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Brodeurs Nanny posted:And your argument of skill is dumb too, because why aren't Crosby and Datsyuk and Tavares the league leaders in shootout goals? Why are some great goalies absolutely horrendous in the shootout? It's such a small sample size and players can be amazing at it one year and awful the next. Gee, it is almost as if the most skilled people at normal hockey are not the same people who are the most skilled at super wacky funtime games. They are very different beasts. But lets elaborate. The skills you would look for in a super star hockey player are what? Vision, poise, puck control, passing skill and of course shooting. For the shootout you look for shooting and.... maybe puck control? So yeah, players who are not complete talents are going to do amazingly in it, but not be as great in real games. Likewise guys who are all around talents are going to be great in the game, but breakaways just might not be their thing. They say great players make the people around them better and it is true, a great player will get people out of position and then make the best of that, be it a great pass or a great shot. There is no opportunity to do so on a shootout chance. The same can be said for goalies. Goalies who have great positioning, reflexes and especially recovery excel in real games. In shootouts it is pretty much reflexes only with maybe a splash of positioning if you have the book on the shooter's tendencies. It very much /is/ a skill game, the reason people hate it is because it is unlike complete hockey. darkwolf220 fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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OK but it's a small sample size. That's my point. There are very few players in the league who are awesome at shootouts every single year, it varies. It's like giving a hitter in baseball 30 at-bats per year, his numbers are going to wildly vary, even if he is incredibly skilled. Do you think the Devils are going to go 0-13 in shootouts again? You can't possibly. Even if they suck at them again, which is entirely possible, going 2-9 is still considerably better, as they would have lost 7 points instead of 13, which is an enormous difference.
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:OK but it's a small sample size. That's my point. There are very few players in the league who are awesome at shootouts every single year, it varies. It's like giving a hitter in baseball 30 at-bats per year, his numbers are going to wildly vary, even if he is incredibly skilled. Do you think the Devils are going to go 0-13 in shootouts again? You can't possibly. Even if they suck at them again, which is entirely possible, going 2-9 is still considerably better, as they would have lost 7 points instead of 13, which is an enormous difference. No, they will not probably go 0-13 again. They are a different team than last year. Guys sometimes get better from year to year too. 2-9 = 11 shootouts, not 13, what school did you go to. And 2-11 is still poo poo, just not as much poo poo. They were historically bad last year, bu not because they were just so unlucky, they were legit bad at it. Maybe they will not be as bad this year. I'm sick of this argument making GBS threads up the thread, so I've said my bit, feel free to disagree.
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:And your argument of skill is dumb too, because why aren't Crosby and Datsyuk and Tavares the league leaders in shootout goals? Why are some great goalies absolutely horrendous in the shootout? It's such a small sample size and players can be amazing at it one year and awful the next. well datsyuk is fourth all time amongst active players and sidney crosby is ahead of shootout monster ilya kovalchuk 
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darkwolf220 posted:No, they will not probably go 0-13 again. This is my point, and this automatically gives them a couple extra points of of a boost. Also 11 shootouts. They win 2. They lose 9. 2-9. Yes, it's still poo poo. That's entirely my point. Even if they suck that badly this coming season, it's not 0-13 and it's a big difference in points. And yeah, this shouldn't be in the thread anymore, we've both made our points. Brodeurs Nanny fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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the interesting thing about the devils is that despite really bad goaltending by brodeur, they only gave up 208 goals last year, which puts them at 6th in the league. the problem was that they had one of the worst offenses in the league and there isn't much to suggest that they are going to improve significantly there as long as they have their current roster and peter deboer as their coach. they still could easily make the playoffs though because they do play a really good system just they have no offense unlike the kings.
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Zamboni Jesus posted:the interesting thing about the devils is that despite really bad goaltending by brodeur, they only gave up 208 goals last year, which puts them at 6th in the league. the problem was that they had one of the worst offenses in the league and there isn't much to suggest that they are going to improve significantly there as long as they have their current roster and peter deboer as their coach. they still could easily make the playoffs though because they do play a really good system just they have no offense unlike the kings. Right, they were 6th in the league in goals against, and having Marty gone should mean they're a top 3-5 team in that area, and as I've mentioned in this very thread recently, they added Cammalleri, who is a slam dunk for 20-25 goals if he's healthy and plays with Jagr, and they added Havlat (granted, no idea how he will do) and have Gelinas up for the full season, so that goal differential improving even a little bit puts them in the playoffs.
