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So we found out that not only has the NSA been spying on Germans for reasons, not to mention the illegal capture of messages of our head of state. No, the NSA has been paying members of our intelligence service money to spy on us. I am re evaluating Nato membership right now. Willy brandt http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28160767 demonicon fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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Have fun checking the Russian menace on your own m
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Jul 6, 2014 22:02
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*shits*
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Jul 6, 2014 22:03
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german here; no one outside of germany gives a gently caress, op.
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Jul 6, 2014 22:04
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in world war 3 america is the nazis
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Jul 6, 2014 22:04
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gggiiimmmppp posted:in world war 3 america is the nazis I would play this video game.
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Jul 6, 2014 22:08
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Hey Deutschland if you send me those cool rear end eurobucks and weapons and advisers I will start a local insurgency so they don't have time to spy on the fatherland.
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Jul 6, 2014 22:10
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Katana Gomai posted:german here; no one outside of germany gives a gently caress, op. It's almost as if the country in europe with the highest population, the highest gdp, and the highest contributor of manpower in the Nato is totally uninteresting to the us
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Jul 6, 2014 22:10
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NSA just doesn't give a gently caress
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Jul 6, 2014 22:10
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Helpimscared posted:NSA just doesn't give a gently caress Must be since we already pissed off the Germans and we're still spying on them
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Jul 6, 2014 22:13
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as an american, this bothers me less than nsa spying on americans
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Jul 6, 2014 22:14
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Helpimscared posted:NSA just doesn't give a gently caress Yeah but don't come crying when we stop seeing Nato as allies
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Jul 6, 2014 22:15
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lol if you don't think everyone spies on everyone.
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Jul 6, 2014 22:18
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mango sentinel posted:lol if you don't think everyone spies on everyone. Lol if you accept this as normal
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Jul 6, 2014 22:19
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demonicon posted:Lol if you accept this as normal It is.
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america just has the worst most incompetent spies in the world
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Jul 6, 2014 22:21
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The Intelligence establishment in the US doesn't trust Angela Merkel because she was raised in East Germany and they are terrified she will align with Moscow. Blowback? Never heard of it.
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Jul 6, 2014 22:21
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demonicon posted:Yeah but don't come crying when we stop seeing Nato as allies oh no what will we do without the mighty wehrmacht
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Jul 6, 2014 22:25
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demonicon posted:Lol if you accept this as normal It totally is normal and has been done by literally every world government since the dawn of civilization and you're a completely naive scrub if you didn't realize this. The only thing that changed here are the technology levels and the red-handedness of it
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Jul 6, 2014 22:29
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Like I'm pretty sure that even random central american countries have spies based in Antwerp and Paris for no goddamn reason. It just happens.
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Jul 6, 2014 22:32
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Whenever I hear about the nsa spying on non-Americans I feel slightly aroused.
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Jul 6, 2014 22:33
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IMO if Germany leaves NATO it takes the entire EU with it because Germany has created the 4th Economic Reich.
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Jul 6, 2014 22:33
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Big Beef City posted:Like I'm pretty sure that even random central american countries have spies based in Antwerp and Paris for no goddamn reason. It just happens. also lolling how D&D types are outraged by the fact that yes allied countries still spy on each other.
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Jul 6, 2014 22:33
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gggiiimmmppp posted:in world war 3 america is the nazis
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Jul 6, 2014 22:34
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the nsa revelations werent stunning because of the spying on national leaders and targeted espionage. what was hosed up and unprecedented is the attempt by the nsa to surveil and collect literally every person's electronic communications. that is new, and it is hosed up. the end of privacy is the issue imo
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Jul 6, 2014 22:50
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my shameful scheisse porn and 50000 hours on gabelstapler simulator secret
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Jul 6, 2014 22:55
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also i would hope the germans have a better understanding that state surveillance isnt harmless and i imagine east german apologists during the cold war probably made the same "well if you have nothing to hide!!" arguments
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Jul 6, 2014 22:56
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Groundbreaking intel THS. Shocking revelation today that water is wet.
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Big Beef City posted:Groundbreaking intel THS. i care
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i'm glad that the nsa is so good at their job
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THS posted:the nsa revelations werent stunning because of the spying on national leaders and targeted espionage. what was hosed up and unprecedented is the attempt by the nsa to surveil and collect literally every person's electronic communications. that is new, and it is hosed up. the end of privacy is the issue imo Also that places such as the UK and Germany were doing NSA style intensive data mining on their citizens.
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Jul 6, 2014 23:06
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demonicon posted:So we found out that not only has the NSA been spying on Germans for reasons, not to mention the illegal capture of messages of our head of state. No, the NSA has been paying members of our intelligence service money to spy on us. I am re evaluating Nato membership right now. ...miss the communists yet
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Jul 6, 2014 23:07
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Smoking Crow posted:...miss the communists yet at least they were like "hell yeah were spying on u" none of this subterfuge bullshit
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etalian posted:Also that places such as the UK and Germany were doing NSA style intensive data mining on their citizens. this is not like my american eurotrips at all
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The Brown Menace posted:my 50000 hours on gabelstapler simulator secret lol
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Jul 6, 2014 23:16
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As a german, quite frankly seeing as how things go, aligning with moscow is in germanys best interest and also something that will happen more and more in the future. Merkel actually did a good job screwing a lot of work here up that Schröder laid down. Also I'm convinced that we spy on the americans in equal measure. It's just idiot american NSA getting caught over and over again. What I'm saying is, enjoy your isolation USA.
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Jul 6, 2014 23:45
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lol literally no one gives a gently caress about this in the US and really we shouldn't
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Police Automaton posted:As a german, quite frankly seeing as how things go, aligning with moscow is in germanys best interest and also something that will happen more and more in the future. Merkel actually did a good job screwing a lot of work here up that Schröder laid down. lol at this
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Russia is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet and anyone who thinks they are sticking it to the USA for "spying" by allying with Russia is a retard.
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Its 2015 and Germany is welcoming back the stasi w open arms 
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