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Tedd_Not_Ed posted:Behold, the future of baseball: It's not the pitcher's fault, it's every batter who feels like he needs to readjust his loving velcro gloves between every pitch. Stop saying it's the pitcher, or don't start the clock until the batter comes set. I'm sure there's an alternate universe where we are trapped in 1999, and a Nomar Garciaparra at-bat is still happening
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Everblight posted:It's not the pitcher's fault, it's every batter who feels like he needs to readjust his loving velcro gloves between every pitch. Stop saying it's the pitcher, or don't start the clock until the batter comes set. During one of the A's games at the end of the season, I swear one of their left-handed batters walked half-way to the first base dugout between every pitch. FlamingLiberal posted:Dodgers are looking at hiring Josh Byrnes as GM He's incredibly popular for a guy who's been fired twice. People must really like working with him regardless of whatever they think he is good or bad at doing as a GM. tadashi fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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Oct 17, 2014 21:54
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Who's the all time slowest pitcher to the mound? I remember watching a game where Steve Trachsel pitched for the Mets and his own fans were booing him for taking so long and repeatedly throwing to first.
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Oct 17, 2014 22:01
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Traxis posted:Who's the all time slowest pitcher to the mound? I remember watching a game where Steve Trachsel pitched for the Mets and his own fans were booing him for taking so long and repeatedly throwing to first. With a runner on it's Max Scherzer. He sits for about 45 seconds until people call timeout just to disrupt the timing.
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Oct 17, 2014 22:17
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Rand alPaul posted:With a runner on it's Max Scherzer. He sits for about 45 seconds until people call timeout just to disrupt the timing. Mike Pelfry is just as bad and even more painful to watch because he's terrible and allows more runners.
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Oct 17, 2014 22:20
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IcePhoenix posted:Mike Pelfry is just as bad and even more painful to watch because he's terrible and allows more runners. I seem to recall one of the early Diamondbacks starters, I want to say Omar Daal? being really loving bad like this, too.
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Rand alPaul posted:I seem to recall one of the early Diamondbacks starters, I want to say Omar Daal? being really loving bad like this, too. I went to a Twins game last year (I think it was against the Angels) that Pelfry pitched and it was like four hours long even though it wasn't particularly high scoring/hitting and only went nine innings. There were fans heckling him for being so slow.
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Oct 17, 2014 22:47
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Traxis posted:Who's the all time slowest pitcher to the mound? I remember watching a game where Steve Trachsel pitched for the Mets and his own fans were booing him for taking so long and repeatedly throwing to first.
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Traxis posted:Who's the all time slowest pitcher to the mound? I remember watching a game where Steve Trachsel pitched for the Mets and his own fans were booing him for taking so long and repeatedly throwing to first. All time I feel like it Trachsel because that makes me want to die but currently I think it's Clay Buchholz. The newly retired Josh Beckett was also ungodly slow.
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Everblight posted:It's not the pitcher's fault, it's every batter who feels like he needs to readjust his loving velcro gloves between every pitch. Stop saying it's the pitcher, or don't start the clock until the batter comes set. It's both. Pitchers are just as bad as batters except you don't notice them walk off the mount, adjust their gloves, tap their shoes, adjust their cup, take a few practice swings, etc. Batters are really bad, but to claim it's not the pitcher at all is crazy.
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Some relievers, particularly of the closer variety, like to realllllly lean in there and stare (Kimbrel, Casilla.) Some batters have an entire loving ritual of adjusting every piece of clothing, clearing their throat (Jeter) or just twirling it five or six times with every pitch (Span.) But in general I'd say relievers are generally slow, doesn't help that they often have little room for error when they come in. So many good dueling aces games fall apart into slow poo poo once the relievers come in.
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Daisuke Matsuzaka is also a bit excruciating, or at least was last year. The pitch clock is the most visibly jarring of the rules they're testing in Arizona (besides, possibly, the automatic intentional walk,) but I think that the more restrictive rules about batters being ready will have a bigger effect on pace of game. We may very well one day see Troy Tulowitzki strike out without having a pitch thrown to him. The big complaint so far has been that it's virtually impossible for pitchers to throw over to first, but I imagine they'd strike a compromise before this was implemented at the ML level. If anyone wants to see the new rules in action, MLB is streaming the Peoria/Salt River game in ten minutes.
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IcePhoenix posted:I went to a Twins game last year (I think it was against the Angels) that Pelfry pitched and it was like four hours long even though it wasn't particularly high scoring/hitting and only went nine innings. There were fans heckling him for being so slow. I went to a different Pelfry game last year (and I forget who we were playing, Cleveland maybe?), and I wasn't consciously aware that Pelfry was dawdling, but now that you bring him up... I did grow weary and left before it was over. Bullshit thing is that we were down 4-3 when I left and we ended up winning 7-4. 
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Oct 18, 2014 03:16
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Edwin Jackson is brutally slow also. Might be the worst active pitcher. I agree that Trachsel's the worst I've ever seen though.
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Edwin Jackson's entire Cubs' career was redeemed when they pulled him off the fake "terrible at baseball" DL to face Kershaw in a meaningless game and then he lasted 2/3 of an inning before being ignominiously pulled to a chorus of boos.
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Papelbon has been fined for being too slow.
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I remember Vicente Padilla being really slow, too. But maybe I'm remembering wrong because he was an rear end in a top hat.
