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Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

Did I miss anything?

Worth noting SQ has mostly stood out by being an aggressive flirt. It looks to me like she's keen to make alliances too?

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Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Tenebrais posted:

Worth noting SQ has mostly stood out by being an aggressive flirt. It looks to me like she's keen to make alliances too?

AC Follower SQ: Sooooooooo... are you Gnosia single, or...? :j:

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

Did I miss anything?

Gina's unrelenting thirst for the blood of our resident Sectoid.

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

Chipie = cat which is wearing a dude (can't understand how having his butt held up constantly is comfortable for him)

You, my friend, have obviously never owned a cat.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

You, my friend, have obviously never owned a cat.

I have absolutely helped a cat get up behind my head and they did not care to sit like that. They stood on top of my shoulders and made me bow my head forward. :colbert:

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
assuming Yuriko comes back in at some point we've still got 5 empty slots for players

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

goblin week posted:

Gotta say, I'm digging this LP gimmick of not actually being good at the game

:smug:

hosed up but true. This second playthrough is very humbling after I thought I knew how to play this game. Stats do play a major part in things, but even still I probably shouldn't be this bad.

Luckily sucking at the game isn't a huge deal, at least early on.

Mega64 fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 4, 2021

Sum Gai
Mar 23, 2013

Mega64 posted:

hosed up but true. This second playthrough is very humbling after I thought I knew how to play this game. Stats do play a major part in things, but even still I probably shouldn't be this bad.

Luckily sucking at the game isn't a huge deal, at least early on.

I wouldn't feel too bad about it, given how much of the NPCs' decision making seems to come down to "I don't like your face".

ChikoDemono
Jul 10, 2007

He said that he would stay forever.

Forever wasn't very long...


Sum Gai posted:

I wouldn't feel too bad about it, given how much of the NPCs' decision making seems to come down to "I don't like your face".

You’re not wrong. Many of them will defend their friends over all reason. That’s why hanging out with them at night is a good idea.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Out of curiosity how much is this tutorial section scripted and how much of it is randomized?

clockwork chaos
Sep 15, 2009




I appreciate the pronoun awareness, this looks fun to read
eager for more

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Quackles posted:

AC Follower SQ: Sooooooooo... are you Gnosia single, or...? :j:

That's pretty much spot on, yeah.

Anyways, with the introduction of the AC follower we hit the first bit of true AI idiocy.

Surprise quiz.
Game setup: engi and/or doctor plus AC follower.
You're Gnosia. Two people claim engineer. Do you fake claim?
Actual answer: are you loving kidding me the follower just took a bullet for the team :patriot:

Gnosia Raqio: HIT THAT CLAIM BUTTON BABY

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.


Music: ASTER



Hey, let's start things off with one of the best songs in the game!



She sometimes looks up at you, and simply smiles. Even without words, you can feel what she's feeling.





???: Also, Kukrushka's expressiveness, and her refined, subtle movements... They are indeed eloquent beyond words. She is, in her way, the picture of perfection of a young lady.







Meet Jonas and Kukrushka. They are both...interesting, for very different reasons.





Kukrushka's age is unknown, but she seems to be a youngish teenager, around 15 at my guess. Also she doesn't talk.







Hmph, rather tactless, but... Apparently the situation is urgent. Come, we must go!



So of course, these two will be joining the deliberations. On to them, then!

Music: Suspicion





Haha, looks like she's alright! OK then, let's get started, eh?

Even though Kukrushka doesn't talk, she still has no problem holding her own in the debates.



Round 1 - Gina and SQ are the Engineer claims this time.



Round 2 - It wouldn't be Day 1 without Raqio garnering suspicion, with Stella leading the charge. Shigemichi and Chipie don't think they're Gnosia though.



Round 3 - SQ decides to also target Raqio, with Stella jumping back in. Shigemichi and Chipie once again defend Raqio, but this time so does Cassidy.



Round 4 - Everyone's pretty suspect of Gina it seems like. Chipie, Raqio, and SQ all target her, though Comet comes to her defense.



Round 5 - Comet and Shigemichi focus on Jonas, though Raqio doesn't think it's him.

Music: Voting



To the surprise of absolutely no one, Raqio is iced with a near-majority.



I shall remain here. I have some... stuff to which I must attend.

Jonas is, uh, interesting. He has a rather weird manner of speaking, and he has major creep vibes.



