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univbee
Jun 3, 2004

Let's maintain dazzling beer indefinitely.


EDIT: The OP has been edited to reflect the existence of Windows 8 and what that means for currently on or migrating to a previous version like Windows 7.

Discussions pertaining specifically to Windows 8 (including Windows 8 UI Syle Apps and info on upgrading to Windows 8), Windows RT, and related products such as the Microsoft Surface, should go in their specialized threads (see threads section below for appropriate links).


Welcome to the Windows Megathread! This thread is intended for asking questions, giving advice, and general discussion on the Microsoft Windows series of operating systems. Is something broken? Tech support questions should not go in this thread! There's a dedicated subforum for that.

Threads:
The Windows 8 Thread
The Windows RT Thread
The Windows 8 UI Style Apps Thread

The Windows 7 Discussion Thread
The Windows Home Server Anticipation/Discussion Thread
Leveraging Group Policy

News and Rumors:
Microsoft Watch
Neowin.net

Blogs:
Paul Thurrott's WinSuperSite
Ed Bott's Windows Expertise
The Microsoft Vista Team Blog
The Microsoft Exchange Team Blog

Information Sources:
msexchange.org
Daniel Petri's Windows IT Knowledgebase
Windows Licensing FAQ
Windows XP Product ID Guide
4sysops

Forums:
Microsoft Software Forum Network
The Green Button - Windows Media Center Discussion Board
MSDN Forums

Internet Explorer 9 is now available for Vista and Windows 7. It will show up in Windows Update, or you can go here for a manual installer: http://www.microsoft.com/ie9

Service Pack 1 is now available. The final build number is 7601.17514.101119-1850. This will allegedly be the only Service Pack for Windows 7.

Download here (X64 is 64-bit, X86 is 32-bit).

A retail disc, by default, will only install the edition of Windows 7 labeled on it. However, going to the "sources" folder and deleting the "ei.cfg" file will allow for a ballot screen early in the install process allowing the installation of other versions. Note that this won't allow the installation of Windows 7 Enterprise (this is a separate ISO). You can go to this link for an easy ei.cfg change/remove from ISO utility, no other ISO tools required (note: tool doesn't work on SP1 integrated discs yet, hopefully will be updated soon).

FREQUENT QUESTIONS:

Why is upgrading to Windows 8 Pro only $40 and upgrades to Windows 7 Home Premium, if I can even find them, are over $100 (over $200 for Professional)?


There are several likely reasons, including Microsoft being frequently berated by Apple because Apple's OS only has one edition and is now $30ish, and Microsoft trying to bring as many people to Windows 8 as possible. Regardless, this makes Windows 7 upgrades hard to come by and will only get worse with time, and given the considerable difference in price it's an important question to ask yourself. Just realize that if you MUST have Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7 and can't upgrade to Windows 8, you will probably want to get whatever you need ASAP while the getting is still good. The most significant thing missing from Windows 8 is Windows XP Mode; for more specifics, consult the Windows 8 Thread.

What version do I buy, tl;dr edition.

- If you don't need XP Mode or the ability to join a domain, buy Home Premium.
- If you need XP Mode and/or the ability to join a domain, buy Professional. Professional includes ALL Home Premium features.
If you want to make a more informed decision, read the more detailed version differences at the bottom of the OP.

Q: How do upgrade licenses work? Does the previous OS have to be installed or is there a way to install it "clean"?

A:
Generally, a previous valid OS must be installed, but there are some funky workarounds. Read this link for more info.

Q: What scenarios require a clean install? What scenarios allow the choice of clean or upgrade install?

A:

Clean install only (files are backed up to a folder called Windows.old and the system is then effectively clean installed. All software and drivers must be reinstalled. Note that the presence of the previous copy of Windows counts for upgrade editions of Windows 7, even though it's being "removed")


- Upgrading from Windows XP
- Upgrading from 32-bit Windows Vista to 64-bit Windows 7
- Upgrading from 64-bit Windows Vista to 32-bit Windows 7
- Upgrading from Windows Vista Business to Windows 7 Home Premium
- Upgrading from Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate to Windows 7 Home Premium or Professional

Choice of Clean install (see above) or Upgrade install (programs and drivers are preserved and don't have to be reinstalled. Some software may have to be removed or upgraded either before or after the upgrade process)

- Upgrading from Windows Vista Home Basic or Home Premium to any version of Windows 7 on the same bit architecture
- Upgrading from Windows Vista Business to Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise or Ultimate on the same bit architecture
- Upgrading from Windows Vista Ultimate to Windows 7 Ultimate on the same bit architecture

Legal restrictions with upgrade editions

Note: end users and stores are going to cheat some of these points like crazy, it's inevitable; treat talking about license-bending as you would talking about pirating software here.

