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I really enjoyed Herbert West. There's the bit were the corpse they've been working on starts screaming and they both run a loving mile. I should check out the movie because it's supposed to be rad.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:What the gently caress is up with that? I find it weirder that seth mcfarlen is obsessed with women who's guts fall out when they give child birth. Lois, said that chriss ripped her open and that she had to have the doctors re arrange all her organs. Francine said that steve ripped her straight from her V to her A. Why does seth obsess with female genital mutilation?
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Yeah, the best Lovecraft stories are: Herbert West: Reanimator (which actually does feature a black zombie who has super strength) At the Mountains of Madness Shadow over Innsmouth The Curious Case of Charles Dexter Ward The Hound The one with the mole people The Dream Cycle The Dream Cycle deserves special mention because at one point, cats reveal themselves to be hyper-intelligent, spare-faring omnibeings who fly from the Earth to the moon to rescue the protagonist. Also Nyarlathotep shows up at the end and he is an exquisitely huge dick. Shoehead posted:I really enjoyed Herbert West. There's the bit were the corpse they've been working on starts screaming and they both run a loving mile. I should check out the movie because it's supposed to be rad. The Reanimator films are super dope cool fresh to the max, especially the first two.
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Above Our Own posted:are you sure about this because I thought all lovecraft's alien stuff was vaguely unknowable and indifferent/uncomprehending towards man and then a bunch of even shittier writers came in afterwards to make it a more conventional good vs evil "mythos" Perhaps I'm over simplifying things. Because the Great Old Ones sure don't give a flying patoot about us. In fact, I'm pretty sure they already lost their war against the Old Ones aeons ago, and Mountains just has people finding remnants of their culture. It's less "good vs evil" and more "evil vs pretty ambivalent, but they still don't like evil".
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I think the funniest thing about HPL is that a born and bred New Englander was loving terrified of seafood.
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I forgot how far into Herbert West Lovecraft gets before injecting some racism in and then he goes full fuckin hog
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Myron Baloney posted:I think the funniest thing about HPL is that a born and bred New Englander was loving terrified of seafood. Indicative perhaps of some Jewish stock in his lineage, he does some like a rather timid and bookish bloke after all.
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Shoehead posted:I forgot how far into Herbert West Lovecraft gets before injecting some racism in and then he goes full fuckin hog It's kind of hilarious too, because IIRC his black zombie was a 7-foot tall, illiterate mute who couldn't parse English and I think was a rapist in life. The caricature is so absurd that I can't help but find it kind of funny.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:The Dream Cycle deserves special mention because at one point, cats reveal themselves to be hyper-intelligent, spare-faring omnibeings who fly from the Earth to the moon to rescue the protagonist. Also Nyarlathotep shows up at the end and he is an exquisitely huge dick. Nyarlathotep appears as the most threatening and bizarre thing Lovecraft could conceive of: a handsome, well spoken black man. You could probably clean up by writing modern day cthulhu stories where the cultists are crazy internet subculture dwellers. Something about the perpetual underground battle between the deranged human minions of Fr'Chun and Tmblurg. Edit: Funniest Lovecraft story is Horror of Red Hook, since its basically a Daily Mail editorial disguised as a horror story.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Fancy collaborating on a Lovecraft parody where an Ashkenazi Jewish guy travels to Israel and discovers he's a mixed blood mizrahi jew with הג'וקים בקירות? Yolomon Wayne posted:Not a fair comparison, Kirk had SA to gently caress him up. I do believe they would actually be eldritch.  We need a :cthulhusay: emanresu tnuocca posted:So did HP even know what 'non-euclidean' geometries are? cause it's not like spherical shapes and curved surfaces are really that other worldly I don't know, man, can you imagine being caught in traffic over there? emanresu tnuocca posted:Indicative perhaps of some Jewish stock in his lineage, he does some like a rather timid and bookish bloke after all. How else could you explain his attraction to that Jewess? Her Semitic blood called out to his own.
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ZeusJupitar posted:Nyarlathotep appears as the most threatening and bizarre thing Lovecraft could conceive of: a handsome, well spoken black man. ...well god drat. Idris Elba should play Nyarlathotep.
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Shoehead posted:I forgot how far into Herbert West Lovecraft gets before injecting some racism in and then he goes full fuckin hog quote:The match had been between Kid O’Brien -- a lubberly and now quaking youth with a most un-Hibernian hooked nose -- and Buck Robinson, "The Harlem Smoke." The negro had been knocked out, and a moment’s examination shewed us that he would permanently remain so. He was a loathsome, gorilla-like thing, with abnormally long arms which I could not help calling fore legs, and a face that conjured up thoughts of unspeakable Congo secrets and tom-tom poundings under an eerie moon. Herbert West is pretty interesting, in that its basically about a med student who becomes full-on mad scientist, and his research methods become increasingly unethical and perverse and terrify the narrator, and in the end West's army of reanimated zombies come back to kill him. More of a story about the horrors man is capable of inflicting against other men, and a cautionary tale on the dangers of playing God.
