Crawl 0.15: Terrifying, Ever-Gnashing Radulae

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Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Sage Grimm posted:

- Distorted <foo>
- Banish the Haters
- Abysmal Planewalkers/Corruptors/etc
- Wriggling Masses of Primal Chaos (ADOM callback)
- Abyssal Apostles Anonymous

It's Writhing Masses of Primal Chaos, I think.

(It gets my vote, though, not that I'm on the team)

# ¿ Aug 28, 2014 15:48

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# ¿ May 20, 2024 06:14

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

The Mattybee posted:

Why can my flesh rot away while I'm a tree?

Wood rots too.

# ¿ Aug 29, 2014 06:48

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Sage Grimm posted:

More good team names this tournament:

Xom like it Zot
Tengu Barada Nikto
Before You Rune You Gotta Crawl

And then there's this not as good team name but their players are doing a thing

cashews are a good source of healthy fats perfect for complimenting a plant-based diet
cheibrodos (captain), cheibrahdos, cheibroheem, cheibrology, cheibrotimus, cheibruu

My favourite is currently More than a Felid, personally. As soon as I saw it I went to play Boston because I'm not a barbarian.

# ¿ Aug 29, 2014 18:16

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

hito posted:

Three thoughts about Death Knights:

1.) When you play a Death Knight you play bizzaro-crawl where Spider without rPois is still easier than Shoals.

2.) Wands of Draining are super great for Death Knights since it lets you give supporting fire through your minions when a particularly nice gift/soul is in danger.

3.) Feature request: Please give Enslaved Souls their spell lists visible in the describe menu, since they still have spells. It's kinda weird that I can x-v to learn what Norris does but then when he becomes Slave Norris I have to use the wiki.

1) I always hate Shoals.

3) Yes please. This is a thing I have encountered also and it always annoyed me so I'll definitely second it.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2014 19:31

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Angry Diplomat posted:

Just in case anyone else doesn't know this, you can hit the \ key to meticulously customize what you do and do not want to autopickup. Autograb every javelin you ever see! Ignore the seventh and eighth and ninth ring of regeneration you encounter! Stop picking up potions of blood what the gently caress you're not a vampire! Ignore wands of magic darts! Collect evokables! Don't pick up scrolls of summoning as an Okawarite! The possibilities are basically limitless, much like the reduction in tedium and annoyance!!

You should definitely pick up scrolls of summoning as an Okawarite. (He hasn't cared about followers dying since before 0.14 - I think 0.14 was the first full version where he didn't, but it might have been 0.13.)

I do love \ to (not) collect all sorts of use[less/ful] things, though. (I've never been clear why it thinks I need so many duplicates of some rings.)

Prism fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Sep 2, 2014

# ¿ Sep 2, 2014 16:24

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

PleasingFungus posted:

you know non-vampires still get nutrition from blood potions

Doesn't it cure some low amount of HP rot on ghouls, too?

# ¿ Sep 2, 2014 16:27

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Jeffrey posted:

You can speed up the animations by setting the "view_delay" field, which defaults to 600 - I don't know if this works for everything and I'm hesitant to say anything concretely because I have not tried it myself.

EDIT: While we're talking about cool commands that we spend forever not knowing about, I played for a long time without using ctrl+G, always cycling through the X maps to go to different floors. I'm...glad it's there.

I'm not at a place I can check right now, what's the difference between control-G and shift-G for going to other floors?

# ¿ Sep 2, 2014 17:08

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Angry Diplomat posted:

That was probably the funniest goddamn ascension I've ever seen.

Win brainless or don't win at all.

It's very Zen. Act without thought.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2014 02:58

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

PleasingFungus posted:

This was a little rambly.

A few tentative corrections: monsters do use weapon delay roughly like players do, from what I understand. It's just that they never have any weapon skill, and so always attack at the base delay of the weapon.

Do you happen to know how this applies to things like deep elf master archers, who practically seem to machine gun their drat bows? Is that just a special trait they have rather than an effective weapon skill?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 08:51

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

LogicNinja posted:

"the +12 trident "Licegoat" {pierce, +Fly Str+3}"

I think "Licegoat" is the single best randart name I've seen in Crawl.

