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actionjackson posted:alright, well in either case I'll try to work myself up to 31.5", I would imagine it's going to take a lot of practice. Maybe, but I think you should ride your bike first before shotgunning parts at it. E: This needs to be on the new page resident posted:I’m ready to drop a watt bomb.
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resident posted:I’m ready to drop a watt bomb.
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Jun 18, 2021 01:54
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Please put your seat at the correct height and learn to be on your bike. Being at the wrong saddle height will just injure you again. Getting on: Tilt bike, throw one leg over top tube. You are now straddling the bike. Starting moving: Put one foot on a pedal (clip in) then stand up to lift your butt onto the saddle. Then put the other foot on the other pedal and go. As you go, clip the other foot in. Stopping: As you slow down, unclip both feet. Step down to the ground, taking your butt off of the saddle into the position of straddling the top tube. Alternative stopping: As you slow down, unclip both feet. Lean your bike to one side, sticking your foot out to catch you from falling over. (your butt can stay on the saddle)
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Jun 18, 2021 01:54
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actionjackson posted:alright, well in either case I'll try to work myself up to 31.5", I would imagine it's going to take a lot of practice. Yeah, definitely. Bar width should correspond roughly to your shoulders. I'm good with 38-40cm bars. 40cm is the comfort option for me whereas 38cm is the go fast option so that's what I have on my roadie. It'll be different for you but you should go for comfort and thus wider.
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Jun 18, 2021 01:56
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TobinHatesYou posted:Honestly even measuring wrong shouldn't result in a >3in discrepancy. When measuring your inseam with a book you should be standing with your feet slightly apart as if you are riding a bicycle, and then jam the binding of the book into your crotch in an uncomfortable fashion. The device the shop used is probably some old school FitKit thing. I must require some sort of incredible crotch jamming, because I tried it again (this time using the bob ross art of chill game) and I got 33" again. Apologies for this very weird picture, but 36" is where my shirt ends.
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Jun 18, 2021 01:57
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actionjackson posted:I must require some sort of incredible crotch jamming, because I tried it again (this time using the bob ross art of chill game) and I got 33" again. Your…shirt? Come on
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actionjackson posted:I must require some sort of incredible crotch jamming, because I tried it again (this time using the bob ross art of chill game) and I got 33" again. Where is the book, where is jamming of the book into your crotch? Your actual inside-leg/inseam is not the same as the distance from the ground to the crotch of your jeans. Either way, we're all in the dark here because yes, it seems unlikely for your inseam to be 36in based on that photo. But that's what your fitter set your saddle height to...the equivalent of someone with a 35.5in inseam according to the Lemond method. TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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Jun 18, 2021 02:01
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The clown bike weighs 18.5 loving pounds of solid steel. Dios mio
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Jun 18, 2021 02:04
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actionjackson posted:1) get a wider handlebar width. My current one is 42 cm. They had me set on a 57.5 salsa war bird that had a 46 cm handlebar with, and it was MUCH better. I no longer had to bend my arms inward. They suggested 44 cm. They also measured my shoulder width before suggesting this number. It's disappointing this stuff wasn't looked at by your original fitter. Checking handlebar width is a gimme. E: to elaborate, lots of people suggested you go to a fitter to help with your pain and fit issues, and it seems like you got an incomplete picture or explanation of what needed to change and why that was going to help you. Not only is that a disservice to you individually, but also might discourage other new cyclists in here from taking the same advice. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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Jun 18, 2021 02:14
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Holy poo poo did you put Garmin vectors on it? I loooove it. Also: can your toes touch the ground on that thing?