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hemophilia posted:Unspeakable Congo Secrets: robert e howard is all about this kinda poo poo too. amorphous negroid visages emerging from inky jungles and poo poo
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It's like, a tiny bit of lovely anti-Semitism and then he has this full blown racist freakout about a poor dead boxer. Also he takes the time in the opening of each chapter to bring up West's blonde hair and beautiful blue eyes..
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Dec 23, 2014 18:12
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mods please rename me unspeakable congo secrets
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Shoehead posted:I really enjoyed Herbert West. There's the bit were the corpse they've been working on starts screaming and they both run a loving mile. I should check out the movie because it's supposed to be rad. Re-Animator is awesome. Haven't watched Bride yet but I plan to soon.
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Oberleutnant posted:Also I remember that Lovecraft married a jewess but bitched about jews all day erry day and whenever he'd walk around new york she said he would literally shake with fury constantly to the point where he had to move out to the country. he really was a funny dude
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Happy Bear Suit posted:Herbert West is pretty interesting, in that its basically about a med student who becomes full-on mad scientist, and his research methods become increasingly unethical and perverse and terrify the narrator, and in the end West's army of reanimated zombies come back to kill him. More of a story about the horrors man is capable of inflicting against other men, and a cautionary tale on the dangers of playing God. And this is really the crux of it: all of Lovecraft's goofy racism is pretty easily removed or ignored in favor of the broader horrors at the heart of his stories. You *could* make a case for Shadow over Innsmouth being a story about the dangers of miscegnation, but at the same time, it is pretty horrifying to think that a town's population stems from rapacious fish monsters coming from the sea in night, and to learn that you are actually fundamentally non-human is terrifying in and of itself. I think when people choose to focus entirely on Lovecraft's racism in an attempt to dismiss his writings, it's cherry-picking to fit a narrative that suits you, just as much as it would be to try and say that none of his writing is racist. The fact is, Lovecraft was terrified of a lot of things: sex, foreigners, the unusual, the unknowable, and without that terror and fear, he could not convey those emotions so well to his audience. It is perhaps not unfair to say that his prejudices were directly responsible for how effective he was at writing horror, and at the end of the day, his fundamental horrors had nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the concept that the universe was vast, unknowable, and inherently dangerous, and that if you scratched the surface of what you think reality is, underneath is a world that you cannot understand and that will destroy you if you try.
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ive found it to be a good strategy not to trust anyone whose lovecraft phase didnt end before age 18 yall are all wrong the best lovecraft story is Polaris, where a dude standing watch at the wall of a great and glorious (white) civilization in the north falls asleep, allowing a horde of horrible deformed yellow monsters to invade and destroy the city he wakes up ten thousand years later or whatever to find that it's true. it really happened. and the inuit still live in alaska. chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Zombie Boat posted:Don't forget unknowable things turning you into a mindless blubbering mess. Also lol "mad Arab" I agree mad arab is redundant
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I think the root of Lovecraft's fears was the fear of atavism, the idea that something you care about will decay or devolve in front of you. He personally was terrified of inheriting the mental illness that his father had and bitter about his family losing their money. Then he spent most of his life struggling to get by and knew the threat of dropping into poverty. The insane racism develops through the same pattern you see in a lot of neo-nazi/nationalist types today, putting huge stock in 'the race' or 'the nation' because it gives you something to be proud of and believe in, and then creating this fantasy that outsiders or foreigners are going to taint that idealized society and drag it down to their level (just like the racist's personal failings have dragged them down from the life they think they deserve). In this sense, cosmic horror is a lot more rooted in the older Gothic horror tradition than it's usual given credit for. Part of the point of Dracula for example is that he's this remnant of the dark past who comes to Victorian England to contaminate it with vampirism and drag everyone back to the middle ages. On the other hand Dr Van Helsing is the enlightened modern man, fighting against the past wit cutting edge science.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:And this is really the crux of it: all of Lovecraft's goofy racism is pretty easily removed or ignored in favor of the broader horrors at the heart of his stories. You *could* make a case for Shadow over Innsmouth being a story about the dangers of miscegnation, but at the same time, it is pretty horrifying to think that a town's population stems from rapacious fish monsters coming from the sea in night, and to learn that you are actually fundamentally non-human is terrifying in and of itself. I think when people choose to focus entirely on Lovecraft's racism in an attempt to dismiss his writings, it's cherry-picking to fit a narrative that suits you, just as much as it would be to try and say that none of his writing is racist. China Miéville posted:“Yes, indeed, the depth and viciousness of Lovecraft’s racism is known to me …It goes further, in my opinion, than ‘merely’ *being* a racist - I follow Michel Houellebecq (in this and in no other arena!) in thinking that Lovecraft’s oeuvre, his work itself, is inspired by and deeply structured with race hatred. As Houellebecq said, it is racism itself that raises in Lovecraft a ‘poetic trance’. He was a bilious anti-semite (though one who married a Jew, because, if you please, he granted that she was ‘assimilated’), and if you read stories like ‘The Horror at Red Hook’, the bile you will see towards people of colour, of all kinds (with particular sneering contempt for African Americans unless they were suitably Polite and therefore were patricianly granted the soubriquet ‘Negro’) and the mixed communities of New York and, above all (surprise surprise - Public Enemy were right) ‘miscegenation’ are extended and toxic.” It's just amusing really that this dude who evoked images of horrors that resonate with so many people was actually inspired by narrow minded prejudice and his own timid insecurities, his work is not stripped of its artistic merits cause of it, it's just a funny thing all on its own.