Note 2: These are the rules according to Microsoft's EULA and should be treated as legally binding in the United States and Canada. Although the EULA is identical worldwide, some aspects of it may not be enforceable in some countries (e.g. apparently Microsoft can't tie OEM editions to specific hardware in the EU, but this could just be a rumor)


- If you buy an upgrade edition, you MUST have a licensed copy of either Windows XP or Windows Vista.
- If the OS you're upgrading from is an OEM version (came with your computer and has a COA sticker on the case), you MUST install the Windows 7 upgrade to the computer it was originally installed on. No transfers, you play by the same rules as the OEM version of the original OS.
- Purchasing an OEM edition can only be done with an accompanying hardware purchase (I believe that officially, the hardware must consist of motherboard + processor as a bare minimum). That OEM edition can then only be installed on that particular hardware. The Windows 7 OEM license can be purchased up to three months following the hardware purchase. The COA sticker must be affixed to the case the hardware is installed in.
- Once upgraded, you may NOT install the previous OS license to another machine or sell that license (eBay sales are shut down frequently for this very reason). You also can't have any form of dual-boot or virtual machine configuration; only one OS or the other can be installed at a given time. Downgrading is allowed, but the Windows 7 installation must be removed. Those wishing to dual boot will have to buy a Full version.
- Upgrades must be for the same base language as the OS being upgraded (i.e. you can only upgrade an English OS to an English version of Windows 7).


COMMON ISSUES

Q: What Anti-virus programs work?

A:
Pretty much any major anti-virus software, including AVG, Avast!, NOD32, VIPRE and others will work if you install their latest versions.

Looking for a free solution? AVG and Avast have free versions for non-commercial home use, and Microsoft Security Essentials can be installed for free for home users and small businesses of 10 users/devices or less. You don't even have to go far for Security Essentials, as it will show up in Windows Update if no AV software is detected.

Q: Game sound goes down in volume by 50% when I attempt to voice chat in it. What's happening?

A:
Windows 7 auto-detects the use of VoIP solutions and does automatic volume adjustments to compensate. You can disable this using the following steps:

- Go into the "Sound" section of "Control Panel".
- Click on the "Communications" tab.
- Change the option to "Do Nothing."

Q: How does this new taskbar (Superbar) work?

A:
If you pin an application to it, it becomes something like a shortcut, where if you click on the icon, the program is launched and then the icon becomes the program's "taskbar mode" for lack of a better term. Some programs (i.e. InfraRecorder and some unzipping programs) will have added features like showing a green progress bar over the icon. Note that some programs require some modification (read: updating) in order to completely support this; expect more programs to start supporting this as Windows 7 becomes more and more mainstream.

Q: What happened to the tray now?

A:
In a sense, the tray is being somewhat phased out, or at least rethought in light of the superbar's features stated above. All taskbar icons by default now get hidden behind a ^ that appears next to the time. Clicking on this will open a small window with all the tray icons. You can customize this to force some of your tray icons to be always visible for preserved functionality (like if you have to see a "new mail" icon in a tray program, for example) or simple personal preference.


GENERAL INSTALLATION QUESTIONS

Q: What are the system requirements for Windows 7?

A:
If your system can run Windows Vista, it's almost guaranteed to be able to run Windows 7. In fact, some of Windows 7's system requirements are actually LOWER than Vista's (the installation footprint is smaller), and most people find that Windows 7 performs faster and more smoothly for general use than Vista does. For completeness' sake, here are the official requirements:

- 1 GHz or faster processor (Hardware Virtualization is recommended for Windows XP Mode, but not required if you're running Windows 7 SP1)
- 1 gig of RAM for 32-bit, 2 gigs for 64-bit (note: I can vouch that the 32-bit version will "work" on 512 megs, but don't expect to do anything fancy)
- 16 gigs of hard disk space for 32-bit, 20 gigs for 64-bit (exact footprint size varies depending on what edition is installed, for 32-bit it's typically between 6 and 10 gigs)
- DirectX 9 graphics processor with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver

Q: Should I install 32-bit or take the plunge to 64-bit?

A:
You should almost definitely install the 64-bit version unless one of the following is true:

- Your processor doesn't support 64-bit (some Netbooks, older processors like Pentium 4s and single-core Intels). If you're not sure if your processor is capable, you can check your current system for compatibility using SecurAble available here.
- You have a piece of hardware with no 64-bit driver (older printers especially can be problematic with this)
- You have software like Cisco VPN that won't work in a 64-bit OS (note: if you get the Professional or higher edition of Windows 7, you can potentially run it through Windows XP Mode)
- You want to be able to play all Windows games using Gametap (note: Gametap is actively working on this, and most of their newer titles will work in 64-bit, but some of their older ones won't. This is also only a restriction for their Windows-based titles -- their DOS, console and arcade games are 100% compatible)
- You're doing an in-place upgrade of a 32-bit version of Vista and don't want to reinstall everything.

64-bit means taking full advantage of systems with 4 gigs of RAM or more. The 64-bit version is standard on almost all preinstalled systems other than netbooks, so there's definitely market pressure to ensure software and hardware is supported on 64-bit systems.

