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Eh...I should play the update now. Calling it for A1, noting a heavy B vote.
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Vicky II is never quite as fun as when you're putting the screws to some assholes who really have it coming. Much like real Victorian politics! Update probably tomorrow, possibly Wednesday. Major, major events.
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Beamed posted:The bugs in Victoria 2 that still exist really got to me in my recent games. Between that and the combat system still being bugged from EU3: In Nomine, despite being almost fixed in EU4, it drives me nuts. Ehh? What combat system bugs are these? (Note that the latest Victoria 2 expansion came out some time before EU4, so there's no reason that fixes in the latter should be in the former.)
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PleasingFungus posted:Ehh? What combat system bugs are these? Invincible regiments occasionally appear, including to the point where you literally can't attack enemy artillery, so you're taking casualties while they just shrug it off.. armies with artillery generally being unable to be wiped. These are things Johan had me sending him save games for back in In Nomine, and still seeing it in Vicky 2 is just kind of frustrating. It happens seemingly randomly.
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 I told you! I told you all! A free press is merely a nest of vipers poised to strike at the throat of Bavarian glory. B1. Russia is useless, maybe Garibaldi can come through for us. The North Germans can be dealt with in time, but Austria holds lands which are essential to properly asserting our place as the natural rival of the NGF.
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Chapter VI: The South German Federation (January 1, 1869-July 6th, 1875) You can't make fun of those who are less fortunate than yourself, especially when Bavarian bankruptcy is within living memory. Do you think that anyone ten years ago thought we'd be here today, ready to watch Kaiser Ludwig's coronation as Emperor of South Germany? It all started with Britain's vain, overconfident bid to free Poland from Russian hands...    If London had just given in and given the Tsar the few acres of snow near Canada that he demanded, we wouldn't have this glorious opportunity. As it was, Franz Josef thought that Alexander II was being presumptuous and sided with the British despite his reservations about the idea of liberating Poland, and Austrian backing lent Britain the confidence it needed to take on the Russians, French, and Dutch simultaneously.  Remember when Kaiserslauten was a prosperous town with over 110,000 workers? Yeah...today there are fewer than half that. It's a shame how that happened.  Giuseppe Garibaldi continued his simultaneous coups in the Duchies of Parma and Lucca, racing to see which of the two would be seized first.  Damned liquor tax. Why must we pay more to discourage us from drinking? This is the consequence of rich women with too few responsibilities sticking their noses in politics.   It was about that time, as I recall, that we started to hear that the Lithuanians in our midst were still Germans like the rest of us...just...special Germans. I suppose they'll say the same about the Czechs now. Of course, politicians have gained favor by criticizing the soon-to-be-Kaiser of coddling these foreigners and allowing them into our country. This blind demagoguery will have bad results some day, mark my words.    The British military was quite powerful, and, for once, actually fended off a French invasion of the Home Isles. Their Austrian allies hoped that they'd keep the French and Dutch occupied and sent all their forces out to meet the Russians. The Austrians chose...poorly.       Us? We stayed on the sidelines. We were duty-bound by treaty not to war with Austria until 1872, after all, so there wasn't much we could do. We developed our industry, built a very oddly-located stock exchange in the middle of the most rural part of our homeland, and invited bold new philosophers and artists to Munich.  France did not oblige Austria. Stymied in their attempts to penetrate the British Isles, the French army invaded Austria from the west while the Austrian army remained on the Russian border.   Someone should impose order in Latin America and end the senseless bloodshed.  Throwing good money after bad.    The systematic destruction of the Austrian military over the course of a mere six months was utterly incredible to watch.  The Russians smelled blood in the water, but London refused to sell out Vienna and make peace.  Utterly broken, Austria lay prostrate before its invaders.   Too little, too late from Egypt, a mangled corpse of an empire. Ditto the Ottomans.   Our new philosophers helped us rapidly regain our lost prestige. We would have been a Great Power again already, but someone beat us to it.   Giuseppe Garibaldi succeeded in his lifelong dream of forming a unified Italy under the rule of King Vittorio Emanuele II of Piedmont Sardinia.  Count Cavour, the King's Minister, decided to celebrate by giving Garibaldi's hometown of Nizza and the House of Savoy's family holdings of Savoie to France for no explicable reason. Garibaldi's tragic suicide and his note "What the hell, Cavour?" is still the stuff of song and legend.  How can you even have a demonstration in a city that's been run by a rampant rebel mob for the past 5 years?  It felt good to see Austria crumble. Perhaps the dream of annexing the Habsburg Empire intact was not a fantasy?  I ran into Ibsen just the other day, in fact. Bleak fellow, as cold as his native Norway.  Whatever happens/We have got/Machine Gun Armament/And they get shot. I believe that's how the verse goes, correct me if I'm wrong.  Dammit, I almost had it.   The discovery of Analytic Philosophy put us over. Once again considered the world center of culture, Bavaria was once again a rising power, though Austria would not surrender its seat until its war ended.  