We pay a visit to Kukrushka during the night. Kukrushka doesn't really care as much about who's Gnosia or whatever, when she's human she's loyal to a fault. This is great when she's on your side, and utterly infuriating when you're against her, especially since she's also difficult to target for cold sleep. But if you can get her on her side, she'll very likely stick with you to the bitter end.



Music: Suspicion



We lucked into the Guardian Angel protecting the right person.



Reports - Kukrushka is human according to Gina, while SQ has Stella as human.



Round 1 - Jonas wants to lead the charge. Well, alright then.



Was Raqio, put into sleep yesterday, the true Gnosia? Was the decision you made the correct one?
I mean, like, yeah? I think? But we like, don't reeeaaally know, so like, what're you gonna do...?



It's also time for a new role! The Doctor will automatically check anyone put into cold sleep the previous day (including multiple people if that happens) and confirm whether they're human or Gnosia. A good way to figure out if you're making positive progress!



...Of course, like the Engineer, the Doctor can also be claimed by the Gnosia and the AC Follower, so the information isn't largely useful right now. Still, we know one of Gina or SQ is a Gnosia/AC Follower, and at least one of Setsu and Jonas is a Gnosia/AC Follower (both could be if it turned out Raqio was the actual doctor)!



Well then... allow me to present the results of my examination. Yesterday, Raqio was put into cold sleep, and was indeed... NOT Gnosia! This is the whole of the information with which I can provide you now. I implore you to use it wisely and effectively.



We can now access the Doctor reports. We didn't get Setsu's analysis, but they also confirmed Raqio was human. Like with Engineers, the Gnosia can choose whether to report the frozen as Human or Gnosia. Reporting too many people as Gnosia can backfire of course.



Round 2 - Immediately, everyone's skeptical about Jonas. Shigemichi, Gina, and Cassidy suspect him, though Kukrushka thinks he's alright. Jonas is like Raqio in that he's an easy first day vote since he's a weirdo and his gameplay can be a bit chaotic. He's really not a dependable presence, so you don't really gain much keeping him around.

That said, I think he's the false Doctor here, which is why Cassidy is targeting him.



Round 3 - Kukrushka won't hesitate to go after others just because she can't talk. She targets SQ, with Chipie joining in, though Stella and Shigemichi go to her defense.



Round 4 - Nothing too exciting here. More suspicion of Jonas from Stella and Shigemichi.





Round 5 - Setsu also suspects SQ, with Kukrushka jumping in hard. Jonas goes to her defense in the most Jonas-like way, as does Stella.





Talk of targeting SQ amounts to just Kukrushka targeting her, who can really harbor some grudges. Otherwise, Jonas is the easy vote here.



We've got an event with Kukrushka this time.

Music: This is a Lie



(SQ is lying. Kukrushka tells you this. So Cassidy, I need your help. Let's put SQ into cold sleep. Kukrushka is counting on you.)

Don't remember if this came up yet, so in case it didn't, sometimes events will show a character telling you they caught another character lying, and asking you to team up against them. Of course, sometimes that character is lying, and if they are you've got decent chances of catching them in a lie.

For now, I feel inclined to believe Kukrushka. She won't hesitate to lie, of course, but she probably wouldn't be so aggressive against SQ in particular if she was Gnosia, plus even if Kukrushka is Gnosia I'd rather be on her good side than her next target.



Anyway poor one out for Shigemichi.

Music: Suspicion



Reports - Setsu confirms Jonas was Gnosia...except they're clearly lying.



Meanwhile, Gina confirms Setsu is Gnosia, while SQ states Kukrushka is human. That is a massive help, as it means Setsu and SQ are our threats. We know Setsu isn't the true Doctor, and we can believe Kukrushka now that SQ isn't the Engineer due to the Engineer reports. Humans won't lie about catching people in a lie, so if SQ is saying Kukrushka is human, that means if SQ is the Engineer, Kukrushka is right to doubt her, which would be a contradiction since SQ wouldn't be lying (and as I noticed a bit later, Gina also confirmed Kukrushka as human, thus with both Engineers claiming it Kukrushka is a Confirmed Human). This means Gina must be the Engineer, and thus Setsu must be Gnosia. SQ could still be the AC Follower, but there's no harm in taking her out too.

Right, so we've got our targets.



Round 1 - Since Kukrushka is more suspicious of SQ, Cassidy targets her first, even if Setsu's the bigger threat. Kukrushka of course joins in, but Stella's skeptical.



