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FAUXTON posted:Pretty sure the whole point of being a JW is to have no more fun than Jesus had in his last few days. Jesus at least had a big dinner bash with all his friends right before he died. JW's aren't even allowed to have birthday parties.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I love how we already have right wing commentators blaming 'immigrants' for this outbreak, or claiming that they have no problem with some parents not vaccinating because 'immigrants aren't doing it either'. Feel free to quote the 98% vaccination rate in mexico compared to 92-93% in the US.
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Feb 2, 2015 16:14
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Cross-posting from the 2016 Presidential Election thread: WaPo is running a story focusing on the oft-discussed-but-not-in-the-media Rand Paul's pet ophthalmology certification board. lovely opinions, bad grammar, nepotism and shady accounting. It's like libertarian mad libs! God drat, what a scam.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Feel free to quote the 98% vaccination rate in mexico compared to 92-93% in the US. Source please, because I'm about to fire that one off to a few of my pants-on-head relatives.
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Feb 2, 2015 16:40
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mdemone posted:Source please, because I'm about to fire that one off to a few of my pants-on-head relatives. There's a table here although Mexico has a bizarre drop to 89% in 2013 that isn't present in any of the previous years making me wonder if it's actually a typo. Still, if you take Mexico's 89% at face value, the same table has the US's rate for 2013 at 91%. While idiotic relatives are never going to get any better, sadly I suspect this 2 point difference is enough leverage for them to not shut up either. And, of course, if you look at the long-term, say the last ten years, Mexico is ahead of the US.
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Feb 2, 2015 16:51
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DemeaninDemon posted:Feel free to quote the 98% vaccination rate in mexico compared to 92-93% in the US. Mexico is a country run by socialist pinko commies, of course it would be like that
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Feb 2, 2015 16:58
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icantfindaname posted:Mexico is a country run by socialist pinko commies, of course it would be like that Fine go talk about how India, noted poo poo hole, drove out polio.
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Feb 2, 2015 17:01
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I still contend that as far as anti-science goes, denying the legitimacy of climate science is more harmful to society than denying the legitimacy of vaccines.
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Feb 2, 2015 17:06
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Trabisnikof posted:I still contend that as far as anti-science goes, denying the legitimacy of climate science is more harmful to society than denying the legitimacy of vaccines. yes, but one is also extremely damaging to the person you're "protecting" without waiting for the slow destruction of the global ecosystem.
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Feb 2, 2015 17:07
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joeburz posted:yes, but one is also extremely damaging to the person you're "protecting" without waiting for the slow destruction of the global ecosystem. For the vast majority of anti-vaxxers? Not really. That's the problem. If not vaccinating your kid meant your kid would die, we would have any issues with parents not vaccinating their kids. Instead a ton of kids can be unvaccinated and it has little impact to that kid besides them staying home from for a month school sometimes. If we're talking societal harm and harm to your kids, the raging obesity epidemic probably qualifies as the best example.
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joeburz posted:yes, but one is also extremely damaging to the person you're "protecting" without waiting for the slow destruction of the global ecosystem. I think the big difference is that the science of vaccines is like 200 years old at this point and are being thrown out now, as opposed to climate change, which is a new concept for most people.
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Feb 2, 2015 17:14
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DemeaninDemon posted:Fine go talk about how India, noted poo poo hole, drove out polio. Maybe there's something to polio after all? That the liberals don't want you to know about? India is a constitutionally socialist state .....