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Jun 18, 2021 02:15
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Get in your underwear, jam a book in your crotch, measure to the top of the book while keeping it level (get an actual level to accomplish this if necessary) When you got fit did they actually sit you on the bike (like put the bike on a trainer and have you sit on it and pedal after they made adjustments)? If not, go back and demand they fix it or a refund If they did and when you sat on it and pedaled and it felt fine, then give the saddle height a try and some time to get used to it
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Jun 18, 2021 02:15
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TobinHatesYou posted:Where is the book, where is jamming of the book into your crotch? Your actual inside-leg/inseam is not the same as the distance from the ground to the crotch of your jeans. Alright, I took a book and pushed REALLY hard, it was actually painful and I lost my ability to produce children. Then I made the pencil mark - the number is higher than I found before (not surprising given I pushed up as hard as humanly possible), but certainly nowhere near 36.2". Looks like around 34.5". That gives me a seat height of 30.4". That actually seems reasonable once I learn to actually clip in properly.
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Jun 18, 2021 02:15
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Levitate posted:Get in your underwear, jam a book in your crotch, measure to the top of the book while keeping it level (get an actual level to accomplish this if necessary) Yes the fit was done on a trainer while they made various measurements and adjustments. kimbo305 posted:It's disappointing this stuff wasn't looked at by your original fitter. Checking handlebar width is a gimme. He adjusted the handlebar angle so that it was more flat, and did mention a different stem that would raise the handlebar height. Nothing about width. However I only paid 60 bucks, haha
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Jun 18, 2021 02:17
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Did the guy say he measured you at 36.2" or are you trying to reverse engineer some internet rule of thumb
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Jun 18, 2021 02:20
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Vando posted:Did the guy say he measured you at 36.2" or are you trying to reverse engineer some internet rule of thumb I'm sorry that was a bit unclear. The fit person set my seat height at 31.5." The person at the bike store I talked today used this fit kit thing https://fitkitsystems.com/product/fit-kit/ using that he set my seat height at 32", which would be equivalent to the lemond rule with a 36" inseam. so yes that's my bad.
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Jun 18, 2021 02:24
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Like I said before, there's no such thing as knee underextension so a lower saddle height by a couple centimeters than what is prescribed by two fitters isn't the end of the world. Within reason of course, too low of a saddle will hurt your pedaling efficiency and increase your perceived effort at the same speeds.
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Jun 18, 2021 02:27
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I'd also say, at the risk of too much information all at once, that you probably shouldn't go by "when I put the seat at this height I immediately felt knee pain!" because that seems indicative of a lingering injury that you need to let heal. Even if the seat height is wrong it shouldn't provoke immediate pain. I mainly say that because trying to work around that might lead to difficulties finding the right height. I know you said you have a PT appointment and hopefully that will all get sorted out
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Jun 18, 2021 02:30
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okay - thank you for the help everyone, I set it at 30.4 based on this 34.5 inseam measurement and will practice clipping in and out in a safe area! I can't believe I didn't think of tilting my bike, but I'm also the person who posted a video pedaling my bike barefoot. Levitate posted:I mainly say that because trying to work around that might lead to difficulties finding the right height. I know you said you have a PT appointment and hopefully that will all get sorted out yeah, unfortunately I've been very inactive this year as after being 100% wfh for a while I found out my chair wasn't the proper height or depth, so it caused all sorts of chronic pain issues. I got a large Aeron which is a big improvement, but I'm in sort of a recovery period for a while and my body is more sensitive to small changes.
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Jun 18, 2021 02:31
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The only way to really resolve this other than us saying "the fitters probably know what they're doing" a bunch is to post pics of your position on the bike, otherwise we're all just guessing if the guy who does this for a living hosed up or not (and it's more likely not).
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Vando posted:The only way to really resolve this other than us saying "the fitters probably know what they're doing" a bunch is to post pics of your position on the bike, otherwise we're all just guessing if the guy who does this for a living hosed up or not (and it's more likely not). yes I'll do that! and with bike shoes on this time
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Jun 18, 2021 02:37
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Vando posted:The only way to really resolve this other than us saying "the fitters probably know what they're doing" a bunch is to post pics of your position on the bike, otherwise we're all just guessing if the guy who does this for a living hosed up or not (and it's more likely not). I'm looking at the shop's website and social media. It doesn't look like the type of shop that would have a dedicated / expert / PT style fitter. TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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Jun 18, 2021 02:48
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bicievino posted:Holy poo poo did you put Garmin vectors on it? Yeah, I still hadn’t put them on my Checkpoint because I don’t have a pedal wrench so I figured what the hey.