Round 2 - Chipie and Kukrushka suspect Comet. Setsu, Cassidy, and SQ jump her to defense.

...You would think I would've noticed Setsu and SQ defending Comet. If so, you're not paying attention to my win record.



Round 3 - SQ and Stella think Gina's being very quiet. Cassidy and Comet defend her, as Cassidy knows Gina is human.



Round 4 - Comet and Kukrushka go after SQ. Stella is still defending her.



Round 5 - Kukrushka will not relent against SQ, and this apparently finally wins over Chipie. Stella is still adamantly pro-SQ.



Gina goes for her confirmed Gnosia target, which is understandable, but not for the person who counter-claimed her and who everyone else was targeting. Poor decision, but at least Stella's idiocy means the worst that happens for now is a revote.



Round 1 - Setsu immediately goes for blood, trying to take out the Engineer and take control of the game. Stella and Chipie join in, but Cassidy and Comet are against it.



Round 2 - Cassidy and Comet go after SQ in response, but Stella is still adamantly on SQ's side.



Welp, we're deadlocked.



Kukrushka wants blood. As much as it would suck to get rid of the Engineer, taking out a threat is not a terrible idea as well.



That said, it's a draw at 3-3. Kukrushka, Cassidy, and Chipie are for freezing everyone, with Comet, Stella, and Setsu against it.



Of course, once Chipie suggests it, suddenly it's 5-1 with Setsu and Comet jumping ship. Only Stella opposes, as she really wants SQ to stick around for whatever reason.







If you eliminate the target someone wants you to eliminate, they will thank you. Definitely doesn't hurt to further garner Kukrushka's loyalty!





This time it's Chipie who's taken out.



Let's ignore the fact we caught Setsu and SQ lying. This seems suspicious, but Setsu is making the right move here. They reported Jonas as Gnosia already, so if they said Gina (or SQ) was Gnosia, then they'd be revealed as a fake since the game should be over then. It's still possible that Gina could be the AC Follower and AC Followers will appear as human if targeted by the Engineer or Doctor. This was really Setsu's only play, and they know what they're doing enough to not make the dumb mistake here.

That said, there's still at least one Gnosia in Setsu, and possibly a second if SQ was the AC Follower.



Round 1 - Cassidy's the next target, with Comet and Setsu going for them. Kukrushka comes to our aid.

This is trouble, though. Kukurushka's likely to follow our fight against Setsu, but we'd still need to win over one of Comet and Stella. Stella seems a difficult sell since we've been arguing against her all game, and if Comet's suspicious of us...



Round 2 - Anyway, Cassidy responds by going after Setsu. Both Stella and Comet come to Setsu's defense, so things are already not looking good here.



Round 3 - Kukrushka focuses on Comet next, though Setsu jumps to Comet's defense. At this point, we're really just delaying the inevitable.



Round 4 - Setsu and Comet target Cassidy. Kukrushka is as loyal as ever.



Round 5 - Cassidy tries one last time to target Setsu. Comet laughs it off.





In the end, unsurprisingly it's Cassidy that gets frozen. The two of us couldn't even agree on the right target.



It turns out the other Gnosia was Comet all along. Props to her, Comet played that really well, even playing along with our side for a time.



Anyway, Kukrushka knew SQ was lying immediately.





SQ also caught both Comet and Setsu lying, which of course helped SQ a ton since she was the AC Follower. She was able to take out the true Engineer with her, so props to SQ for a job well done.



And of course, Kukrushka caught Comet lying in that last day, which is why she gunned so heavily for her. Maaaaaybe if I followed Kukrushka's lead, we could've somehow turned Stella, but honestly I doubt it. Stella seemed firmly in Setsu and Comet's camp.

Sucks to have another loss, but I can't be too upset about that one. That was just a solid job all around by the Gnosia and AC Follower, and I made a couple mistakes like ignoring Comet (I genuinely thought SQ was the other Gnosia) and choosing to freeze both Gina and SQ (even if it probably wouldn't have mattered since that second vote was 5-1). Oh well, that was a fun one!



So let's go for another!

Music: Remind Me



It's been a while since we've started a new loop together, Cassidy. Well for me, at least.



You asked how to produce this "Key".



Hehe... Sorry, never mind. In that case Cassidy, just try thinking that you want to produce a "Key".
You try thinking about producing a "Key"...



