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Somebody blocked me last night.
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Dans Macabre posted:Who I think is TOWN: Why is Cube in your town list? I'm just curious, I'm null on him at the moment
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Mar 14, 2024 15:39
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I'm not discounting the idea that shark is a scumsmith in a game with a serial killer and a vig, but I think I'm unwilling to vote opop unless we test shark first.
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Mar 14, 2024 15:39
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votefinder posted:Votecount for Day 2 To my annoyance is looks a lot like the swerve onto Fancy was just town huffing its own farts unless, again, shark is a scumsmith and they're pulling a gambit with opop.
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Mar 14, 2024 15:42
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Johnny Keats posted:Town roleblocker checking in fool of sound posted:Somebody blocked me last night. Hmmmm
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Mar 14, 2024 15:43
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Two dead town, vig dans, an opportunistic SK vote, opop/maer/shark
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Mar 14, 2024 15:44
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Johnny Keats posted:My thoughts on that are I just noticed I'm a miller this game. Would Keats be this cheeky as scum? Maybe I'm going to keep looking at his posts later but I have to get back to work
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Mar 14, 2024 15:45
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Maerlyn posted:Would Keats be this cheeky as scum? Keats always posts poo poo like that tbh.
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Mar 14, 2024 15:46
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note: i think this investigation is very likely to be reliable because in a game with this much vanilla, i dont believe that opop is both a godfather and whatever role he'd have to be hiding to resist a kill
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Mar 14, 2024 15:48
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the 'town roleblocker' claim seems plausible from keats, i'd expect that a roleblocker and either a second investigative role or another weak-ish protective role would fit for the remaining unrevealed town power roles. and it seems likely that if scum had a roleblocker they would have roleblocked me last night which is not to say that he's cleared but he did post that super early
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Mar 14, 2024 15:52
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actually yuming flipping tracker means probably weak protective role over investigative role. which is a shame
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Mar 14, 2024 15:56
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anyway regardless PROBABLY TOWN dans (likely vig) opop (gunsmith investigation: no kill) moritz (if he's scum i'll eat my hat) which means there's most likely 3 scum in grandicap fool of sound cube keats maerlyn
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Mar 14, 2024 15:58
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i had various susses on fool of sound but most of them were linked to his behavior re: rhymes with clue. that read was obviously untrue because rhymes was not scum, but an SK. fos could still be scum but it's less cut and dried
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Mar 14, 2024 16:00
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Maerlyn posted:Why is Cube in your town list? I'm just curious, I'm null on him at the moment BEcause of the massive effortposts
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Mar 14, 2024 18:21
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Ok cool, so Dans (I don't buy an SK and a scum dayvig in a 15 player game, Town) CubicalSucrose (no solid read but he's probably posting too much to be scum) sharkmafia (I guess I could see scum gunsmith or maybe a rolecop or something but I feel like they've played things pretty town so far, no interest in voting them) Grandicap (Grandi is wily but I still don't see him trying to get someone killed based on information they Recieved in a dream as scum. That said I don't recall anything else he's done) Tired Moritz (bizarrely fixated on killing me and Dans. If rwc had flipped scum I'd be voting tm already, as is I'm not ready to call them town or scum but I'm leaning scum, will depending on their posting today) fool of sound (I couldn't tell you one thing fool has said or done in this game, probably lurking scum) Johnny Keats (still scummy) Maerlyn (still scummy)
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Mar 14, 2024 18:29
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Okay, I think it might be time for a spreadsheet today.
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Mar 14, 2024 18:38
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fos i think is still my top pick, ill reread him a little later otoh grandicap i have a town lean on because I think he's been posting well and i find his reasoning genuine. but he could just be scum playing well maerlyn/keats/cube are between those two in scumminess
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Mar 14, 2024 18:50
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I will vote for Maer, fool or Keats today. I think that's the end of the list for me. I can concieve scum of in TM or Cube, but they are so far down the list that I wouldn't consider them as on the table until those 3 are either cleared or off the table.
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Mar 14, 2024 18:51
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Despite the ostensible clearing from shark, we still don't have a resolution on dans vs opop. It was day 1, one of them is lying. I really want to test shark's claim on opop still before we run out of time letting shark continue to lead the game. I still find the behavior around opop to be deeply suspicious and unless someone else has an investigative role we have to kill to test. Shark immediately shaking off the fact that their central case on me was based on RwC and I being teammates in order to maintain me as their top pick is not town behavior.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:20
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With an SK and 15 players we're almost certainly looking at 3 scum. A gambitting shark and opop only need us to misyeet today and suddenly we're in lylo. We can't afford to be giving this the benefit of the doubt Grandicap posted:until those 3 are either cleared or off the table.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:24
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I think it's suspicious that grandi is making that statement when town is so far behind. That's not a town mindset. I'll vote grandi if people can't be convinced to test shark's claim, but I really think we NEED to test shark's claim.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:28
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##vote opop
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Mar 14, 2024 19:30
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I still don't believe shark's explanation for not scanning opop on night 1 (that they "always scan shwinn first because they can't read them"). Similarly, shark steadfastly defended opop all of day 2. I do not think this result should be considered trustworthy.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:35