The days of 64-bit meaning hunting for drivers or not being able to run software are mostly a thing of the past. In fact, Microsoft has already stopped producing 32-bit server OSes (Windows 2008 R2 and its variants are 64-bit only; Windows Server 2008 is Microsoft's last 32-bit server OS).

Q: I have no DVD drive. Any alternative ways to install?

A:
Yes. You can start the installer within an existing OS as long as it has some way of getting to the files; USB drive, external HD, whatever. Even when rebooting to continue setup, it will do everything it needs to do beforehand so it doesn't need to access any external media during install.

There is also this official Microsoft tool for making a bootable USB key installer from an ISO file.

UPGRADING PREVIOUS WINDOWS INSTALLATIONS (IN-PLACE UPGRADE)
(For the sake of simplicity, in this section, "upgrade" refers to installing Windows 7 over an existing OS in a way that preserves existing files and installed applications (a.k.a. in-place upgrade), and not to anything license-related. For licensing details, see the end of this OP)

Q: Can I perform an in-place upgrade of Windows XP to Windows 7?

A:
No. Upgrading from Windows XP is not possible (nor will it be in the Final, although migration tools will be provided) and requires a clean installation.

Q: Can I in-place upgrade my 32-bit OS to 64-bit?

A:
No. You cannot upgrade using a different bit architecture (i.e. 32-bit to 64-bit or vice versa) due to massive differences between both builds in terms of drivers and how software is installed and handled (system files and registry entries go to completely different places so the OS can run 32-bit programs correctly on the 64-bit version). A clean installation is required in these situations.

Q: Can I in-place upgrade from Vista Business to Windows 7 Home Premium?

A:
No, only upgrades to an equal or better equivalent version are allowed.

Q: So if I have Vista Ultimate, I can only do an in-place upgrade install to Windows 7 Ultimate?

A:
Correct.

Windows XP Mode



Q: What is it?

A:
Available as a separate download for Windows 7 Professional or higher, this basically runs a Windows XP Professional with Service Pack 3 Virtual Machine, which is seamlessly integrated into Windows 7 and allows running programs that otherwise wouldn't run on Windows 7.

Note that this does NOT do any fancy DirectX or anything like that. The graphics hardware emulated is an S3 Trio with 64 MEGS of Video RAM. In other words, anything that puts a significant strain on graphics hardware, like games, isn't going to work acceptably if at all; this is a Business-use feature for running old/proprietary software in a corporation that won't work on Vista or 7 natively. If you're a home user, there's a very low chance you would have any use for XP Mode, let alone require it, but for some companies it's a godsend.

Q: What exactly is this for? Why do I want an older OS?

A:
Businesses everywhere rely on software that can't be made to run in Windows Vista/7. Frequently, they will only run on a specific version of Internet Explorer, usually IE6. In many cases, these aren't off-the-shelf programs, but programs specifically commissioned by and programmed for the company, and are almost invariably under budget, rushed, and programmed by a monkey. This fact hurt Microsoft considerably, who saw several businesses "trapped" with Windows XP and for whom upgrading was literally not an option due to their dependence on the horribly-programmed software.

Windows XP Mode seeks to eliminate such issues, allowing businesses and power users alike to upgrade their OSes and gain all sorts of new features and improved security, while still allowing them to run their old, otherwise-incompatible software. This also has the added bonus of allowing software requiring a 32-bit OS to run on Windows 7 64-bit. And, lest we forget, this solution is FREE; alternative solutions require a separate purchase of a Windows XP Pro license.

Q: Any special system requirements for XP Mode?

A:
Not anymore; as of March 18th, the requirement for Hardware Virtualization has been dropped via an update. While having Hardware Virtualization will give you better performance, Windows XP Mode will now work regardless of your processor's features. The download is about 500 megs and installation just over a gig.

Q: So how do I set this up?

A:
After installing, launch "Windows XP Mode" from the "Windows Virtual PC" folder in the Start Menu. Set a password for the default "XPMuser" when asked, set options accordingly. Give it a few minutes to set up the initial image, which by default has Service Pack 3, Internet Explorer 6, and IE7 and IE8 moved into "optional software" on Windows Update. Install your software within this virtual machine, and then log off. Application shortcuts will appear in a subfolder in your Windows 7's "Windows Virtual PC" menu.

If you need a shortcut for something that isn't a program with an install routine (e.g. a program you just unzip, a website URL etc.), create a Windows shortcut (.lnk file) in the XP Mode virtual machine and move it into "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu" in the XP Mode virtual machine.

Note that performance in this VM isn't stellar, don't expect to run anything I/O or processor intensive, this is more of a just making basic stuff work setup. Some other VM software vendors, such as VMware with VMware Player and Workstation, will import an XP Mode VM and may provide additional options.