All I needed was a meat artifact and I could've made a sandwich.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 20:40

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

kaschei posted:

This only matters for mummy curses and they may as well not exist if one ?rc cleanses your entire inventory (they may as well not exist).

My suggestion for what it should do is, if you have no cursed items equipped, allow you to select one that you don't.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2014 05:07

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Tollymain posted:

Is Haunt no longer the only smite-targeted summoning spell?

I think Lightning Spire might be smite-targeted?

# ¿ Sep 6, 2014 06:27

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Kekekela posted:

I feel like I'm reading this thread in a parallel universe

Please, he has to survive to the point he can leave Firestorming ghosts.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2014 03:04

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

PleasingFungus posted:

I've found it's gotten a lot nastier since the spriggans were added.

I'll still take it by a mile over Shoals, though (possibly not if I'm a merfolk).

# ¿ Sep 7, 2014 23:33

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Twitch posted:

Both of my wins were melee characters, but I try to change it up. My Spider deaths have been on assassins and transmuters mostly, and I think Swamp has just felt easier because I haven't run into Mara or the Lernaean Hydra in a while.

Mara can show up just as easily in Spider or Shoals as Swamp; I've had him drop in in Shoals once along with that unique water nymph whose name I can't spell, it was awful. I don't know about the Hydra, though, I think I've only seen him in Swamp.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 03:23

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Internet Kraken posted:

Learnean Hydra is swamp exclusive and extremely rare on top of that. I'm pretty sure I've only seen it twice in all of my games.

I got him last game. He got rolled over because I was high AC and had zombies. I kind of expect he's a lot more threatening if you don't have both of those things. I think it was the first kill of him for our team this tournament though, so yeah, rare-ish.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 04:18

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Jeffrey posted:

You should probably turn off weapon skill and train dodging, at least until you have a different weapon. 4 EV is really low and once you hit the magic breakpoint for plate, you should get a lot with 28 dex. AC will get degraded by corrosion while EV won't, so it's extra-important to have both in slime. rMut would be nice to have as a swap but you can live without it, just manage line of fire around shining eyes. rC+++ would be a boon but you should be fine with rC++, the last pip doesn't do that much.

If you know, what's the formula (or chart, or just a general idea of where they are) for the 'magic breakpoints' when Dodging starts working worth a drat in various levels of armour?

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 17:18

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Jeffrey posted:

I think it's lower than that - in plate it was definitely good around 16 last time I played. The whole formula is...complicated, I don't have a concrete one, it depends on aevp which depends on armour skill and strength, along with what armour you are wearing. There is a program here which doesn't have the armour skill effect or shield/barding effects, but calculates it other than that.
http://bpaste.net/show/ae9ohtdTwEJDXUds6P2I

I realize this isn't exactly enlightening but:

I'm not sure how to use that program or that formula!

But 'mid to high teens for plate' is at least something I can understand, so thanks.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 17:34

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

pathetic little tramp posted:

Oh of course! It's so simple!

Total transparency if you can remember all your math classes from a decade or more ago.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 17:56

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Brannock posted:

Try out Merfolk, Demonspawn, or Draconian.

If you like mutations I especially recommend Demonspawn. I've been playing with them lately and they're great fun, especially if you want to try an Invocations god.

Except Thin Skeletal Structure and Spiny, I guess.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 19:40

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

For Ds, what are the new tier 2 fire and ice effects that replace scroll and potion conservation? The learndb still gives the old entries - fire (scroll cons, rF+, ignite blood), ice (rC+, potion cons, icemail) - but I'm not sure what it was replaced with. Is it cloud immunity like the tier 3 versions?

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 00:19

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Heithinn Grasida posted:

I think this is a very elegant and simple solution. But, personally, I feel that Crawl overuses the "strong early, weak late" method of balancing abilities. It makes sense in light of the game's difficulty curve, but it's just not much fun for most people. A similar solution would be to make spiny a scales facet instead of a tier 2 mutation. That way it should both come in earlier and not screw you out of a more interesting tier 2 that actually has an impact on game play.