The war's end looked as though it could be very painful indeed.  Naturally, we refused to raise the wealth criteria for voting. That would be outrageous.  Bimetallism seems shaky. A friendly gentleman has told me of the perils of state currency and has alerted me to this new, totally reliable currency called "Greenbacks" put out by the United States, and they seem to be going up, up, up.   This war was utterly pointless. NGF sought to take Baden back from Austria's sphere into its own, and, of course, succeeded. They could have waited.   Did I say I wouldn't boast or feel superior to the bankrupt? I lied.  The famed National Banks of Switzerland.  I'm a representational man, myself. I like to understand what I'm looking at. King Ludwig disagrees.  Fish and chips wrapper? No, I'm using my copy of the Bavarian Red Star as lining for my birdcage.    For some reason the state determined that our lack of psychological experience was a national security threat and ordered the development of all the psychological advances up to modern standards. I don't quite understand why...the explanation of "we can't discover Expressionist Music without Experimental Psychology" seemed a bizarre non-sequitur.   Italia Irredentia, they say. They give away Savoy and Nice for no reason whatsoever and proclaim themselves irredentists. Sure.   It was nice to be appreciated again. Austria looked like someone had taken a bite out of it, but it's not like East Galicia is going to be one of the top sources of the fuel of the 20th century or anything. Let Russia deal with raving hordes of Ukrainians, Poles, and Jews vying for supremacy in    Britain didn't fare quite so well. Its military had been reduced to token levels and it had been prohibited from building any replacements for five years, which expires in 1877 and is still in effect to this day! In addition, up until that date, it has to pay 50% of its income in war reparations to the Russians, French, and Dutch. To deal with its reduced ability to manage its affairs, the British spun off Australia as a self-governing dominion.   Surprising no one, the King of Italy reclaimed Venetia. Luckily, he did not claim Sudtirol, Istria, or the Dalmatian coastline. Austria was out of Italy, though it was not out of what the new regime in Rome saw as "Italy."   Travnacore fell out of British power as its traditionalist revolt broke the state of its British vassalage, and it rapidly fell under French influence instead. The British replied by centralizing their authority elsewhere in India.   The raving bourgeois hordes of Berlin saw through our plan to talk Austria and Baden into a new confederation and would have none of it. Fortunately, with Russia by our side, this war was distinctly winnable. Ludwig was so confident he refused to even summon up the reserves...we would fight the North Germans with our professional army alone.   Offensive warfare was a bad call in the age of Machine Guns, a new strategy was called for. The public, infuriated by the failures of the early days of the war, demanded reform, and reform Ludwig gave them, ending the double votes for the wealthy in elections.    Everyone remembers the three Battles of Nuremburg, but Miklas (God rest his soul) proved his mettle in the first and second, especially.  Miklas had victories elsewhere, too, but the Nuremburg defense was his greatest moment.   Our defense raced to catch up with our offensive prowess.  We talk about the war as if it was our victory alone, but the Russians bled and died and bore the brunt of the combat, and Switzerland participated as well.  Miklas' tragic death at 3rd Nuremburg overshadowed it, but the massive victory at Bayreuth cemented our victory in the war.  No, I haven't had time to catch an opera in Paris lately. Maybe once all the turmoil quiets down.     Yes, Miklas' shoes are hard to fill, but I have a good feeling about our new officers.   I have a theory. Reactionaries are treacherous, undermining our nation, while Jacobins are the greatest patriots of all. How's that? The Reactionaries rose up to immediately fight our troops, while the Jacobins rose up where the NGF troops were, fighting valiantly for their rights and dying at the hands of the foreign occupiers.  Why would anyone follow in the NGF's footsteps?  We did occasionally lose battles, even towards the end of the war.  We paid them back in spades.  Our boys are the best soldiers in the world. That's not an exaggeration. That's a fact.   Our two Socialist Parties are rumored to have merged. Seeing as how their meeting in public remains illegal, I don't see how it could be a problem.  Do I like Wagner? Are you kidding? I bought this piano just to play my favorite bits from Siegfried! You know, there was a man there at Bayreuth with an impressive mustache saying that he was going to write a book on how Wagner betrayed his anti-rationalist, Romantic roots with his return to Christian ethos and an abandonment of neo-paganism. How did that man make it past security, he was clearly a vagrant of some sort.  Welcome to the family of civilized nations, Liberia.  Yes, there was a Fourth Nuremburg, but because Miklas was dead they didn't honor it as such.  Vienna, a wartorn hellscape, where rats gnaw on corpses in the streets and riotous mobs break the windows of the few factories that still remain open. I can see why they'd call the people rebuilding the city the Founders.   North Germany finally recognized the supremacy of Bavarian interests in south Germany. Ludwig had achieved his lifelong dream, the dream of his father. He was the head of the South German Federation.    Of course, could a state that contained the remnants of the Habsburg Empire truly be called "German" if it was only 41% German? Apparently Ludwig has an announcement about that.  Kaiser Ludwig I of the South German Federation posted:
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Whatever happens we have got to get rid of that Russian border, may as well go B3.