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iospace posted:Thanks. I was in post century exhaustion when I made that post, so to Shadowhand00, I apologize. Yeah, I was going to say, I never said your elevation sucked  . I was more curious where it was.I have enough experience to know that a flat ride is as tough as a ride with elevation; the toughest 200k I’ve done over the past 2 years was this one: https://ridewithgps.com/trips/2623947 Rolling hills and climbs have the advantage of giving you both something to push against and the sweet sweet downhill. Flats, you’re pedaling constantly with no stopping.
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resident posted:Yeah, I still hadn’t put them on my Checkpoint because I don’t have a pedal wrench so I figured what the hey. 
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TobinHatesYou posted:I'm looking at the shop's website and social media. It doesn't look like the type of shop that would have a dedicated / expert / PT style fitter. not dedicated, he's done a lot of fits, but it's also a budget option. the other place was 300 so I thought I'd start with this instead.
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actionjackson posted:not dedicated, he's done a lot of fits, but it's also a budget option. the other place was 300 so I thought I'd start with this instead. What was the other place?
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Skarsnik posted:I've not tried it but I wonder if putting do not disturb on but allowing wife chat to override would work (android that is) On Android, but not on iOS, IIRC
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highme posted:I feel you on the whole not feeling ready to do a crank out a bunch of miles on logging roads, or highway 30. This site has a poo poo ton of different routes in Oregon & southern Washington http://www.omtm.cc/omtm-community with a "route of the month" that always looks awesome (if not a bit much for me). The May ride had 4 different variations, so I'm going to tackle the 35 mile loop at some point soon. I've fallen into rabbit holes just reading some of the route descriptions, the writing is entertaining. For example, this bit about the Falls Creek lava caves you can visit on the June route through Gifford Pinchot NF. I'm actually more wary of the 101 than highway 30, but Astoria to Longview on the 30 is one of the centuries i wanna do. There are are so many forest roads that i could do a gravel century. I just need more time and miles on the saddle
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TobinHatesYou posted:What was the other place? https://www.thefixstudio.com/bike-fitting-gait-analysis/
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resident posted:I’m ready to drop a watt bomb. Is the fork backwards on purpose, for extra trail/stability?
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kimbo305 posted:Is the fork backwards on purpose, for extra trail/stability? It’s backwards for extra comedy.
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actionjackson, it might be easier to learn to ride with proper saddle height on flat pedals instead of clipless. That way you don't have to worry about falling over while clipped in. Also, I can see where he's coming from with that fit if he's not used to a saddle to bars drop, could feel like he's going to dive headfirst into the stem. Higher bars would lessen that sensation, wider bars could too I suppose. Either way, your hips should definitely not have to rock back and forth when you pedal so I don't know how you ended up with that saddle height if your self measured inseam is right. Only thing I can think of is that maybe the crank arms were a different length on the bike fit? If they were shorter than the cranks on your bike, the fit would have prescribed a higher saddle height than what you actually need since shorter cranks effectively raise you up further from the bottom bracket at the bottom of your pedal stroke.
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actionjackson posted:okay - thank you for the help everyone, I set it at 30.4 based on this 34.5 inseam measurement and will practice clipping in and out in a safe area! When I started riding, I set my seat low enough that I felt stable. Every few days I bumped it up a quarter inch or so until it was where it was supposed to be. It takes practice!
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spf3million posted:actionjackson, it might be easier to learn to ride with proper saddle height on flat pedals instead of clipless. That way you don't have to worry about falling over while clipped in. thanks - the fit (which was quite basic) just stopped at 31.5" after looking at me pedal in a few positions and also I told him how it felt on my end. It wasn't something super precise and he said he expected I would have to adjust the seat height a bit more after seeing how things felt, but just to do it in small increments. No idea about the cranks, I suppose it's possible that the ground to crank height is different on my bike than on some other bikes. actionjackson fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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I spent the evening chasing two of the strongest cyclists I know around and all I got were a bunch of PRs and some cups on Strava and extremely loving sore quads I kinda want to cry a little bit.