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Feb 2, 2015 17:19
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There is a pay walled article in the WSJ Journal today with a lot of interesting information about Hillary's advisers and campaign apparatus. She's getting economic policy advice from Joseph Stiglitz, a guy from Third Way, a former Vice-Chairman of Goldman Sachs, a Princeton Labor Economist, and Paul Volker: quote:Mr. Volcker, the architect of the “Volcker Rule,” a regulatory measure barring banks from making risky bets with their own money; Jonathan Cowan, co-founder of the centrist think tank Third Way, which has been critical of some of the populist rhetoric coming from the Democrats’ liberal wing; and Alan Blinder , a Princeton professor and former Fed vice chairman and economics adviser to Mr. Clinton. Her economic platform is going to be quote:Policies that raise the wages and living standards of the middle class and working poor, address their economic anxieties, and make sluggish wage growth and middle-class prosperity a central focus without sounding like a combative populist or demonizing high-income groups. She's keeping a couple advisers from her 2008 run, but most of her top team is going to be Obama people. quote:Mrs. Clinton has also spoken to trusted Democratic confidants about appointments to high-level positions in her campaign, should she decide to run. She's seeking foreign policy advice from: quote:Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, who worked under both Republican presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush; David Rothkopf, author of a new book on foreign policy-making in the George W. Bush and Obama administrations; and Dennis Ross, a diplomat with many years of experience in the Middle East peace negotiations. Pretty much what was expected here: Liberal interventionists, centrists, and people with experience in diplomacy. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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Feb 2, 2015 17:20
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Is the general consensus that Clinton is to the right of Obama? It's going to be a long four years if/when she wins and the best she's able to propose is slightly lower interest rates on student loans or something milquetoast like that. On that note, when do folks estimate we'll see the full effect of Millennials being completely unable to buy any durable goods? I'm an (older) Millennial and I'll be 30 before I know it, so it's gotta be soon.
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Feb 2, 2015 17:25
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icantfindaname posted:Maybe there's something to polio after all? That the liberals don't want you to know about? India is a constitutionally socialist state ..... Polio does help out small business owners who specialize in child size wheel chairs, leg braces, and crutches.
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Feb 2, 2015 17:26
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There is a pay walled article in the WSJ Journal today with a lot of interesting information about Hillary's advisers and campaign apparatus. Let me express to you the depth and enormity of my shock upon hearing this news. 
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Radbot posted:Is the general consensus that Clinton is to the right of Obama? It's going to be a long four years if/when she wins and the best she's able to propose is slightly lower interest rates on student loans or something milquetoast like that. Would you prefer grandiose proposals with no chance of becoming reality or proposals that can become reality but are decried as milquetoast by the left? Clinton's campaign will likely be based on the later and not the former.
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joeburz posted:Why do parents need a choice, like what is the rationale for such a position? This could apply to school choice too.
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Radbot posted:Is the general consensus that Clinton is to the right of Obama? It's going to be a long four years if/when she wins and the best she's able to propose is slightly lower interest rates on student loans or something milquetoast like that. The American economy since the 1970s has almost completely transitioned away from selling durable consumer goods to Americans. With the removal of the structural factors that created that economy things are just going to continue in the direction that they've been moving in for 40 years towards selling services and paying starvation wages. The cyberpunk future is already here, friend, there's no need to wait
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icantfindaname posted:The American economy since the 1970s has almost completely transitioned away from selling durable consumer goods to Americans. With the removal of the structural factors that created that economy things are just going to continue in the direction that they've been moving in for 40 years towards selling services and paying starvation wages. The cyberpunk future is already here, friend, there's no need to wait That's what I figured - my personal, slightly educated opinion is that we're going to see massive swaths of the population involved in part-time, piecework jobs like Uber, Postmates, etc. That would give politicians the ammo they need to eliminate FICA/Social Security, since those taxes are insanely onerous when you're working 1099 and paying your own expenses. And Trabisnikof - I'd like to hear your opinion on how the student loan bubble growing larger and larger will affect the economy. When the majority of your younger population has literally negative disposable income, we'll need more than milquetoast proposals - regardless of the political capital they'll need to pass.
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Radbot posted:Is the general consensus that Clinton is to the right of Obama? Yes, but she also lacks Obama's naivety re: GOP willingness to do anything other than scream and gnash their teeth. I am worried that our foreign policy will become more hawkish though. 
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Feb 2, 2015 17:38
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mdemone posted:Let me express to you the depth and enormity of my shock upon hearing this news. Her economic pitch and advisers is actually much better than I expected, but no surprises at all on the foreign policy side. She'll likely be pretty close to Obama, but lean slightly more toward interventionism and human rights promotion.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Her economic pitch and advisers is actually much better than I expected, but no surprises at all on the foreign policy side. She'll likely be pretty close to Obama, but lean slightly more toward interventionism and human rights promotion. Yeah, nothing was surprising-bad in those quotes... maybe plain ol' bad, but not unexpected. I'm sure I'm being naive, but that was the first time in a long time I've heard a national politician that isn't Bernie Sanders talk about the "working poor" rather than endless bleating about the nebulous middle class. I took heart from that.