Since the scales facet is (otherwise) mostly defensive I would probably also give it a tiny bit of EV (either 0/1/2 or 1/2/3) if that happened. Kind of like Repulsion Field but with counter damage instead of permanent Repel Missiles.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 15:58

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

bisonbison posted:

You could make spiny apply low damange + a slow movement debuff to some % of attackers, making them like manticore, and easier to kite.

That would be okay too.

'Your spines hit the goblin. A spine breaks off in the goblin!'

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 17:53

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

kaschei posted:

Ds are the second strongest class for spamming Makhleb or Qazlal invocations. Only DD match them for invocations. I think anyone having trouble between temple and lair:8 could do a lot worse than go heavy into invocations as a Ds of Makhleb - I think this is stronger than most melee builds (not Gr or DD).

Does minor destruction do that much damage? I always thought it was - well, minor, equivalent to a level 1 or 2 spell, not something you can reasonably spam for victory to late Lair.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 20:08

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

kaschei posted:

Minor destruction deals significant damage and eventually nothing resists it. It has great range and is cheap as free to cast (just a little HP that Makhleb will refund on kill). It will deal with 95% of enemies and you have enough piety to greater destruction the other 5%.

You can't lean on Qazlal the same way because there's a piety cost to his invocations but they're better for killing and do area damage.

Isn't minor destruction's element random? I didn't think it turned unresistable at high Invo or anything. I did know it was free but I didn't realize the damage was more than like the 1d8 of magic dart, so that's good to know.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 20:16

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

In non-extended questions because I've never gotten to extended:

I am playing a VSFi of Okawaru. I have previously been using maces and flails with the hopes of picking up a killer demon whip someday, and have just finished a labyrinth on Lair 1. I have obtained two weapons:

code:

i - the +10 dire flail of Gallantry {crush, rElec rF+ Str+3 Int+3 Stlth-}
M - the +8 autumn katana {slice, Clar}

Given I'm a VS and thus speed is good, also clarity is good, should I switch to long blades to use the katana? I've never gotten it before and I'm not sure how good it is long-term, though it seems like something you could clear through a lot of the game with! I'm not too far to switch.

Alternately, should I use the +10 dire flail, which is a worse weapon in a vacuum but has all those mods on it and is already a weapon type I know how to use? I have 11 Mace & Flail right now.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 18:02

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Sage Grimm posted:

Dire Flail is base 13 damage, 13 delay. Katana is 14 damage, 12 delay. Min delay will be 0.6 aut per swing on both of them. Speed is irrelevant here. No cross-training bonuses between the two weapon skills. Clarity is nice, but generally unnecessary for fighters. You can also stack MR to protect yourself. Given that you already invested a middling amount into Maces, I'd say stick with the dire flail.

Are you invested into taking a shield with you? Demon Whip or Eveningstar are going to be your choices. If not then seek out a Great Mace.

I like shields because anything that makes me less dead gets my vote. I'm not 100% invested but in general I was expecting to use a demon whip or eveningstar. (I do not have an ego shield right now though so giving it up for the dire flail is no issue, it's not like I grabbed the Shield of Resistance or something.) I didn't realize dire flails went down to 0.6 though, I thought it was 0.7.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 18:19

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

OK, one more question:

Troll leather armour doesn't stack with racial troll regeneration. Does it stack with racial vine stalker regen?

# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 18:58

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Not My Leg posted:

Is there a place I can see all the invocations titles together? Also, what exactly are the criteria for invocations titles? Invocations as your highest skill, ****** of piety (not sure if that's required) and Invocations was the last skill to 27, first skill to 27, something else?

The criteria for getting an Invocations title are Invocation being your highest skill and piety level. Gozag checks money on hand instead of piety. I don't know what Xom checks, if anything.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 22:14

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Not My Leg posted:

That's basically what I thought, but I was most confused about what "highest skill" means when you have more than one skill at 27. If, for example, I have fighting and Invocations at 27, do I get an invocations title, or do I get Conqueror.