Software incompatibilities

While Windows 7 has settled in the computer world well and compatibility is excellent, some companies haven't done the necessary tweaks to their software yet to ensure full compatibility. There are some slight UI changes, particularly in the taskbar, that some programs may behave oddly with. In some cases, running them in Vista compatibility mode can fix the problem, but expect updates to several pieces of software in the coming weeks and months that will fix the odd kink and take advantage of the new UI features. Windows 7 is built off the same codebase as Vista, so it's not as major as the upgrade from XP to Vista.

Some software may require special hack-like steps.

There's almost no software (and no "major" software) that works in Windows Vista that flat-out will not work on Windows 7.

Post-RC questions (RTM/Final-related questions)

Q: What about the Express Upgrade program?

A:
If you bought a computer after July 26th with Windows Vista Home Premium or higher, you can get the equivalent version of 7 mailed to you for S&H. Check with your computer manufacturer for details.

Q: So are there a billion versions of this too, just like Vista?

A:
Yes (technically six), but Microsoft has learned from their mistakes and is only actively marketing two versions: Home and Professional. Also, unlike with Vista, where the Home versions and Business were forked (Business didn't have some of Home's features and vice versa), Windows 7 has a straight version-feature progression, meaning Professional has ALL the features of Home Premium, and it's possible to Anytime Upgrade from Home Premium to Professional as a result.

Here are the six versions of Windows 7 (the recommended versions are in bold):

Starter: This is designed for netbooks and is only available pre-installed on certain entry-level netbooks. It has artificial hardware limitations (a RAM and CPU cap), and it's 32-bit only. It also doesn't come with anything fancy like DVD Playback support through Windows Media Player (you can install install another DVD Player program, though). That being said, licenses for it are very cheap, allowing netbook manufacturers to sell really cheap units with it (although some may go for a more advanced version of Windows 7 for more powerful netbooks). Also, Microsoft has backed off from an initial plan to limit the number of programs that could be open simultaneously with this version. This version DOES NOT limit the number of open applications.

Home Basic: This is only available in developing countries. It's like Vista Home Basic: no frills, no out-of-the-box DVD playback, stuff like that. It doesn't have any sort of hardware cap, though, other than RAM, and it's available in a 64-bit version.


Home Premium: This is the "Home" version that's generally available worldwide, preinstalled and in retail stores. Like Vista Home Premium, it has out-of-the-box DVD Playback, Windows Media Center functionality and some extra home use software.

Professional: This is the "Pro" version that's generally available worldwide, preinstalled and in retail stores. This version connects to domains and is the cheapest version of Windows 7 that features the XP Mode mentioned earlier. Unlike Vista Business, Windows 7 Professional includes all the features of Home Premium like Media Center and DVD Playback.


Enterprise and Ultimate: These versions are essentially the same thing, except Enterprise is sold at...enterprises, mainly as part of an Action Pack or Volume Licensing Agreement. Ultimate is its "available to the public" name. Both these versions allow booting from VHDs, and it has MUI support (i.e. every user account can run Windows 7 in a different language). MUI is NOT the same as merely typing in other languages, which is possible in every version of Windows 7; MUI changes the language of the user interface completely and is intended for use in large multi-national corporations that want every computer they run in their business to have the same base install, even across different countries and continents.

Q: OK, how much for each?

A:


EDIT: Upgrading to Windows 8 Pro is $39.99 US until January 31st. Further, Windows 7 Upgrades are no longer being produced and have largely been phased out, especially in Brick and Mortar stores.

U.S. Prices

Home Premium

Upgrade - $119.99 US
Full version - $199.99 US

Professional

Upgrade - $199.99 US
Full version - $299.99 US

Ultimate

Upgrade - $220 US
Full version - $320 US


Canadian prices (some of the regular upgrade prices may not be 100% accurate)

Home Premium

Upgrade - $129.95 CAD
Full version - $224.99 CAD

Professional

Upgrade - $249.95 CAD
Full version - $329.99 CAD

Ultimate

Upgrade - $279.99 CAD
Full version - $349.99 CAD

Q: What do I need to qualify for an upgrade edition of Windows 7?


A:
Windows 7 upgrade editions are valid for upgrading from either Windows XP or Windows Vista. Note that certain types of upgrades, notably from XP to 7, or 32-bit to 64-bit, will require a complete reinstallation of your system, but from a licensing standpoint you'll be validated. See the first questions in the OP for more details about this.

General Windows FAQ

What's the best way to keep my Windows system maintained and clean?

    Do all of your Windows updates to plug any system vulnerabilities. Internet Explorer 7 isn't nearly as bad as previous versions, but an alternative browser like Mozilla Firefox is still recommended. For an anti-spyware, I like MalwareBytes Ant-Malware, but there's also Windows Defender, Ad-Aware, and Spybot S&D. On the anti-virus front, AVG, Avast!, and AntiVir all offer free clients for personal use, while NOD32 is the undisputed king of commercial anti-virus solutions.