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i'd be surprised if new jersey cracks 200 goals this year though the retort is that LA had barely any more goals than new jersey
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Zamboni Jesus posted:i'd be surprised if new jersey cracks 200 goals this year That's exactly the retort. Last year, the Kings scored 206 goals and the Devils 197. The difference was the Kings allowed 174 goals and the Devils 208. Even if the Devils score 200 goals again, no Brodeur and Schneider playing 60-65 games is probably a 25-30 goal difference. And remember, 13 of those goals against came in shootouts. I think it's very plausible that the Devils score another ten goals and wind up around that Kings 206 mark and even more plausible that they give up 25 less goals, giving them 180 goals against. That would make them an easy playoff team.
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It could all fall apart if old man Jagr can't keep playing at a near elite level though.
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Ginette Reno posted:It could all fall apart if old man Jagr can't keep playing at a near elite level though. You could say this exact same thing about a few of the East teams that are in similar situations. Thats what makes it so much harder to predict.
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It could but I really don't expect much drop off, he literally got better as the season went on. He is a physical freak. Even if he drops off to 60 points, that's still great. Not to say he COULD have a big drop off, and if he does, that will affect their chances a lot.
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I'm terrified of jinxing anything but here goes  Stanley Cup Champion: Boston def Chicago Art Ross: Crosby Rocket Richard: Stamkos Norris: P.K. Subban Vezina: Rask Calder: Gibson Team with the most goals: Chicago Team with the fewest goals: Carolina Team allowing the most goals: Winnipeg Team allowing the fewest goals: Boston Team/goalie allowing most goals in shootout : Boston /Rask Does Torts coach this year (if so where): No Does Brodeur get a contract (if so where): No
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The Devils are relying on a 42 year old Jagr, 38 year old Elias, 33 year old broke rear end Havlat, Mr. Concussion Ryan Clowe, 32 year old Cammalleri who admittedly should put up some goals but also spends significant time on the injury list..., 34 year old Michael Ryder, and I guess a broke as Tuomo Rutuu IF everyone stays healthy I can see them doing well, but I'd be pretty worried about injuries taking out a huge chunk of offense especially because a bunch of those guys have had a history of injuries. That's what I'd be worried about. If they stay healthy, then they'll probably do pretty well
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i know how the pieces the devils have on paper are not very compelling but you know how the advanced stats from last year say the avs and the ducks should regress? the devils are like that, but the opposite. plus schneider is their real starter now.
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a false posted:i know how the pieces the devils have on paper are not very compelling but you know how the advanced stats from last year say the avs and the ducks should regress? the devils are like that, but the opposite. plus schneider is their real starter now. The Canucks were top-10 in pretty much every possession stat imaginable and yeah they aren't going to be top ten or even top sixteen in the standings anytime soon.
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ThinkTank posted:The Canucks were top-10 in pretty much every possession stat imaginable and yeah they aren't going to be top ten or even top sixteen in the standings anytime soon. they lost important players and didn't get anything valuable back. the devils lost mark fayne and that was pretty much it.
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ThinkTank posted:The Canucks were top-10 in pretty much every possession stat imaginable and yeah they aren't going to be top ten or even top sixteen in the standings anytime soon. If they still had Kesler and had made some modest improvements to their roster I would have picked them for a playoff spot. They're still not a bad team. The Devils problem, like Levitate said, is mainly age - if too many of those guys regress/get hurt they'll be in trouble. If they stay reasonably healthy they'll be fine.
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For the record, I'm also worried about Rick Nash's noggin staying in a non-jello state and Marty's nearly 40 year old body not being crushed and Dan Boyle's greybeard not sucking all of the life out of his body leaving a dry husk covered in scruff. I DO like a lot of the young depth the Rangers have, but it's not something that can replace losing a major offensive piece like the ones mentioned above. Guys like Fast and Kristo and Lindberg might have a good shot at a team with more open roster spots but honestly probably aren't going to make the Rangers this year gain. Also, Kreider staying healthy and active will be a big key as well since he's really their one big and aggressive forward that causes problems for other teams. He was definitely a huge help in the playoffs when he returned from injury (and not just because Emelin tripped him into Price). e: as soon as I say this, Stepan blows out his knee while skating  if he has a torn ACL or something that is a huge blow to the Rangers Levitate fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Oilers are makin the playoffs baby!!
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The Oilers are back like hightop fades and hammer pants. And cassette tapes. And I guess... Madonna? Michael Jackson? Deloreans?