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Went to my first bike ride ever with those clipless pedals and shoes. Welp I hate clipless. Maybe it is possible to get used to them. I have to try and practice more. Anyways, the bont riot+ shoes have some kind of "lateral foot support" which means the sole wraps around the forefoot and rises up. On a longer ride I found out my right feet goves over the "lateral foot support" and causes intense pain to my footbed. Also the medial sides of my big toes went numb because of the "lateral foot support" pressing them outward... I tried to "soften" the hard points on the road, no luck. Only marred the shoe upper. I was ready to bin the shoes until I found out today that it is possible to soften the sole with a heatgun at around 80-100C setting and then use a blunt tool to forcibly modify the sole. So today's plan is to soften the soles at low heatgun setting, modify them with a blunt end of screwdriver, jam innersoles and my feet inside and wait. And hopefully they set to the new modified position and don't have "Memory" which makes them return to the original shape. The upper has enough room, no problems. It's the ultra hard, ultra stiff sole which presses on my big toes and right foot's outer footbed... Chinese chinesium RISK branded 16mm padel axle extenders worked fine. Except apparently the pedal should be flush with the axle extender, which it isn't. The clipless pedals have a slightly longer axle than my regular flat pedals. Today's plan also includes sawing 2-3mm off the clipless pedals axle to make them as long as my flat pedals, so they fit flush with the padel axle extenders. It is risky yes but what can you do with a big foot...  
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Ah actionjackson I get where ac is coming from with the not liking to not make contact thing, my toes are bent flat and taking all the weight when I stand BUT Here’s the thing though, my 33” legs are on a seat which is at 36”- 37” high because my bikes are hybrid, mountain, and an audux road bike that have the geometry to let me do this. Hard truth is this and I’m not saying this to be a bitch. . Here’s your choices: 1. get used to the higher height on that bike. You will destroy your thighs if they are at the wrong angle. 1b. You are absolutely not going to do that with clipless, clipless are making you miserable, get flat pedals on it ASAP and if you get used to them then you can swap back. You don’t need clipless, they are a tool that work really well for a lot of people but not for others and that’s fine. I never used flat pedals in my life and in decades of riding not one person has ever even mentioned this, if someone is telling you that real road bikers use clipless or something then tell them that the lady from the Peak District is rolling her eyes at them. 2. Sunken cost fallacy my friend, if you can’t get used to the height you will spend the rest of your life pouring money into that bike, and at some point you got to stop and go for a bike with different geometry - a touring bike that you can sit on and try before you buy or a hybrid. The hybrid brand that best fits my toes down style is called ridgeback and although I can fit in a 19” the seat is right down 17” and 18” are better. Others would be able to tell you about the tourers. learnincurve fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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learnincurve posted:my toes are bent flat and taking all the weight when I stand quote:1b. You are absolutely not going to do that with clipless, clipless are making you miserable, get flat pedals on it ASAP and if you get used to them then you can swap back. You don’t need clipless I agree to give it a try with flat shoes, but with the qualification that aj was trying clipless to alleviate some hot spotting when riding in sneakers that might have been shoe related but very possibly fit related.
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What are my options for an 700c, 80mm valve stem inner tube? The few online bike shops I've checked have been completely sold out, and Amazon only seems to have Continental tubes-- which I've bought in the passed, but I'm always paranoid I'm going to get counterfeit parts or something.
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dawg get some flats until you are comfortable getting on and off the bike and stuff, clips are like advanced territory for ya. imo you can get 95% of the way to correct saddle height looking at a picture of it on the internet and then riding by some windows.Ihmemies posted:I tried to "soften" the hard points on the road, no luck. Only marred the shoe upper. I was ready to bin the shoes until I found out today that it is possible to soften the sole with a heatgun at around 80-100C setting and then use a blunt tool to forcibly modify the sole. can you return your shoes that dont fit and get some ones that do? and before you cut your axles down (lmao dont hacksaw your axles) try adjusting cleat position so they clear on your new shoes that fit right.
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