    For keeping temporary files clean, Piriform's free CCleaner can't be beat - just watch out for the Yahoo! Toolbar option during install. Lastly, defragment your system drive every once in a while with Windows' built-in defrag program or Piriform's free Defraggler.

    One final note: leave UAC on. Disabling it can create several compatibility issues and make you vulnerable to modern viruses and malware on the internet (and if you think it can't happen to you, a few years back someone embedded a virus in their Something Awful signature that auto-triggered if you loaded a thread he posted in, so the fact that you're reading this makes you vulnerable, keep that poo poo on.)
I notice many system services in the Processes tab of the Task Manager and in the services.msc control panel. Should I disable the ones I don't need to improve performance?

    Don't bother. Disabling many of these services can break low-level Windows functionality, and the gains aren't significant (both as far as performance and memory savings go).
Should I disable my page file? I've got lots of RAM - won't Windows be faster if all of my working data is stored in memory rather than on the hard drive?

    Leave your operating system alone. It almost always knows better than you do.

    Disabling swap space won't actually stop swapping - Windows will still make a pagefile.sys. What you will end up doing by disabling swap is making sure that only private allocations (run-time data) cannot be written to disk. If the operating system decides it needs to free up more physical page frames, it's going to release copies of program text (executable code) instead. You may well end up swapping more than you did before, or the OS may swap things you need sooner, resulting in a performance drop.

    Writing out private allocations is often better, because many programs tend to allocate lots of memory and then not use it fully (or use it frequently). What would you rather have swapped out: data that is never or rarely used, or the executable code of the program you are running?

    Note for Windows Vista users: Microsoft has implemented a new feature called SuperFetch in Windows Vista that effectively accomplishes some of the purported benefits of disabling one's page file. SuperFetch prioritizes the programs you're currently using over background tasks and adapts to the way you work by tracking programs you use most often and preloading them into memory. With SuperFetch, background tasks still run when the computer is idle. However, when the background task is finished, SuperFetch repopulates system memory with the data you were working with before the background task ran. When you return to your desk, your programs will continue to run as efficiently as they did before you left.
    Thanks to Unabomber
Why is Windows telling me I only have ~3 GB of RAM when I have more than that installed?

    32-bit operating systems can only address up to 4 GB of memory. By default, Windows can only address up to ~3GB of physical memory, due to the paging file and video memory. This isn't a Windows limitation, but rather a limit of x86 hardware that has existed ever since the first x86 PC. In order to utilize your extra memory, you have to use a 64-bit operation system, which will obviously require a processor that supports x86-64 (Athlon 64, Athlon X2, Core 2 Duo, later-model P4s and Xeons, etc). Here's a list of memory caps in current versions of Windows:

    Windows XP Professional x64 Edition: 128 GB
    Windows Vista Home Basic 64-bit: 8 GB
    Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit: 16 GB
    Windows Vista Business 64-bit: 128+ GB
    Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit: 128+ GB

    You may have read some things about adding the /PAE switch to your boot.ini in order to force Windows to use that extra GB of RAM that you might have. This is usually a bad idea for a number of reasons. You can read a lot more about the 32-bit memory limit and Windows here: http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm
I want to see who is accessing my shared files in Windows 2000/XP. (Note: This is similar to netwatch from Win9X machines)

This OP is a work in progress, expect sudden changes as more information becomes available. Please post any useful information missing from here and I'll include it.

univbee fucked around with this message at Nov 2, 2012 around 18:27

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You Am I
May 20, 2001

After all this time, still me @ ur poasting



Enjoying Windows 7 RC so far, upgraded it from Vista 64.

ludnix
Jan 8, 2007

Fry it's me! BIGFACE!


Using it on my laptop and main desktop currently. I'm very happy with it so far.

Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend

I'm enjoying Windows 7 so far. I was cursed that sometimes Vista would hang up on stupid poo poo like emptying the recycling bin. Windows 7 performs nicely and boots up about as quick as XP did. And it's pretty.

Anyone who hated Vista for the annoying UAC or general issues in performance should enjoy Windows 7.

Shmoogy
Mar 21, 2007


I installed a dual boot so I can keep my old install of Vista 64, but I only see myself going back when I absolutely need to. Windows 7 is an enjoyable experience and pretty smooth overall.

Had to find a workaround to install my webcam software (Logitech CD wouldn't install because it's not a supported OS)

Everything just kind of works, even my second monitor didn't need me to install my drivers, it set it up automatically and worked really well. UAC isn't such a gigantic pain in the rear end anymore either.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004



in "can I upgrade my current system" might want to fix typo "Also, the results of the upgrade will be upgraded to Microsoft "

and
<3 the 64-bit RC.

Casull
Aug 13, 2005

DJ Wannabe of the Chan of Four


Man, I *just* installed 7077!

I guess I'll download/give it a whirl.

EDIT: Okay, should I even bother? 7077 is pretty good so far.

Casull fucked around with this message at May 16, 2009 around 07:54

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!