Everything you've experience in past loops is recorded on that "Key". And by touching them together...



...Loop 158?



Anyway, this unlocks the expanded crew data. Now we get little bios and tidbits about them as well as their general stats. I'm gonna wait and show them off in a separate update, either soon or after I unlock the remaining characters (besides Yuriko, we have three left).



Also, maybe your body hasn't fully gotten used to the "Key" just yet. It looks like situational settings aren't functioning. It should start working, given a bit of time.



Cassidy, you and I are the only ones for whom loop memories are saved. But the others retain the same personalities throughout each loop. Get to know how they think and behave, and it could help you survive.





You replied that you'll help search together.
Hehe... thanks. I'm glad to hear it. Unfortunately, there isn't a whole lot we can do... I guess we just have to do the best we can under the circumstances.



This time we finally get to be the Guardian Angel. It can be difficult to execute well, but it's one of the handiest roles to be in some situations.



Oh yeah and Setsu's Gnosia.

...Wait. What!?

Music: Suspicion



So why did Setsu flat-out tell us they were Gnosia? Should we just immediately target them?

...For now, let's wait and see.



Round 1 - Kukrushka goes for Chipie early. Shigemichi and Gina aren't biting.



Round 2 - Shigemichi and Stella are doubting Setsu, so Cassidy takes the opportunity to jump in. Cassidy's not going to go hard against Setsu, but if others are doing it, it makes sense to jump in, right? Comet's not going along with this.



Round 3 - The Engineer reveals are Raqio and SQ.



Round 4 - Comet and Setsu are after Chipie, and once again Shigemichi and Gina are on the same page in defending him.



Round 5 - The Doctor reveals are Jonas and Gina.

This means our Gnosia and AC Follower are Setsu, one of SQ and Raqio, and one of Gina and Jonas. Of course, Cassidy is the only one to know about Setsu...



The vote's a scattered mess, but Chipie got enough attention to get iced.



We paid a visit to Jonas during the night.



This was a few days ago so I don't remember why I chose to save Comet. It doesn't really matter, I guess. The Doctor and Engineer claims probably aren't going to die, so it's a one-in-four chance of saving a human.



Sadly, those are low odds.



Reports - Chipie was Gnosia for Jonas and human for Gina.



Meanwhile, Shigemichi was human for Raqio, while SQ finds Gina to be clear.



Round 1 - Gina and SQ suspect Raqio because Raqio is Raqio. Jonas, Kukrushka, and Setsu come to their defense.



Round 2 - Raqio targets Gina in return, with backing from Jonas. Stella, Cassidy, and Kukrushka think Gina's OK.



Round 3 - Comet and Gina doubt Jonas. Kukrushka defends him.



Round 4 - Setsu targets Kukrushka. Gina isn't convinced.



Round 5 - Raqio onces again targets Gina, and once again Jonas assists. The Gina hate is overblown as Stella, Kukrushka, and Comet fight back against it.



A three-way tie. Of course, now that I don't vote for Setsu...



Round 1 - Gina decides to capitalize and target Setsu. Raqio and Jonas thinks they're fine though.



Round 2 - Jonas decides to declare his loyalty to Setsu in his usual Jonas manner. Gina and Cassidy argue otherwise.



Turns out the suspicion against Setsu isn't enough to overcome Jonas's Jonasness.



Hmmmm....



Not if I have any say in the matter!



Gina's not Gnosia. She could still be the AC Follower, but even so I think she's an ally. Glad I picked up on that hint!



Reports - As for the Engineers, Raqio cleared Setsu, meaning Raqio's clearly lying (only to us since only we know Setsu is Gnosia). SQ cleared Stella, meanwhile.



Meanwhile, turns out Jonas was human as well. This means the fake Doctor is an AC Follower, and the two Gnosia are Setsu and Raqio.

Of course, only we know this, since Setsu told us they were Gnosia, and we only know Gina's human because we saved her from the Gnosia killing her.



Also, thanks to Jonas's fake report we can confirm Gina is the actual Doctor. Not that it really matters much, but at least we know the AC Follower is gone. That still leaves two Gnosia, however...



Round 1 - Things get frustrating quickly, as Comet quickly jump at Cassidy, with assistance from Raqio. Kukrushka's as loyal as ever, at least.