Whichever one gets to 27 first is the one you're locked in with, IIRC (though your Invocations title can still change if your piety does, you're not going to lose having one).

# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 22:26

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Humans Among Us posted:

Can a Draconian wear Mask of the Dragon (which is described as hat-like) ?

As far as I know anything that can wear hats can wear the Mask of the Dragon.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2014 23:27

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

kaschei posted:

Mennas can't talk so that's going to be pretty hard to justify.

Sign language!

Alternately, giant protest sign. Which is a different kind of sign language.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 00:53

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

In one of the games I was spectating, Trog just handed out the Majin-Bo.

I'm getting mixed messages about the OK-ness of casting here.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 05:15

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

LogicNinja posted:

I mean, I can double down on melee and Invocations (18 now) instead, but yeah, it might be... I'll just get some more armor/dodging/fighting first.

Or I could start cranking Charms for Haste.

You're gonna want haste. IMO since all crossbows have a minimum delay of 1.0 now they could really use the speed boost.

Note to self: crossbowman of Okawaru, abuse Finesse when necessary.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 20:10

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

PleasingFungus posted:

this doesn't actually make any sense

The lowest you can get by skill is 1.0 on any crossbow, right? I consider 1.0 kind of a breakpoint in attacks, in that I'd much rather have my actions under it than over it (reducing an attack from 1.0 and 0.9 is, to me, more significant than 0.9 and 0.8, simply because a lot of things happen at 1.0 and going faster than it is good).

So, assuming you're not a crossbow specialist (which this character isn't), you are probably shooting slower than 1.0, which is bad, which Haste helps with. It's still very good with everything else, too, but that bump with a slow crossbow is more noticable.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 20:36

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

kaschei posted:

+6 ring mail rF+ rC+ is a caster's dream, yeah.

If you want to lower attack delay with okawaru... you use finesse.

The 1.0/0.9 thing is important tactically but statistically reducing your delay is more valuable the smaller your delay already is.

edit: obviously haste and finesse are useful separately but a) they don't stack b) you need a ton of crossbow skill to reach mindelay and "get all the skills" isn't usually very helpful

Well yeah, but I don't know if Logicninja is playing someone who worships Oka. (My note to play a crossbowman of Oka was seperate and I wouldn't be learning Haste on that character.)

PleasingFungus posted:

this isn't really true, though.

a lot of people are confused about this (which is why I'm replying), but there's nothing special about 1.0 delay.

This is useful. I'm not a good player (I'm an awful player!) but I thought it was more relevant than it apparently is.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 21:07

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Not My Leg posted:

According to the wiki,

Alarm Trap - 12 (equal to a shout)
Fireball Exploding - 15 (Qazlal @ Max Piety)
Singing Sword - Up to 35
Shield of the Gong Block - 40 (Really loving Loud)

I think that might undersell Qazlal by a little; aren't the storm clouds louder than 15 when they actually electrify something? I got told that once but I don't know how accurate it is.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2014 22:41

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

IronicDongz posted:

This is something that the Shield of the Gong's description should really say, considering that as it stands, it's
And the sprite looks like a large shield, too! I have been very confused by this in the past.

The spiritual protection part isn't relevant anymore either (it originally had spirit shield, but no longer does).

# ¿ Sep 13, 2014 00:14

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

JosephWongKS posted:

My Demonspawn Monk just found a Shield of Resistance in a shop. Are the resistances worth the loss of attack speed?

A shield of resistance or the Shield of Resistance? (The latter looks like a turtle shell in tiles.) The only difference if it's a regular shield is MR+ though.

Also, I really dislike that their names are so similar, I feel one of them should be changed.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2014 01:40

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# ¿ May 20, 2024 06:14

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Internet Kraken posted:

Can Spriggan use triple crossbows or are they too small to wield them?

Pretty sure they're too small; Small races like kobolds can manage it but IIRC spriggans can't.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2014 20:05

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