Have installed 7100 (and previous versions) on my Dell Studio XPS 13 and my E8400/EP35-DS3/8800GT desktop, and it just feels and looks right! Using it as primary and only OS on both.

Vista drivers can be used, and on older systems some XP drivers might even work.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


Casull posted:

Man, I *just* installed 7077!

I guess I'll download/give it a whirl.

EDIT: Okay, should I even bother? 7077 is pretty good so far.

7077 expires in August, 7100 expires next June.

Casull
Aug 13, 2005

DJ Wannabe of the Chan of Four


fishmech posted:

7077 expires in August, 7100 expires next June.

Welp, I'm sold.

I'm curious about the MUI thing, though: If I got non-ultimate, would that mean that I wouldn't be able to type in Asian languages?

Gain 20 Pounds
Nov 11, 2007



Hey, I'm using WinXP, but I'm looking to Dual-boot this RC. I have an SATA drive with my main XP installation on it, and an IDE drive, set to Slave mode, and broken into two partitions. One is my media, one is empty. Can I install and boot it off the empty slave partition, or do I have to add a partition to my SATA (Master?) drive for it to boot from?

Jobarr
Aug 12, 2000


Casull posted:

Welp, I'm sold.

I'm curious about the MUI thing, though: If I got non-ultimate, would that mean that I wouldn't be able to type in Asian languages?

MUI is just for the language of the interface. I am pretty sure you can still input any language.

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007



Switched from XP to 7100 as my only OS and have no major complaints at the moment.

Everything looks really well put together, and I haven't encountered any bluescreens at all, even on new hardware.

My only issue is getting outdated printers (ie, no vista drivers) to work with it, but I can just live without those, I guess.

Fagatron
Apr 14, 2005
Smegmatron's Bitch

I upgraded from Vista ultimate 64 to RC 7100 and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised at how nice the whole package feels as a whole.

I am however having an absolute bitch of a time with the LAN adapter. It keeps dropping the network and no amount of troubleshooting or new drivers have been able to fix it as of yet :-( .

I haven't heard anyone else with the problem I'm having but just a word of warning.

Apart from that I think it will do well in erasing our memories of the 'Vista Years/Tears'

*UPDATE*
For those who have potentialy encountered the same issue as I did, I have since resolved it. You have to completely uninstall the interface in device manager then reboot the computer allowing windows to reinstall the interface and driver. This is apparently an issue which only seems to occur when performing an upgrade instalation from Vista and dosn't happen when installing from a freshly formatted disc.

Fagatron fucked around with this message at May 18, 2009 around 02:49

Strabo4
Jun 1, 2007

Oh god, I am 'sperging all over this thread too!


Running 7100 64bit right now. I haven't encountered a single bluescreen yet and almost every program has worked. I had XP Pro previously and it feels a lot faster and smoother than it. Looking forward to being able to buy it.

Belgarath
Feb 21, 2003


Have they fixed the bug on laptops where it wouldn't always resume correctly from standby/hibernation?

FistLips
Dec 14, 2004

Must I dream and always see your face?

Strabo4 posted:

Running 7100 64bit right now. I haven't encountered a single bluescreen yet and almost every program has worked. I had XP Pro previously and it feels a lot faster and smoother than it. Looking forward to being able to buy it.

Could you - and anyone else using Win7 right now for that matter - please tell me what programs aren't working? I'm getting a new computer without any OS on it next week and was considering putting Windows 7 on it and using that until it's available for purchase instead of paying for Vista now...

cnrkb
Sep 29, 2008

The internet is
serious business


fishmech posted:

7077 expires in August, 7100 expires next June.
Somewhat right and somewhat wrong; you can't use 7100 after June, but starting from March, you can only use Win7 two hours at a time.

FistLips posted:

Could you - and anyone else using Win7 right now for that matter - please tell me what programs aren't working? I'm getting a new computer without any OS on it next week and was considering putting Windows 7 on it and using that until it's available for purchase instead of paying for Vista now...
Are you using a laptop? Drivers and laptop software might always be an issue, but coming from someone who uses a bit of everything except coding and graphical tools, everything seems to be working. Driver support on Windows 7 is great.

If you already have a computer with a lot of the software you intend to run, download Windows Upgrade Advisor Beta, which will check for programs that might not work on Windows 7 (at least for the time being).

And be advized, everyone, that the torrent versions of Windows 7 are reported to be ridden with malware, trojans or whatnot. Reminiscent of the botnet of Macs which was created by people downloading pirated versions of Photoshop and other warez. You should suffer through Microsoft's download speeds rather than taking the seemingly easy way.

zapateria
Feb 16, 2003


FistLips posted:

Could you - and anyone else using Win7 right now for that matter - please tell me what programs aren't working?