Round 2 - I don't know what we did, but we're suddenly target number one. Stella, SQ, and Raqio all go against us, while Kukrushka and Setsu (!?) defend us.



Round 3 - Well, we need to get a new target out there, and who better than Raqio? SQ agrees, but Comet and Setsu are against it.



Round 4 - Cassidy vouches for Gina, which Raqio refutes.



Round 5 - Gina responds by targeting Raqio for us, with help from Kukrushka. Setsu and Comet oppose.



...are you kidding me. Both Gnosia don't target me, so I'm eliminated entirely by my allies.

I GOT ELIMINATED OVER RAQIO. That's just humiliating.





Yeah, fine, I hope the Gnosia win this one.

SQ and Kukrushka, you're cool.

So, that's it! But before we go, remember the beginning of the loop? When we unlocked some functionality with our "key"?





We can now choose our role when we start! Our options are Crew, Gnosia, Engineer, Doctor, Guardian Angel, AC Follower, and Random.

So choose our roles! (Update: Forgot Gnosia last time.) The top two or three will be the options I choose first, starting with the top choice for Loop 12, and so on. Also, you can vote for multiple options.

Anyway, as you may have noticed from the crew count, next time we'll be meeting a couple more faces as we slowly build our way to a full load-out and try to figure out just what the hell is going on.

Mega64 fucked around with this message at 14:41 on May 8, 2021

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

I'm assuming the reason you protected Comet there is that, of the four people you knew for sure were human with your extra knowledge, she was the only one to vote for someone who could have been gnosia.

Setsu defending you makes sense - from the way that loop started, with them revealing their role, it seems like they were going for a meta-strategy of trying to work together despite being on opposite sides to keep each other alive as long as possible. Not any good for winning the game, but possibly helpful to figuring out the whole time loops thing.

Kukrushka's muteness feels a little wasted when she's able to perfectly communicate through gesturing (and narration boxes) anyway. Is this just to indicate she has a high Stealth score or something?
And oof, Jonas. Your eyes are creepy. Also your everything else.


Oh, and I almost forgot, I like the implication that there's a whole bunch of loops that Cassidy doesn't appear in just like for the other characters. It kind of implies that Setsu is the real protagonist of this story, and you're a supporting character turning up in their second act to help them figure out what's really going on.

Tenebrais fucked around with this message at 21:19 on May 8, 2021

Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

I'm dying to know why we're looping and why Setsu is the only other one who knows it.

That said I think next loop we should be the Guardian Angel again. We didn't get much of a chance to flex that when we got iced and I want to see more of it!

Also oof, bad run of loops for Mega, lately. Ice, ice baby! Thank you for getting iced for our entertainment.

TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.
I think that line from Comet might mean that you were penalized for not speaking up enough in the debate rounds, and that's what got us frozen in loop 11?

I can't tell for sure if that's what it means or if it's just Comet being Comet, but in the early game I remember talking too much or too little being a serious problem that'd result in an all-but-certain freeze for me.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Ooh awesome, we're finally sorta out of the tutorial. Engineer will be good because while in regular Mafia this would leave us with a major target on our heads, with the way the AI plays we can root out one of three scum-aligned players and get better chances to build a fixed majority (or you'll surpass Raqio again and we'll all have a good laugh). AC Follower will be fun for watching you try to squirm through a round if nothing else.

Other special roles aren't bad per se but don't have quite as much agency IMO.

Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Can you also choose to be Gnosia, or does that come later?

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

Silver Falcon posted:

Can you also choose to be Gnosia, or does that come later?

Oops! Turns out I forgot to include that!

Here's an updated poll. Please vote again if you already voted. Sorry!

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Does having our choice of roles mean that we've seen them all?

Ryanbomber
Sep 27, 2004

TeeQueue posted:

I think that line from Comet might mean that you were penalized for not speaking up enough in the debate rounds, and that's what got us frozen in loop 11?

I can't tell for sure if that's what it means or if it's just Comet being Comet, but in the early game I remember talking too much or too little being a serious problem that'd result in an all-but-certain freeze for me.

The doubt lines change slightly based on the circumstances, yeah. Comet saying "you're awfully quiet" was definitely reacting to not talking enough. You also can get called out (or call other people out) for talking too much or after someone who was suspicious of you got night killed.

