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I'm the MVP on my team and I am struggling through, scraping every penny I can together. Meanwhile the coach screaming in my face about how I'm a loser human being queer pussy is getting paid millions of dollars.
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free 'schooling' that is poo poo tier and costs the college nothing yeah that's totally an amazing deal until the school puts you in a bunch of fake paper grade classes and gives you a worthless degree such a stupid argument when NCAA pulls in millions just from the march madness poo poo alone and the kid in the book store selling the jersey gets $10/hr, which is $10/hr more than the athlete whose jersey it is
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Sep 10, 2015 22:02
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why would it all go to heck though just make schools with coaches who get paid over $250k/yr have to give athletes a certain percentage of the coach's pay. So if your coach makes $500,000 the athletes on the team should all get like $10-20k/yr or something reasonable. If they can't afford it then gee maybe stop building giant massive gently caress off stadium complexes and paying coaches millions of dollars. or just give them all $10/hr what's wrong with that. Extra few hundred bucks a month per athlete is gonna collapse the whole system? take hugely profitable D1 schools and make them pay in a certain % of profits to subsidize pay for athletes in schools not making that money. there's all kinds of solutions, the thing is the NCAA doesn't want solutions they want their $$$$$$$$$. they'd rather take their ball and go home and not give EA any licensing rights rather than let athletes get fairly compensated for poo poo like that. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Sep 10, 2015 |
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Sep 10, 2015 22:15
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Robo Reagan posted:i go to the university of alabama and if they paid just a fraction of the money this loving school makes on a big game then everyone on the team would be set lol that's what i'm saying it's such bullshit how much money flows through college sports but ~for some reason~ paying athletes at least what the kid working in the cafeteria or book shop gets will collapse the whole system
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Sep 10, 2015 22:19
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PathAsc posted:I should be paid to do my sport because reasons even though I get free tutoring and am pretty much guaranteed to pass no matter how poo poo I am in my studies. because 'free tutoring' is there regardless it's called student facilities and the school pays for them whether or not you're an athlete and also 'because reasons' = because the NCAA makes millions and millions of dollars while the athletes who make all the money struggle to get by people are so loving retarded. like ooooh FREE SCHOOL but what is the actual value of the schooling? What does it actually cost the school in terms of marginal costs to add 1 more student? loving nothing at all. Do you even get a decent degree? Nope, it's always some bullshit libarts degree that you'll never get a job with. Goons in one thread go 'non-STEM degrees are worse than useless now' and in another go 'at least you get a free lib arts degree' like what fools? you admit in your own post that the schooling is worthless (if you are guaranteed to pass no matter how poo poo you are in your bullshit classes...) but that the schooling is the compensation. idiot. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Sep 10, 2015 |
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Sep 10, 2015 22:53
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Wafflz posted:There are far more student athletes that take their education seriously than there are ones with a full course load of basket weaving and _______ studies. They just play sports that aren't on ESPN. Great they don't need a huge salary. Kick em like $100 a week. The players on national TV with millions watching during March Madness though maybe deserve a bit of cash.
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Sep 11, 2015 00:11
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Wafflz posted:They get paid tens of thousands of dollars in free education, just like the guy on a full ride swimming scholarship. It's their own fault if they take a load of bullshit courses and graduate with a worthless degree. Lol don't be retarded they take the classes their advisors tell them to take and most schools have specific watered down programs for athletes Tens of thousands of dollars in free education lmao according to who? The school that sets the price? If a college gave you a bullshit degree after making millions off you and said "dont worry tho these degrees are like $250k normally n poo poo" Like what kind of marginal cost is associated with each extra student do you think? Nowhere near what tuition costs. It's a completely bullshit one sided exploitative relationship in many cases esp in d1 schools. Like a D1 athlete has time for a STEM degree anyway it's like you ppl never went to college or something
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Sep 11, 2015 06:06
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PathAsc posted:Seems I touched a nerve. Tell me more about how choosing to play a college sport entitles you to money. Also, when I said tutoring you know exactly what I meant, don't be dense. College is a business, nothing more, and doing a sport to pay your way is payment enough. When your employer sells your labor and makes millions and gives you peanuts in return it is exploitative. The degree they get is often worthless Idk how that's so hard. If it's all a business how come they don't even get workers comp or something for an injury? Play for our school but if you get a career ending injury we'll drop your scholarship and you'll be stuck with medical and physical therapy bills bc lolo gently caress you you're just a student athlete. Real cool system.