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So I was wondering how Dr. Venture would have been spending the postseasn. He really has the stink of an American League fan about him, so, it probably went something like this:
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Farchanter posted:
Veeck did it. Bill Veeck actually installed a pitch clock in the scoreboard of old Comiskey Park back in the 70's to try and speed up the game.....he of course caught a lot of poo poo for it at the time. I'm not a fan of actual clocks being throw all over the park in the game that's not supposed to have one, so hopefully by the time spring training comes around MLB will do something really radical....like enforce the rules already on the books. Hopefully the three trips to the mound rule including the catcher gets dumped as well since that's something that actually does involve strategy and performance on the field, umpires seem pretty good about heading out there and keeping it brief as is. Seems like a far more elegant solution to all of this is simply reminding players they can't call time- just ask for it, and it won't always be granted. Once umpires stop granting time for anything less than a full on Cleveland style bug infestation during at bats things will work themselves out. That being said I do kinda wanna see a game come to halt while they go the replay office for five minutes to see if a pitch got off on time, or if the timer started correctly. I don't think anyone expected umpires to have to phone home because they forgot the count during at bat, but it seemed to happen quite a bit this year.
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Baseball shouldn't have running clocks, he said through gritted teeth, knowing that if George Will probably agrees with him it is a bad opinion.
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Replay would be much simpler and quicker if they had one umpire dedicated to watching/reviewing each game but they would have hire more people so they arent going to do that.
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Scob posted:Replay would be much simpler and quicker if they had one umpire dedicated to watching/reviewing each game but they would have hire more people so they arent going to do that. MLB would insist on someone from the league office doing that job, and then the umpires' union would revolt (again).
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I never saw him play but Mike 'The Human Rain Delay' probably deserves consideration for this title.
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I feel like if chess can be played with a clock, so can baseball. 
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Abel Wingnut posted:I never saw him play but Mike 'The Human Rain Delay' probably deserves consideration for this title. Hargrove's pre-pitch ritual was slow for the time but if you watch video of it now, it's positively brisk. The game has slowed down a massive amount since then.
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Traxis posted:Who's the all time slowest pitcher to the mound? I remember watching a game where Steve Trachsel pitched for the Mets and his own fans were booing him for taking so long and repeatedly throwing to first. A Rafael Betancourt appearance used to always be a good opportunity to talk about complex issues with friends
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Abel Wingnut posted:I never saw him play but Mike 'The Human Rain Delay' probably deserves consideration for this title. I wonder if MLB will give out OCD exceptions for stepping out of the box every pitch the same way they do for adderall.
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R.D. Mangles posted:Edwin Jackson's entire Cubs' career was redeemed when they pulled him off the fake "terrible at baseball" DL to face Kershaw in a meaningless game and then he lasted 2/3 of an inning before being ignominiously pulled to a chorus of boos. I was one of the people in the crowd booing that game.  GoatSeeGuy posted:I wonder if MLB will give out OCD exceptions for stepping out of the box every pitch the same way they do for adderall. I think with the pitching clock, the batters should step out of the box at their own risk. If the pitch comes while they're still putzing around with their gloves, then it should still be called a ball or strike.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:I think with the pitching clock, the batters should step out of the box at their own risk. If the pitch comes while they're still putzing around with their gloves, then it should still be called a ball or strike. I doubt they'll go that far, for the simple reason that such an action is already against the rules. Pitching when the batter clearly isn't ready is a quick return, and if there are runners on base, it's a balk. Start fiddling with that, and you're bound to get some shenanigans. That said, I could see the umpires telling the batter to get the gently caress back in the box or watch the pitch from outside of it. If you could get all the umps on board with something like that, the problem would probably work itself out.
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tarlibone posted:That said, I could see the umpires telling the batter to get the gently caress back in the box or watch the pitch from outside of it. If you could get all the umps on board with something like that, the problem would probably work itself out. There was a time probably 15 years ago when an ump thought Glenallen Hill was taking too long outside the box, so he told the pitcher to bring it. Hill frantically ran into the box and slapped the pitch for a single. I wish I could find video of it.
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Cowboy Joe West also once got super pissed at Raul Mondesi taking too long in the on-deck circle and ordered David Weathers to start pitching. He called strike one before Mondesi even got to the box. There's video of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwAze__nq2k
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:There was a time probably 15 years ago when an ump thought Glenallen Hill was taking too long outside the box, so he told the pitcher to bring it. Hill frantically ran into the box and slapped the pitch for a single. I wish I could find video of it. Glenallen Hill ruled.
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Pat Clements posted:Cowboy Joe West also once got super pissed at Raul Mondesi taking too long in the on-deck circle and ordered David Weathers to start pitching. He called strike one before Mondesi even got to the box. There's video of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwAze__nq2k Haha wow.
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R.D. Mangles posted:Glenallen Hill ruled. Yes. Yes he did.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:There was a time probably 15 years ago when an ump thought Glenallen Hill was taking too long outside the box, so he told the pitcher to bring it. Hill frantically ran into the box and slapped the pitch for a single. I wish I could find video of it. There is a possibly apocryphal story about Bo Jackson stepping out thinking he had called time out but everyone else missed it so he had to jump back in the box really fast and promptly hit a homer
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Morgan Ensberg had his back hand up asking for time as the pitch was delivered once, and hit a one handed homer.
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MourningView posted:There is a possibly apocryphal story about Bo Jackson stepping out thinking he had called time out but everyone else missed it so he had to jump back in the box really fast and promptly hit a homer There are no apocryphal stories about Bo Jackson. All of them prove to be even more crazy on inspection. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the ball ended up killing a wayward pig on the street after that home run.
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