Zyxyz
Mar 30, 2010
Buglord
The text here looks a lot like it could be shorthand for the events of each loop, doesn't it? I thought I'd try transcribing it for reference:

code:
RL:E nm:11 g:2 E D A K
st,gn,sq,jn,kk,nn,sg,sm,yr,lv,rc
D1:CO_E st gn jn,CS rc,DEL kk
D2:CO_D sm,WH yr,CS gn,DEL sg
D3:CS lv,DEL st
---Loop158---
RL:N nm:6 g:1 E
st,gn,sq,lv,sg,rc
D1:CS rc,DEL gn
D2:CO_E sg,WH st,CS sq
---Loop159---
RL:E nm:15 g:2 E D A K W
st,gn,sq,jn,kk,nn,sg,sm,yr,lv,rc,cp,rn
D1:CO_E yr sq,CO_W sg jn,CS sm,DEL sg
D2:CS rn,DEL jn
[lines past this point are partially covered by the textbox and harder to see, so I'm not 100% confident on some of the letter readings]
D3:CO_D nn,CL sq,CS sq,DEL nn
D4:CS lv,DEL st
[line not visible, but it's presumably ---Loop160---]
RL:G nm:11 g:2 E D A K

And here's my best guess at a translation/interpretation:

code:
My Role: Engineer; Number of Characters: 11; Gnosia: 2; Roles Present: Engineer, Doctor, Guardian Angel, AC Follower
Characters Present: Setsu, Gina, SQ, Jonas, Kukrushka, "nn", "sg", "sm" [presumably one of "sg" or "sm" is Shigemichi?], Yuriko, "lv", Raqio
Day 1: Engineer Claims: Setsu, Gina, Jonas; Cold Sleep: Raqio; Deleted [i.e., killed]: Kukrushka
Day 2: Doctor Claim: "sm"; "WH": Yuriko; Cold Sleep: Gina; Deleted: "sg"
Day 3: Cold Sleep: "lv"; Deleted: Setsu
---Loop 158---
My Role: None; Number of Characters: 6; Gnosia: 1; Roles Present: Engineer
Characters Present: Setsu, Gina, SQ, "lv", "sg", Raqio
Day 1: Cold Sleep: Raqio; Deleted: Gina
Day 2: Engineer Claim: "sg"; "WH": Setsu; Cold Sleep: SQ
---Loop 159---
My Role: Engineer; Number of Characters: 15 [shouldn't this be 13?]; Gnosia: 2; Roles Present: Engineer, Doctor, Guardian Angel, AC Follower, "W"
Characters Present: Setsu, Gina, SQ, Jonas, Kukrushka, "nn", "sg", "sm", Yuriko, "lv", Raqio, Chipie, "rn" [one of the unidentified people here should be Comet, assuming that there really are only three unmet characters left and that Cassidy wasn't in this loop]
Day 1: Engineer Claims: Yuriko, SQ; "W" Claim: "sg", Jonas; Cold Sleep: "sm"; Deleted: "sg"
Day 2: Cold Sleep: Raqio; Deleted: Jonas
Day 3: Doctor Claim: "nn"; "CL": SQ; Cold Sleep: SQ; Deleted: "nn"
Day 4: Cold Sleep: "lv"; Deleted: Setsu
---Loop 160---
My Role: Gnosia; Number of Characters: 11; Gnosia: 2; Roles Present: Engineer, Doctor, Guardian Angel, AC Follower

(spoilered just in case we're not "supposed" to be paying attention to this text yet, but ftr I've never played/watched this game before and this is all speculation on my part!)

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

I kind of wish the parting lines were less milquetoast. One of my favorite things about mafia games is the parting jabs and whatnot after someone gets voted out. I still remember the round I played in a starcraft II map where one mafia dude's final defense was "I uhh... doctor?"

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

Zyxyz posted:

The text here looks a lot like it could be shorthand for the events of each loop, doesn't it? I thought I'd try transcribing it for reference:

The text doesn't really come up again, if it does it's another background thing that I never noticed.

As for the names, there's a couple abbreviations that don't make any sense, a character or two that don't really match the abbreviations (an upcoming one in particular), and one combination that would be spoilerly to explain, so I'm not going to really look into it much myself. It's not really a big deal overall, just look at it as foreshadowing that's fun to look at. Appreciate the write-up, though!

mercenarynuker
Sep 10, 2008

Jonas is absolutely a (bad) Shakespearan cowboy

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

mercenarynuker posted:

Jonas is absolutely a (bad) Shakespearan cowboy



He's a twitter reply guy given form

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
obviously he's the secret fourth Jonas brother, Jonas Jonas

clockwork chaos
Sep 15, 2009




Junpei posted:

obviously he's the secret fourth Jonas brother, Jonas Jonas

Would that make him a JoJo
(Disclaimer: I don't know anything about JoJos)

BisbyWorl
Jan 12, 2019

Knowledge is pain plus observation.