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B-4. That border with Russia is hideous and ugly.
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B3, something something pretty borders.
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B2 Hungary can have their crappy land, we've got more Germans to subjugate 
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For the record, B looks like this: Note that we still have a border with Russia via West Galicia. I'm personally fine with that, but you might not be. The problem is, to get rid of West Galicia, we'd need to...release Poland. Which would look really dumb. I could save edit and cede West Galicia to Krakow, but I'd prefer not to do that. EDIT: Also note that we keep the Dalmatian coast. This is not a problem. Hungary is our vassal and we'd have total free movement through it.
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B-3, with a minor change or two. Perhaps we should see if our Russian friends would be willing to assist us in creating an independent Galician state as a buffer to avoid any possible friction between themselves and our new Hungarian vassals? (i.e. save-edit to give the land to whoever needs it for this). I would also state that we should keep the entirety of Dalmatia, not merely the southern portion of it. The Hungarians are welcome to Croatia and Slavonia, certainly, but I refuse to cede my delightful summer home in Zadar. And Pressburg should be ours as well. As for reforms, I believe a health care system would be best. More Germans means more workers, after all, and we need those. For a somewhat more long-term suggestion in regards to foreign policy, I do have two. First, I would request we make inquiries with the fine gentlemen in the French and Italian governments as to the prospect of a partition of Switzerland between ourselves. It does seem a rather unnatural state, after all, all those different ethnicities together without one superior to the others. So many fine Germans to liberate. Second, I would recommend we seek a quiet agreement with Russia to aid them in the seizure of East and West Prussia in exchange for our own seizure of the Rhineland and Palatinate. Or Silesia, I suppose; we do have a claim to them through our Austrian inheritance. Now that we have a coastline, does his highness have any plans to acquire colonies?
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Patter Song posted:For the record, B looks like this: It's cute, it's like we've got our own faux East Prussia.  As for the Dalmatian coast just take some land from the Ottomans and then give that state and the coastline to the Serbians.
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The Sandman posted:B-3, with a minor change or two. Not keeping Pressburg, Slovakia's either going with Hungary or with Slovakia, depending on how people vote. Croatia is an interesting case. I dislike Hungary's little jut out to the sea as well and I'm willing to consider ceding those provinces to us, but making Hungary landlocked seems silly. Russia's East Galicia is probably the savviest move they could have made. It's going to be overflowing with oil in a few decades and they aren't going to give it up for a buffer state. It's currently overflowing with angry, angry Ukrainians who might contaminate the rest of their more subdued Ukrainians, but Russia knows how to deal with that. Russia's also utterly exhausted after two brutal meat-grinder wars with large German armies and half of its empire looks on the verge of revolt...expect a Crisis on Finnish Liberation soon. All of Finland is blood-red on the crisis map. Possibilities for West Galicia include releasing a Poland that's just West Galicia, presumably with editing in an event for the Free City of Krakow to join. This possibility seems incredibly dumb, but it has the advantage of having Poland start rabble-rousing in NGF and Russia for the return of its other territories. Other possibilities include ceding West Galicia to Krakow. This is...silly, but it creates a totally neutral buffer state between us and Russia. Finally, we could just keep West Galicia, pretty borders be damned. We're to the part of history where defensive, trench warfare is the wave of the future, and having a razor-thin border with Russia where we could line up huge stacks of entrenched infantry might be a major advantage. We'll discuss the fate of West Galicia a bit later, after we settle Hungary. quote:Now that we have a coastline, does his highness have any plans to acquire colonies? It's a possibility. We, as yet, do not have anything resembling a navy, though we did inherit a few naval bases from Austria. We're also out of colonial range from most of Africa. If we truly wanted an empire in Africa we'd have to act quickly, invade and annex Tunis, and then start colonizing down through the Sahara. If this sounds profoundly stupid and kind of pathetic, it is and it's reminiscent of Italy's IRL strategy (though in that case we'd attack the Ottomans for their Libyan coastline and proceed from there). There are, however, colonies that aren't in Africa that we can go after. Dai Viet is famously rich in natural resources, as is Cambodia. Yemen is a fine refueling port and has opium. Korea is rich in heavy industrial goods. France has been negligent about their decision to annex Madagascar and with a little work we could beat them to the punch. There are options. Patter Song fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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That was some drat fine opportunism if I ever seen any. B3. ZearothK fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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B3 Healthcare is the most important reform and B makes the 2 germanies look like it has a dragon's head
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Shame, that light blue section of Europe looked so nice! It's a pity game mechanics make A such an undesirable route. Voting B-3, for that precious POP growth. Patter Song, you are really doing a thoroughly good job with this thread. I like how well you establish a tone in the story segments, plus it's always great to see people follow through with the audience participation like you've been doing. One of my favorite parts of Paradox games is seeing how the world changes and turns out in the end, so I appreciate the more global updates or notes about world events - and you do a great job presenting them in story without breaking character. This thread really makes me want to start playing Victoria II again, but it just takes up so much time...