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Feb 2, 2015 17:48
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Her economic pitch and advisers is actually much better than I expected, but no surprises at all on the foreign policy side. She'll likely be pretty close to Obama, but lean slightly more toward interventionism and human rights promotion. On the good news front, bombing the gently caress out of ISIL actually seems to be working shockingly well since the Kurds are good at mopping up afterward, so I'm just fine with that continuing.
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While Obama may personally be left of Hillary, the outcomes of his presidency have been yanked rightward due to GOP intransigence since a government in gridlock is an inherently rightward move. EOs can only do so much to remedy that and I don't think anyone's arguing Hillary would be less willing to use them if the GOP wants to keep being lovely. Hillary is almost certainly to Obama's right but she's more combative and politically experienced. The comparison is probably a wash, maybe even a slight leftward tick in ends. While she's to Obama's right, she's still sharply to the left of the GOP and willing to fight for gains rather than compromise to limit losses. Not to downplay the effects of gerrymandering, but Obama places too much faith in the ability of the public to vote an rear end in a top hat out of office through their own recognizance and it's burned him a lot.
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What's going to be awesome is when millennials' parents retire on $750 a month in social security, no savings, and no retirement plan
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Hilary's been getting the right wing hate machine since like 90. That's reason enough to vote for her in the generals.
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Feb 2, 2015 18:02
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Feb 2, 2015 18:03
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Kalman posted:Are we still pretending the president's politics is as important to domestic outcomes as Congress's? No, but the president's willingness to kick some assholes in is definitely important to congressional decisions.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Hilary's been getting the right wing hate machine since like 90. That's reason enough to vote for her in the generals. DailyKos is pretty sure she won't be the nominee, so she's going to win the General in a landslide bigger than Obama's. I have come around.
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Radbot posted:That's what I figured - my personal, slightly educated opinion is that we're going to see massive swaths of the population involved in part-time, piecework jobs like Uber, Postmates, etc. That would give politicians the ammo they need to eliminate FICA/Social Security, since those taxes are insanely onerous when you're working 1099 and paying your own expenses.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like this loan bubble is going to get pretty massive before anything happens, because as of a couple of years ago most loans are backed by the federal government. Absolutely, I agree. The bubble can't "pop" in the same way that the real estate market did. It seems more like a car with the emergency brake getting pulled harder and harder despite the car being in motion - eventually something's going to catch fire.
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Radbot posted:Absolutely, I agree. The bubble can't "pop" in the same way that the real estate market did. It seems more like a car with the emergency brake getting pulled harder and harder despite the car being in motion - eventually something's going to catch fire. Probably hundreds of thousands of underemployed college grads through literally setting themselves on fire to escape debt.
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Jesus Christ Christie's self immolation this morning is amazing. It's like Romney reacting to "47%" all over again. I think my favorite part is MSNBC waiting until Fox, National Review, Twitchy and all the rest of the right wing apparatus got their defenses of the man out, then dropping the documentation of Christie being anti vaxx. It's clear they've been sitting on that for a while and decided to PPP that balloon now.
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Feb 2, 2015 18:32
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DemeaninDemon posted:Probably hundreds of thousands of underemployed college grads through literally setting themselves on fire to escape debt. They'll just make student debt inheritable.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Probably hundreds of thousands of underemployed college grads through literally setting themselves on fire to escape debt. They'll just pass a law making their parents and/or children pick up the tab. e: beaten we really are a cynical bunch of bastards
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Fried Chicken posted:Jesus Christ Christie's self immolation this morning is amazing. It's like Romney reacting to "47%" all over again.
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My bet is it almost exactly apes the rhetoric of intelligent design. 'There are multiple theories....unanswered questions....'just a theory'...'faith in science'. etc.
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