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 It goes "FHTAGN FHTAGN FHTAGN FHTAGN " at a super-loud volume
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emanresu tnuocca posted:It's just amusing really that this dude who evoked images of horrors that resonate with so many people was actually inspired by narrow minded prejudice and his own timid insecurities, his work is not stripped of its artistic merits cause of it, it's just a funny thing all on its own. I really like China Mieville too. He does great creature features and he has a really lurid and cool fantasy world his books take place in, that have human on bug lady sex, sentient, ambulatory cacti, memory-eating butterfly demons, floating pirate cities run by sadomasochistic psychic twins and a dude with a sword that can literally cut anything and also vampires. Read Perdido Street Station or the Scar, is what I'm saying. I never read the one about trains that's supposed to be a Socialist allegory. Oh and read UnLunDun, it's a really charming young adult book that's sort of a satire and love letter to Neil Gaiman and features the coolest supporting character ever (the Conductor).
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EmperorFritoBandito posted:
Where is this from?!
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Half the fun of lovecraft is laughing at lovecraft
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BottledBodhisvata posted:...well god drat. Don't let Rush Limbaugh find out. That dickbag spent 10 minutes today whining that Sony wanted Elba for James Bond who as we all know is a WHITE SCOTSMAN and like then said some poo poo about actual people being played by white folks in biopics. ( what better way to be forced to wake the gently caress up than hearing a modern day racist fuckstain ramble on? You have to turn the AM off lest you hear some poo poo that makes the Necronomicon look pussy in comparison!) I like Lovecraft stuff but if the dude was writing it now I sure as gently caress wouldn't be supporting his racist rear end. But he is dead so it isn't quite as troublesome, especially given how agonizing and painful his passing probably was. Not surprisingly the co worker I know that is huge into Lovecraft and Howard is pretty much a nut bar racist and homophobe who actually likes the Warhammer 40k novels for being "manly". Call of Cthulhu is a kickass RPG though.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Where is this from?! No idea, I grabbed it from one of the gif threads.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Where is this from?! America.
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Happy Bear Suit posted:aside from the old god mythos, let us not all forget about Herbert West: Reanimator, which was responsible for the legitamitely good 1985 film and this kickass flash game. also the name of the best coffee shop in philly the nameless city is another of my favorites, he leaves the possibilities just tantalizing enough, and i've got a soft spot for arcane discovery poo poo of that kind
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Never mind, GIS tells me it's from this Blaxploitation movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29H4C5_H3Uk
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Captain Rufus posted:I like Lovecraft stuff but if the dude was writing it now I sure as gently caress wouldn't be supporting his racist rear end. But he is dead so it isn't quite as troublesome, especially given how agonizing and painful his passing probably was. he would have bought racist baked beans with your money, can't have that by all accounts he was polite to everyone he met, it was only in private and with close friends that the crazy came out (and in his stories ofc but fuckall people read those while he was alive)
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Captain Rufus posted:Don't let Rush Limbaugh find out. That dickbag spent 10 minutes today whining that Sony wanted Elba for James Bond who as we all know is a WHITE SCOTSMAN and like then said some poo poo about actual people being played by white folks in biopics. rush limbaugh is a deeply closeted human being who is likely a pedophile and is indubitably a drug addict. who gives a flying gently caress what he has to say or what he thinks
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EmperorFritoBandito posted:Re-Animator is awesome. Haven't watched Bride yet but I plan to soon. it's okay. Stewart Gordon's only involved in the first one, so it being all Brian Yuzna you know it favors spiraling into crazytown over good writing and dialogue, but it's not bad. Beyond Re-Animator's worse. But both of them have done a lot of Lovecraft, and they're really their best together. For other Gordon/Lovecraft collaborations, check out From Beyond and Dagon (The latter being more an adaptation of Shadows Over Innsmouth).
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Never mind, GIS tells me it's from this Blaxploitation movie: Huh, 26:20.
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I liked the part in the Shadow Out of Time where the guy is hanging out with all the other abducted people and theres, like, wizards from 5000 years in the future and poo poo.
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paranoid randroid posted:I liked the part in the Shadow Out of Time where the guy is hanging out with all the other abducted people and theres, like, wizards from 5000 years in the future and poo poo. Here's the thing though: why is this horror instead of "holy poo poo that's awesome"?
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lovecraft was scared of wizrds and, like, years i guess
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Here's the thing though: why is this horror instead of "holy poo poo that's awesome"? it is written as awesome. the horror in that story is from the evil blobby things in australia
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