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CatsPajamas posted:Patter Song, you are really doing a thoroughly good job with this thread. I like how well you establish a tone in the story segments, plus it's always great to see people follow through with the audience participation like you've been doing. One of my favorite parts of Paradox games is seeing how the world changes and turns out in the end, so I appreciate the more global updates or notes about world events - and you do a great job presenting them in story without breaking character. I appreciate that. I enjoy some of the more bizarre things in the world myself. Bolivia constantly taking more and more land off of Argentina every time Argentina tries to invade and reclaim the land it lost in the last war is always good for a laugh, and Mexico inviting in Maximilian von Habsburg only to overthrow him for being insufficiently Reactionary was delightful. I peek in on all the major countries after each update to see what's going on and what their society is like. It's usually good for a laugh. At the moment, the USA is trying to subdue a half-million man Anarcho-Liberal revolution, for example.
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B3 Also would like to echo that I really enjoy the different feels of the story segments.
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C2 I don't like the size of that Greater Hungary– it could become a secondary power in its own right, and that would be a major nuisance if it escaped our sphere somehow. So long as you cede that bit of Galicia to Poland in the event that it forms from Russia, then I'm fine with keeping it for now.
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C2 Maximum Balkans, and there being a proper path for people to let off steam via. What's not to like? And a great long stretch of land for the russian army to be ground down on, assuming they don't split a lot due to rebels or something.
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C3 The Illitrate savages we have incorporated would do better governing themselves. This leaves the states large enough to make "convincing" them to build certain factories to indirectly boost our economy attractive, while at the same time leaving them small enough to prevent them from threatening us. As well as avoiding that whole "ethnic strife" thing. Healthcare is the least our citizens deserve after heroically rising up against the north german menace! Except the reactionaries gently caress those guys. It also warms my heart to see the UK get repeatedly invaded.
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Patter Song posted:I peek in on all the major countries after each update to see what's going on and what their society is like. It's usually good for a laugh. At the moment, the USA is trying to subdue a half-million man Anarcho-Liberal revolution, for example. Ron Paul 1888 And I suppose I might as well vote. C3 - let's free the long-oppressed peoples of the Balkans, and give our own people affordable healthcare covering pre-existing conditions, while we're at it.
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...Apparently, if I release a country, it gets all of my technology. And all of the related inventions. This means that my satellites will all beat me to Expressionist Music and Expressionist Literature. Somehow. There are just some very enthusiastic Hungarian and Ruthenian composers and writers. It also means that Hungary will start off at #13. Maybe I'll have to manually edit it so that they don't get Expressionism with the rest of their techs. Hungary as proposed in B would be 12.7% South German. Since my fluff is that Franz Josef is going to be King of Hungary, I think I'll just give them South German as an Accepted Culture. Here's plan C. 
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B2 We will create a powerful and friendly vassal while defusing the ethnic powder keg we are currently sitting on. As for the political parties, let them rally. Under supervision, of course. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer and all that. Magni fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Jan 8, 2014 |
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C3 I just think C looks prettier. I'd like it more if the Romanian nations could somehow agree to unify.
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Rejected Fate posted:C3 If either Wallachia or Moldavia is overthrown by Romanian Pan-Nats, the one that is overthrown is annexed by the other one, which becomes Romania. Sadly, it wouldn't invite our puppet Transylvania into the mix.
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Jan 8, 2014 07:35
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Semquais posted:B 3
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Sindai posted:C3 for maximum Balkans. This as well. Is there any chance we can stop a larger Hungary forming after partition?
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Could you give a basic rundown on the fun that would ensue if we kept all of it, and how long/what it would take to get rid of the rebels?
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What kind of South Germans are you? Sure, they're lands full of Slovaks, Magyars and whatnots now, but they can be turned into Germans with the right policies! A 3
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