I've been using Win7 on 2 computers at work (one desktop, one laptop) and on my HTPC/gaming PC at home, and I still haven't found any programs that won't work (with a bit of tweaking). Said tweaking usually involves either running in administrator mode (sometimes, first start in admin mode is enough), disabling aero, or hunting down 64 bit patches/versions from the vendors. I have not tried the WinXp mode yet, as it hasn't been necessary. I did experience some problems with the IE8 version that came with Win7, that caused other applications that used browser functions to stop working. This was solved by removing IE from Windows (yes it's possible now) and using Chrome (which also has been working great after the last updates).

4 Day Weekend
Jan 16, 2009


FistLips posted:

Could you - and anyone else using Win7 right now for that matter - please tell me what programs aren't working? I'm getting a new computer without any OS on it next week and was considering putting Windows 7 on it and using that until it's available for purchase instead of paying for Vista now...

I've been using Windows 7 for a week and the only problem is that Chrome crashes on some web pages inexplicably.

Sparkyhodgo
Jun 21, 2003
Long potato

univbee posted:

Baldur's Gate 2

Believe it or not, this could be a deal breaker for me.

FistLips
Dec 14, 2004

Must I dream and always see your face?

Zuffox posted:

Are you using a laptop?...

If you already have a computer with a lot of the software you intend to run, download Windows Upgrade Advisor Beta, which will check for programs that might not work on Windows 7 (at least for the time being).

I mainly use my Macbook for browsing, IM and such (plus I'll be going back to school this fall, so some word processing). Right now I only have Windows XP in a VM on it. The machine I'll be purchasing will be a desktop (This one, in fact) and will mostly be used for video and music, and the occasional game.

Zuffox posted:

And be advized, everyone, that the torrent versions of Windows 7 are reported to be ridden with malware, trojans or whatnot. Reminiscent of the botnet of Macs which was created by people downloading pirated versions of Photoshop and other warez. You should suffer through Microsoft's download speeds rather than taking the seemingly easy way.

Yeah, I downloaded the RC straight from Microsoft - don't quite get why you'd download an OS from an unsecure source when you can get the same thing for free from the people that make it, even if it might be a bit faster...

Thanks for answers to you others, too!

Warthog
Mar 8, 2004
Ferkelwämser extraordinaire

Gain 20 Pounds posted:

Hey, I'm using WinXP, but I'm looking to Dual-boot this RC. I have an SATA drive with my main XP installation on it, and an IDE drive, set to Slave mode, and broken into two partitions. One is my media, one is empty. Can I install and boot it off the empty slave partition, or do I have to add a partition to my SATA (Master?) drive for it to boot from?

I noticed quite a speed increase when I switched Windows 7 from an old SATA drive to a new one. In the performance Index, my HDD was the bottleneck scoring 3.1 points with the rest being at 5.9.

In short: Your HDD will be your system's bottleneck either way. Don't be mad at Windows 7 for that ;-)

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

FistLips posted:

Yeah, I downloaded the RC straight from Microsoft - don't quite get why you'd download an OS from an unsecure source when you can get the same thing for free from the people that make it, even if it might be a bit faster...

Because they weren't full of any malware and you could check the hashes against what people who had officially downloaded it posted to verify it's authenticity.

nimper
Jun 19, 2003

livin' in a hopium den

big mean giraffe posted:

Because they weren't full of any malware and you could check the hashes against what people who had officially downloaded it posted to verify it's authenticity.

Plus it downloads faster.

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

nimper posted:

Plus it downloads faster.

And you could get it much sooner than it was publically released by MS.

-Dethstryk-
Oct 20, 2000


Reposting since I assume this is the new thread since for some gently caress reason the other one isn't closed:

Finally saw my first Windows 7 blue screens since I started using the beta months ago when it first came out (I'm currently on the RC). Fallout 3 last night made my machine give a MEMORY_MANAGEMENT error screen once while playing last night, and once right after quitting the game.

Since it's Fallout 3, I'm not going to sweat it. I just find it funny that it took that buggy game to finally bring the OS down.

General Emergency
Apr 2, 2009

Can we talk?

Sparkyhodgo posted:

Believe it or not, this could be a deal breaker for me.

No worries. Set it on XP compatibility and give write permission to the Baldur's Gate 2 folder in case it's missing and it'll work just fine.

The Merkinman
Apr 22, 2007

I sell only quality merkins. What is a merkin you ask? Why, it's a wig for your genitals!

univbee
Maybe put a link in the OP to the SecurAble application so unsure users can check for 64bit and/or Hardware Virtualization capabilities of their processor.

Network
Sep 16, 2008


I only have 2gb of ram right now, is it worth is to buy an extra stick of 1gb ram so I can run Windows 7 as smoothly as windows xp right now?

deadEd
Feb 19, 2001


The Merkinman posted:

univbee
Maybe put a link in the OP to the SecurAble application so unsure users can check for 64bit and/or Hardware Virtualization capabilities of their processor.

It is there already, under the "Special Requirements for XP Mode" section.

Storm-
Jan 7, 2007

You win some, you lose some... then you lose some more.