Zyxyz posted:

The text here looks a lot like it could be shorthand for the events of each loop, doesn't it? I thought I'd try transcribing it for reference:

Even in Setsu's loops, Raqio is the first to get voted off.

serefin99
Apr 15, 2016

Mikoooon~
Your lovely shrine maiden fox wife, Tamamo no Mae, is here to help!

Jonas is absolutely amazing. :allears:

Tenebrais posted:

Setsu defending you makes sense - from the way that loop started, with her revealing her role, it seems like she was going for a meta-strategy of trying to work together despite being on opposite sides to keep each other alive as long as possible. Not any good for winning the game, but possibly helpful to figuring out the whole time loops thing.
*They.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
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So wait, is Kukrushka just getting by on body language and facial expressions, or is she actually communicating through sign language?

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011


Oops, good catch.


Junpei posted:

So wait, is Kukrushka just getting by on body language and facial expressions, or is she actually communicating through sign language?

Looks like just body language? The captions describe her just giving knowing looks or touches or what have you.

megane
Jun 20, 2008



It seems like they were going for her communicating entirely through body language, but then sometimes she communicates things that don't make any sense in that paradigm, at least not without an explanation of how she's managing it. Identifying people when they're not present, for instance - they should have written something like "Kukrushka mimics SQ's mannerisms" or something. Shame; it's a neat concept, it just needs more precise thought than they gave it.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
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Can't post for 11 years!
I mean there could be paper or datapads or something around she's writing or typing on to communicate

Falconer
Dec 7, 2003

Did you know, I was THE MOON once!

Yes! You see, one night it turned out the moon had been STOLEN!

The animal people asked ME to take its place as I am so WISE and BRILLIANT!!
So if Setsu remembers the events of previous loops does that mean that how they treat the player before/during/after a loop depends partly (mostly?) on how they've been treated by the player up to that point? That is, has being nice to Setsu all of this time meant that Cassidy was less likely to get thrown under the bus by them during a flash freeze vote and/or less likely to be targeted for death whenever Setsu was Gnosia?

Dr. Snark
Oct 15, 2012

I'M SORRY, OK!? I admit I've made some mistakes, and Jones has clearly paid for them.
...
But ma'am! Jones' only crime was looking at the wrong files!
...
I beg of you, don't ship away Jones, he has a wife and kids!

-United Nations Intelligence Service

Falconer posted:

So if Setsu remembers the events of previous loops does that mean that how they treat the player before/during/after a loop depends partly (mostly?) on how they've been treated by the player up to that point? That is, has being nice to Setsu all of this time meant that Cassidy was less likely to get thrown under the bus by them during a flash freeze vote and/or less likely to be targeted for death whenever Setsu was Gnosia?

I'm getting a "nothing personal, that's just how the game goes" vibe from it more than anything. They might be Gnosia one loop, then you the next...they seem to understand that whichever side you or them end up on means that you're going to act in your own best interests either way.

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



Is Kukrushka's...i suppose gimmick even on display in these early loops? It's hard to say what it is exactly without spoiling ability names and such but suffice to say she definitely has one and it DOES get plenty of use but i didn't see happen in the screenshots.

Rockstar Massacre
Mar 2, 2009

i only have a crazy life
because i make risky decisions
from a position of
unreasonable self-confidence

The Shame Boy posted:

Is Kukrushka's...i suppose gimmick even on display in these early loops? It's hard to say what it is exactly without spoiling ability names and such but suffice to say she definitely has one and it DOES get plenty of use but i didn't see happen in the screenshots.

Abilities actually get picked up by the characters over time, not sure if it's tied to player level or just loop number, so it's possible she just doesn't have it yet, though I'm sure it won't be long.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
Characters get more powerful as you learn more about them. I think they get a stat boost, but they definitely get more abilities.

I’ll go into it a bit more once I do a proper character update.

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Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

Junpei posted:

obviously he's the secret fourth Jonas brother, Jonas Jonas

So he's a Bonus Jonas?

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