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Eastern Conference Atlantic 1) Boston 2) Montreal 3) Tampa Bay 4) Detroit 5) Florida 6) Ottawa 7) Toronto 8) Buffalo Metro 1) Pittsburgh 2) Philadelphia 3) New York Rangers 4) New Jersey 5) New York Islanders 6) Washington 7) Columbus 8) Carolina Western Conference Central 1) St.Louis 2) Chicago 3) Dallas 4) Minnesota 5) Colorado 6) Winnipeg 7) Nashville Pacific 1) Anaheim 2) Los Angeles 3) San Jose 4) Edmonton 5) Arizona 6) Vancouver 7) Calgary Playoffs East 1) Boston 2) Montreal 3) Tampa Bay 1) Pittsburgh 2) Philadelphia 3) New York Rangers WC1) New Jersey WC2) Detroit West 1) St.Louis 2) Chicago 3) Dallas 1) Anaheim 2) Los Angeles 3) San Jose WC1) Minnesota WC2) Colorado Other Optional poo poo Predictions: Stanley Cup Champion: St. Louis def Boston Art Ross: Crosby Rocket Richard: Ovechkin Norris: Chara Vezina: Quick Calder: Drouin Team with the most goals: Chicago Team with the fewest goals: Buffalo Team allowing the most goals: Buffalo Team allowing the fewest goals: Boston First coach fired: Carlyle Does Torts coach this year (if so where): Yes, Toronto Does Brodeur get a contract (if so where): No
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:The Oilers are back like hightop fades and hammer pants. And cassette tapes. And I guess... Madonna? Michael Jackson? Deloreans? Randy Gregg drove a Delorean baby
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Wayne Gretzky posted:Randy Gregg drove a Delorean baby Dr Randy Gregg.
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Eastern Conference Atlantic 1) Toronto 2) Boston 3) Montreal 4) Detroit 5) Tampa Bay 6) Florida 7) Ottawa 8) Buffalo Metro 1) Pittsburgh 2) NYI 3) NYR 4) Columbus 5) NJ 6) Washington 7) Philly 8) Carolina Western Conference Central 1) Chicago 2) St.Louis 3) Dallas 4) Minnesota 5) Colorado 6) Nashville 7) Winnipeg Pacific 1) LA 2) Anaheim 3) SJ 4) Edmonton 5) Arizona 6) Vancouver 7) Calgary Playoffs East 1) Toronto 2) Boston 3) Montreal 1) Pittsburgh 2) NYI 3) NYR WC1) Detroit WC2) Columbus West 1) Chicago 2) St.Louis 3) Dallas 1) LA 2) Anaheim 3) SJ WC1) Edmonton WC2) Minnesota Other Optional poo poo Predictions: Stanley Cup Champion: Toronto def Edmonton Art Ross: Kessel Rocket Richard: Kessel Norris: Subban Vezina: Bernier Calder: Drouin Team with the most goals: Toronto Team with the fewest goals: Buffalo Team allowing the most goals: Buffalo Team allowing the fewest goals: LA First coach fired: Carlyle Does Torts coach this year (if so where): Yes, OHL Kingston Frontenacs rear end. Coach Does Brodeur get a contract (if so where): Yes, Philly
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 Why didn't you just have the Everblades winning the Cup over the Brampton Midget Hockey Team
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darkwolf220 posted:
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Minnesota gonna be either awesome or poo poo
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Good Canadian Boy posted:Eastern Conference My favorite part is that you still couldn't make yourself put a Toronto Norris winner.
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Aphrodite posted:My favorite part is that you still couldn't make yourself put a Toronto Norris winner. Morgan Rielly 2016, baby 
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Wayne Gretzky posted:Randy Gregg drove a Delorean baby 2014 and I still goddamn sick of hearing about dr randy gregg and his fancy rear end car. You know what Joel Otto drove? A fuckin gently caress truck.
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Aphrodite posted:My favorite part is that you still couldn't make yourself put a Toronto Norris winner. What if PK gets traded to Toronto before the end of preseason, mr. smart guy? He's a hometown kid, doncha know.
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mennoknight posted:2014 and I still goddamn sick of hearing about dr randy gregg and his fancy rear end car. You know what Joel Otto drove? A fuckin gently caress truck. Thats because he was a piece of poo poo .
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Wayne Gretzky posted:Thats because he was a piece of poo poo . Wow - that's a pretty mean thing to say. He was a pretty cool guy who drove a truck. Trucks cost less in Wetaskawin.
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Y'all vastly underestimating the Habs' hability to sink to the bottom. We have Therrien coaching on the line.
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MononcQc posted:Y'all vastly underestimating the Habs' hability to sink to the bottom. We have Therrien coaching on the line. Even Therrien cant out-terrible the Sabres, Sens, and Leafs. Detroit maybe, but thats assuming my other prediction doesnt happen (setting a new NHL record for man games lost).
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Furnaceface posted:Even Therrien cant out-terrible the Sabres, Sens, and Leafs. Detroit maybe, but thats assuming my other prediction doesnt happen (setting a new NHL record for man games lost). It was only 3 years ago that Habs were 28th in the league, with players such as Carey Price, PK Subban, Max Pacioretty, and Tomas Plekanek on the team. I'm just partly kidding. I can see the leafs, Florida, and Detroit possibly finishing above Montreal in some fun injury-prone world
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