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Sep 11, 2015 06:09
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Blue Raider posted:i agree with you on the 100/week stipend but the universities arent employers of the players. for one the players wouldnt be there if they didnt think they werent investing in their futures some way and also they arent professionals. you dont go to college to get paid. THAT SAID, sports take up a lot of time so a small stipend can make up for any lost opportunity for part time work yeah it's also coincidence that recruits get a bunch of kids in poverty. they don't have to go to college and play sports lol, they could always stay in the projects and work at McDonald's anyway yeah I'm not saying they should be making what professional athletes get paid but drat give em something. let's not pretend there aren't millions of dollars being made in the NCAA. almost a billion dollars a year in revenue. Yeah I know it's a non-profit but all that means is they're supposed to have their expenses be equal to their incomes. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Sep 11, 2015 07:49
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PathAsc posted:My whole point is it's a choice. I could've had a sports scholarship, instead I got a job and found ways to pay for college without destroying my body for "entertainment". Either way we're not going to agree, so I'll get back on topic for the thread. cool bro good thing every single person in this country has the same opportunities as you did recruiters definitely don't go to poverty stricken neighborhoods and dangle escape from the ghetto as incentive to get away from the bullshit to kids who don't have the grades or money to go to college otherwise. 'it's a choice' is some bullshit rhetoric you say about people getting exploited, just like people say for sweat shop workers. 'well they don't have to be there!' You're right, they don't have to, they could be dealing drugs or working 2 minimum wage jobs like everyone else grinding to get by. a person does the work and makes millions of dollars but sees absolutely no money from it, that's exploitation and it's bullshit. if you think I'm wrong then fine we can agree to disagree but stop with the classic conservative rhetoric from 15 years ago. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Sep 11, 2015 17:25
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PathAsc posted:I don't disagree that recruiters do that poo poo, all headhunter types do in all parts of business. I don't see how my views are conservative rhetoric when they're my own personal beliefs that I've unfortunately had to come to terms with. I've been in the shithole, still had enough common sense not to get sniped for some bullshit. It's dumb conservative rhetoric to look at an exploitative labor situation and go 'well they had a choice just like everyone else there are no problems here.' That's all I meant. Whether it is minimum wage grind work that will never result in advancement or working in a sweatshop. Some things are worse than others but just because people in China are killing themselves at Foxxconn that doesn't mean we shouldn't give a poo poo about other exploitative situations closer to home. Students in a master's program aren't on TV making the college money. No one is building a multi million dollar stadium complex for the grad students. That's the obvious difference; students pay for a service. Student Athletes do a job and are compensated in return. Their compensation is lacking. And yeah unpaid internships are retarded, too. idk if you really want to be making the argument that they're fine. I know they don't go into college expecting to get paid (because that's how it is now, if the NCAA paid then they'd presumably have an expectation of compensation) but they are also sold the whole song and dance of how a college degree will set them up for life and that's p obviously untrue in 2015, especially for a non-STEM degree. I'm glad you have the common sense to not get sniped on some bullshit but dude that doesn't mean scammers and exploitative employers are in the right or that people who do fall for the tricks somehow deserve it. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Sep 11, 2015 18:47
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Hector Beerlioz posted:"Hello, my name is Kevin Ware" no worker's comp for you also we're dropping your scholarship have a good life come back if you want to play basketball again
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Sep 11, 2015 18:53
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quote:Now Doughty felt blindsided again. Had his doctors at South Carolina misled him? Ignored his injuries? At 23, he had no job, no college degree, and no insurance. What was he going to do? After the injury was found, the Chiefs terminated his contract. Would the university pay for the surgery he needed? if you think this is an okay state of affairs you're a dick. quote:There is also no provision in the Division I Manual to prohibit a coach from revoking a scholarship the year after a recruit gets hurt. For those from poor families and without coverage through a parent, this means that a young man or young woman can be enlisted on the promise of an education, get injured on the field, and lose his or her only source of medical insurance precisely when he or she needs it most. "There is no doubt there are horror stories out there about schools terminating scholarships," says Warren Zola, assistant dean for graduate programs in the Carroll School of Management at Boston College and a sports business expert. "It comes down to the ethos of particular schools." Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Hector Beerlioz posted:Is that what happened to him? i think they paid for the medical bills since it was so high profile, and the injury itself wasn't that bad (i mean it looked gruesome sure but he was able to play a year later) but he's playing for a different school now iirc but there's definitely tons of players who get injured and lose their scholarship + medical insurance because of it and are just stuck with lifelong medical bills. millions of people watched that injury happen during a March Madness game and it sparked a national debate about the NCAA's policies but no one cares when some kid's spine gets snapped during practice. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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