decision and then own the consequences. Yeah SNG seems more concerned about how people will judge his use of the vidge, than the actual result of his vidge
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Jul 23, 2020 21:44
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Bif who are your top 3 scums
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Jul 23, 2020 21:45
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Scientastic posted:Don’t vig a lurker, undoubtedly some of the people advocating a lurker vig are scum who are confident that you won’t hit one of their team u know whats boring and unfun? lurkers
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Jul 23, 2020 21:46
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CapnAndy posted:Cowardice. Have an opinion. i have to agree here
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Jul 23, 2020 21:46
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Bifauxnen posted:Why do you feel removing, say, the person with literally zero ingame posts would be a "waste" Because eliminating a player unlikely to be scum is antithetical to being useful. If they are complete dead weight and don’t vote or anything they allow the game to be weighted in towns favor. It’s a possible NK that doesn’t harm towns planning team (though it’s unlikely they’ll do that it still is an option.), an extra body keeps the majority vote high which requires more town to be on board with the lunch if we begin paring the number down helping prevent a scum rush led turbo, and in a game with multiple vigs, gives additional time to figure out which vote leader to lunch and which to flip early. Eliminating them just wastes a vig.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:47
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t a s t e posted:Bif who are your top 3 scums Sandwolf, SNG and... maybe Spoonsy. I appreciated his early Bojack reference that got me on a nice jokephase roll, but seriously, every time he does show up he doesn't actually contribute even when the posts and cases are just flying all around him.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:47
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sandnavyguy posted:
Who even cares about wasting a vig when they're all over the place!!
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Jul 23, 2020 21:48
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CapnAndy posted:It literally is exactly what you said! You said "oh if you turn into scum, just lie about it and give the town some fake results, what's the big deal", and I don't know why you seem blind to lying to the town and being scum being a big deal. Are you being deliberately obtuse? I was questioning why Steak was saying you would definitely lose if you rolled survivor as a boon and suggesting a way that a survivor could easily lie their way out of it, therefore not making it a death sentence, and therefore making it less of a risk FOR THAT PLAYER than Steak was presenting it as.
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sng i think the happy medium between a lurker and someone who'll probably flip scum and made a lot of connections, AND (cuz you care about this so much) you won't get hardly any flack for it: humalong!
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Jul 23, 2020 21:49
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sandnavyguy posted:shooting a vote leader has higher odds of hitting scum since people more experienced then me would have a hand in the decision. also people with scum wincons would have a hand in the decision. how do you not realize this??
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Jul 23, 2020 21:50
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t a s t e posted:Bif who are your top 3 scums taste I haven't caught up with everything but I completely trust you, who are the top 3 scums I should be worried about?
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Jul 23, 2020 21:53
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Scientastic posted:Are you being deliberately obtuse? I was questioning why Steak was saying you would definitely lose if you rolled survivor as a boon and suggesting a way that a survivor could easily lie their way out of it, therefore not making it a death sentence, and therefore making it less of a risk FOR THAT PLAYER than Steak was presenting it as.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:53
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sandnavyguy posted:If they are complete dead weight and don’t vote or anything they allow the game to be weighted in towns favor. um, no? they're a vote that town is missing. with a complete dead weight lurker in the game, town cannot lunch anyone at lylo, meaning lylo = a loss. that is not "in town's favor"
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Jul 23, 2020 21:54
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*correction. town cannot lunch SCUM at lylo
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Jul 23, 2020 21:55
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It’s less I care about everyone’s opinion on me and more I care about lunching a likely scum target. I want to win, and In a game where multiple vigs exist for both scum and town, every shot counts. Why on earth would I vig someone who is unlikely to be a scum because they are too apathetic to even joke post. Like I don’t even see where the skepticism is coming from. At this point our vote leader has two votes with 11 for majority. It would be stupid to fire right now.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:55
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Mr. Steak I think you would make a good mafia dad
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Jul 23, 2020 21:55
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Steak we are not at lylo. That is an argument once we get past at least what, D3?
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Jul 23, 2020 21:55
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Bifauxnen posted:Sandwolf, SNG and... maybe Spoonsy. I appreciated his early Bojack reference that got me on a nice jokephase roll, but seriously, every time he does show up he doesn't actually contribute even when the posts and cases are just flying all around him. ##vote spoonsy Either bif is town and I trust her reads generally or she’s scum and spoonsy’s a bus
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sandnavyguy posted:Steak we are not at lylo. That is an argument once we get past at least what, D3? Let someone else shoot him when we have multiple vigs/PR to spare.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:56
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t a s t e posted:##vote spoonsy Haha I Iike this logic a lot
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sandnavyguy posted:Steak we are not at lylo. That is an argument once we get past at least what, D3?
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