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so, fool of soundsharkmafia posted:also, the posts of analysis following that post don't actually contain a scumread, just a lot of 'null' and 'vague town' this post still pings me. the rwc/yuming thing was a red herring but the fact remains that he made a big post where he failed to scumread anyone however the main reason i see him as suspicious is his behavior from yesterday he starts off with this post: fool of sound posted:Sorry why are we assuming a redirect was in play for RwC's ostensible kill at all when the much simpler explanation is just but then almost immediately switches onto a different tack of interrogating my claim fool of sound posted:Oh cool love when people claim to have investigated someone who died the same night so there's no breadcrumbing or posting behavior that could verify it. And you could have checked to make sure that it WAS a vig since, you know, it failed? fool of sound posted:Bullshit. It would change your posting behavior. You would be able to point to posts where you were asserting that you wouldn't vote for them, defensing them, leaving them out of your sus lists, ect. There's a reason scum like to claim that they targeted dead people, even beyond running the risk of being counterclaimed. fool of sound posted:Shark why wouldn't you check Opop, given that's the big contentious mystery? what this reads as to me is fos playing second fiddle to moritz and egging on his paranoia. one thing grandicap said earlier rings true to me: scum knew that rwc was not going to flip scum, and they likely didn't have any evidence that there was a serial killer in the game. they would be trying to set up mis-eliminations on the basis of that assumed town flip. So this posting by fos seems to be to read like a scum setting up to push a misquorum on one of opop or myself, by making himself look good and getting moritz on his side, I am fairly convinced that moritz is town. however, fool of sound, his cheerleader, is not. ##vote fos
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Mar 14, 2024 19:35
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fool of sound posted:I think it's suspicious that grandi is making that statement when town is so far behind. That's not a town mindset. I'll vote grandi if people can't be convinced to test shark's claim, but I really think we NEED to test shark's claim. Shark's claim is verified. It caught someone with a killing action. The question is whether shark is a scum gunsmith or a town gunsmith. I am willing to bet that he is a town gunsmith and I would stake the game on it.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:36
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Grandicap posted:Shark's claim is verified. It caught someone with a killing action. I mean the claim on opop. I think that shark is a scum gunsmith.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:37
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This is a game with at least one and probably two non-scum killing roles.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:38
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sharkmafia posted:##vote fos Cool complete reinvention of your case to continue pushing the same person you have since day 2.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:39
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fool of sound posted:Cool complete reinvention of your case to continue pushing the same person you have since day 2. A day 2/3 case that was debunked
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Mar 14, 2024 19:40
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fool of sound posted:I mean the claim on opop. I think that shark is a scum gunsmith. Why?
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Mar 14, 2024 19:42
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Why was I roleblocked? I was aggressively casing shark and opop. Either they are town and thought I was unsubtle scum about to kill the person I was casing, or they were scum worried about me having a investigatory role.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:43
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Opopanax posted:Why? Because their choice of targets on nights 1/2 doesn't line up with a town player trying to confirm or dispel suspicions. A modestly active at best shwinn and an abortive push on RwC?
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Mar 14, 2024 19:45
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This despite their vociferous defense of opop and the heavy sus on them day 2. A town player would have checked opop then if not night 1.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:46
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i checked rhymes with clue because i was suspicious of them and wanted to confirm my suspicions. my case on them day 2 was also not 'abortive,' it was my focus for most of the day, and i only switched off of them in the last hour because we had to eliminate someone. My investigation was entirely consistent with my play. feel free to check. it's unfortunate that I checked a dead person day 1 so fos can seize on that. but here are the facts at the moment: 1. I claimed yesterday, unforced, to say that i had a 'can kill' read on rwc. 2. rwc did in fact have a kill, and was in fact not town. 3. it's entirely consistent with my behavior this game that i would have done this check. fos appears to be arguing that because I have defended opop before, and I just claimed a clear on him, the best thing for town to do at this moment is not to kill one of the uncleared people such as himself, but eliminate either the person who is definitely a gunsmith, or the person who was just cleared by said gunsmith. Because it could be a 'scum gambit.' Even though my claim yesterday was made proactively and has been borne out in every respect.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:56
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also, bringing up the shwinn thing at all as a strike against me is weird. because it's essentially confirmed that I am actually a gunsmith. so riddle me this: -if i am a scum gunsmith (or a scum rolecop), why would I have claimed a check on the person that the scum nightkilled? The scum presumably would not kill the same person that they gunsmithed or rolecopped.
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Mar 14, 2024 19:59
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because, see, the idea that i would 'have to claim' the dead person is inconsistent with the idea that i'm actually a gunsmith, which I am. the only way that logic applies if i wasn't actually one, and i was faking the claim. but it should be obvious that I am not. so why would a scum gunsmith investigate the scum nightkill?
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sharkmafia posted:also, bringing up the shwinn thing at all as a strike against me is weird. because it's essentially confirmed that I am actually a gunsmith. so riddle me this: Or you made the kill knowing that 1) that’s functionally checking anyway and 2) you could claim it safely even if there was a watcher in play
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Mar 14, 2024 20:01
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why is Oppo still alive can dans make a case on anyone at this point
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Mar 14, 2024 20:06
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Dans Macabre posted:Who I think is TOWN: "please tell me who to bandwagon on" omg im gonna throw myself into the sea
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fool of sound posted:Or you made the kill knowing that 1) that’s functionally checking anyway and 2) you could claim it safely even if there was a watcher in play so you're adding an even more specific condition for how that could possibly make sense, then. rather than having their gunsmith actually run a check, the scum had them do the kill, because ???? it's not like 'actually i am a gunsmith and I was checking them' would have done poo poo if a watcher had caught a single person visiting the person who died. to me, it sure seems like you tried a repeat of this sus from yesterday without noticing that it no longer makes any sense. fool of sound posted:Oh cool love when people claim to have investigated someone who died the same night so there's no breadcrumbing or posting behavior that could verify it. And you could have checked to make sure that it WAS a vig since, you know, it failed? note the 'if rwc isn't scum than you absolutely are' line here. This is the no. 1 reason why i think fos was trying to swing a mis-elimination based on the assumed rwc town flip
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