I have an Asus nForce4 motherboard, and noticed that the drivers on the Nvidia website are now legacy drivers that only go as far as Vista, no Win7. Same for Asus' website. Will Vista version work? Planning on using the 64-bit version, if it matters.

Otherwise I'm ready to upgrade, I don't really use any special programs or hardware that could cause me problems.

xamphear
Apr 9, 2002

SILK FOR CALDÉ!

Storm- posted:

I have an Asus nForce4 motherboard, and noticed that the drivers on the Nvidia website are now legacy drivers that only go as far as Vista, no Win7. Same for Asus' website. Will Vista version work? Planning on using the 64-bit version, if it matters.

Otherwise I'm ready to upgrade, I don't really use any special programs or hardware that could cause me problems.
I would be shocked if you had to install any motherboard/chipset drivers at all. They're probably baked right into the install CD.

The Merkinman
Apr 22, 2007

I sell only quality merkins. What is a merkin you ask? Why, it's a wig for your genitals!

deadEd posted:

It is there already, under the "Special Requirements for XP Mode" section.

Gah, my history made it black so it blended in.

Well it should be under the 32/64bit part too

Casull
Aug 13, 2005

DJ Wannabe of the Chan of Four


Fagatron posted:

I upgraded from Vista ultimate 64 to RC 7100 and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised at how nice the whole package feels as a whole.

I am however having an absolute bitch of a time with the LAN adapter. It keeps dropping the network and no amount of troubleshooting or new drivers have been able to fix it as of yet :-( .

I haven't heard anyone else with the problem I'm having but just a word of warning.

Apart from that I think it will do well in erasing our memories of the 'Vista Years/Tears'

Actually, I'm getting something similar: my wifi card, a Linksys WMP54 card, has been dropping packets despite showing a "connected to network" thing. Still, that may be just my crappy card, but it sucks because my old card, an internal Intel 2200 card, was doing somewhat well.

gwar3k1
Jan 10, 2005

Someday soon

Has anything changed in regards to gadget installation? I can't even get a hello world gadget (as per the MSDN example) to install. I've created a .gadget folder with a gadget.xml and .html file inside, zipped it (removing .zip extension) and double clicking on the icon. Nothing's happening.

The only development stuff I can find is for Vista's sidebar gadgets which indicate no change in the W7 development process. I did find a site suggesting setting the charset will break the gadget (so I removed it from the example code) and that still doesn't make it work.

I looked in the installed gadgets folder and found that there are language folders, so I made that change too and still not working.

I downloaded a gadget from the Windows 7 experience site which came packaged as an MSI. Is this how gadgets are installed now? The last time I made one, it was a case of zipping the folder and double clicking it.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


gwar3k1 posted:

Has anything changed in regards to gadget installation? I can't even get a hello world gadget (as per the MSDN example) to install. I've created a .gadget folder with a gadget.xml and .html file inside, zipped it (removing .zip extension) and double clicking on the icon. Nothing's happening.

The only development stuff I can find is for Vista's sidebar gadgets which indicate no change in the W7 development process. I did find a site suggesting setting the charset will break the gadget (so I removed it from the example code) and that still doesn't make it work.

I looked in the installed gadgets folder and found that there are language folders, so I made that change too and still not working.

I downloaded a gadget from the Windows 7 experience site which came packaged as an MSI. Is this how gadgets are installed now? The last time I made one, it was a case of zipping the folder and double clicking it.

I've only had issues installing Gadgets when UAC was disabled.

They are the same .gadget format as Vista I believe.

Storm-
Jan 7, 2007

You win some, you lose some... then you lose some more.



xamphear posted:

I would be shocked if you had to install any motherboard/chipset drivers at all. They're probably baked right into the install CD.

I figured as much, it's just that I'm using onboard audio so don't wanna end up with no sound or something. It's just a habit, I got used to using Nvidia's drivers and thinking if I can't set up something in the Windows control panel regarding sound, I can always muck around in the NvMixer although they pretty much do the same thing. I'm a silly person.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004

Let's maintain dazzling beer indefinitely.


Thanks for letting me know of a few adjustments, guys, OP updated.

Sparkyhodgo posted:

Believe it or not, this could be a deal breaker for me.

I put a question mark after it because it was something one person mentioned in the last thread kind of in passing. I'll try it later today, as I have the 64-bit RC installed, but I don't have hardware virtualization on this computer so I can't test if it'd work with that.

In any case, that whole game series is the kind of thing that I'm guessing will either work in the final by fixing some random thing not fixed in the RC, or someone out there will hack a way to get it working.

univbee fucked around with this message at May 16, 2009 around 18:06

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deadEd
Feb 19, 2001


Installed a few hours ago, amazed at how seamless it was. Between the install disk and Windows Update, everything on my laptop (HP dv2622ca) except for my touchpad had drivers installed and ready (and the Vista drivers worked perfect for the touchpad). Runs wonderful and I really do love the new taskbar setup too.

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