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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 05:22 |
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Cleretic posted:Well, guess we're opening this thread with a confirmation. Jenna Coleman's leaving. It'll be a shame, but I think that she's had a good run. I'll miss Clara, but man I would love to see Shona become the new companion.
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# ¿ Sep 18, 2015 10:01 |
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CobiWann posted:Shona would be great, but I wouldn't mind Rigsy either. Been a while since the Doctor had a long-term male companion (Turlough?). Rory Anyway, so it's 100% agreed (and therefore confirmed) then - Rigsy and Shona for the new male/female companions!
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# ¿ Sep 18, 2015 10:57 |
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Rochallor posted:Delta and the Bannermen is a mostly funny, mostly good serial.
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# ¿ Sep 18, 2015 18:25 |
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Burkion posted:I just watched the Moon Base. Perfectly serviceable serial, very well paced. It's a Good Cyberman story and didn't involve them being ridiculous at all. It has a brilliant line from the second Doctor that I'm surprised doesn't come up more often. "There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things. Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought." That line actually gets quoted a lot when people mention Joseph Lidster
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# ¿ Sep 18, 2015 20:45 |
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Goddamn do I hate region locks, they're so stupid and bizarre a thing to have in this day and age.
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 00:32 |
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Getting this written up now while it is still fresh in my head, I'll probably dial way back on the audio chat over the course of the season after this. Short Synopsis: The 5th Doctor returns to Peladon and discovers arranged marriages, an underground religion, unmarried pregnant deities, and a couple of pissed off dudes who want revenge on the wrong people. Long Synopsis: Unexplained deaths on the planet of Peladon lead to the discovery of a surprising link between the planet and Erimem of all people. Who is to blame? The ghost of the murdered Queen? Gods angry at the abolishment of the old State Religion? The Royal Family hiding their own dark secrets? An unscrupulous fugitive looking to make a quick buck? The Queen-Mother bitter over her loss of power/prestige? Will a marriage-of-convenience save Peladon or simply make it's ultimate destruction come all the faster? The Doctor seeks answers, Peri attempts to keep a seething Ice Warrior from going over the edge, and Erimem makes an important decision that will end her travels with the Doctor and Peri. What's Good:
What's Not:
Final Thoughts: The Bride of Peladon sees a welcome return to a familiar setting, and does a good job of crafting a main plot where everything eventually comes together in a way that makes sense, even if it isn't always obvious as events are happening. Some of the supporting characters are a little unpleasant, annoying or frequently foolish, and some of them are rather concernedly treated effectively as props, particularly the victims of the main villain. But the three main cast members all get a good chance to shine and make use of their time in the sun. There seems to be a slightly troubling endorsement of the idea of "royal blood" being naturally superior to "peasant" blood until you consider the nature of one of the Royals (she is the daughter of an elected King), making the idea just that - an idea - the villain is effectively affected by their own prejudices/some form of psychic block. This is a story that crosses the fine line of enjoyable continuity references that enhance but don't alienate and,"You pretty much need to have seen the stories this is referencing for it to really work". That means if you've never seen the requisite Pertwee stories (and to a lesser extent a Tom Baker story as well) you're probably going to be rather lost and feel little to no investment in the characters and the events of the story. As a final story for Erimem, it mostly works in keeping in character and doing her good service, and oddly ends up giving Peri a chance to shine on her own.
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 05:50 |
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Toxxupation posted:Doctor Who loving sucks! Ahem, I think you will find that actually, Doctor Who rules.
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 05:52 |
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A bow and arrow? All that will do is take down spaceships in the upper atmosphere!
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 19:45 |
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Well so far this is creepy as poo poo, nice.
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 19:48 |
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Oh my loving God
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 19:49 |
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"Doctor who is required" It's WOTAN, I loving knew it!
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 19:52 |
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Ahahahahaha , oh Master
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 19:59 |
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Haha, this just keeps getting more and more batshit.
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 20:16 |
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That whole episode was a giant mess, but an incredibly enjoyable one.
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 20:30 |
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2house2fly posted:I don't know where people are getting "mess" from, there was nothing really confusing or out of nowhere, It wasn't confusing, it was just that the story threw everything and the kitchen sink in and there was a lot of tonal whiplash as scenes seemed to get packed in like sardines. As I said, I found it a very enjoyable mess, but a mess nonetheless.
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 20:46 |
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Gifs from The Magician's Apprentice.... also I really hate Imgur's new layout/uploading system Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Sep 20, 2015 |
# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 23:06 |
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Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Sep 20, 2015 |
# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 23:07 |
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I loved the sections where Davros is talking about the Daleks as his "children", as well as admitting that he has zero control over them and glorying to the fact that they're holding out on exterminating Clara till she runs. I like the idea that at the end of his life and resigned to his fate (which I don't believe for a second) he's willing to just sit back and enjoy the fruits of his labor, and enjoy the fact his "kids" are doing so well.
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2015 23:34 |
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Burkion posted:Also the Daleks have pretty much just won the Time War at this point. It's not even a question anymore. Davros should be proud. It's interesting because they undoubtedly "won" in that they survived and eventually rebuilt.... but I get this weird sense that they're now somehow "lesser" than they were - more in line with the (still galaxies spanning) Empire/threat level they were during the Hartnell years. They obviously still have some form of time travel technology, but I've just had this sense since Victory of the Daleks that they're not on the same level as they were during the Time War. The Master pointing out the potential of the TARDIS as an asset to their Empire was kinda interesting in that regard, since it suggests they're not capable of producing anything beyond the crude, brute-force time travel they developed for stories like The Chase. Who really knows of course, since nothing explicitly has been said, and Davros is around and he's basically capable of producing ANYTHING. It's just a sense I've had, and in a way that makes them the losers in the Time War, because the Time Lords did survive, and though they're not around anymore... they weren't ever really around before the Time War either. The Time Lords were always happy to be at the top of the food chain but isolated and non-interventionist, and now they're effectively as isolated as they can be. As we saw in Time of the Doctor, they're also more than capable of stepping in to gently caress up the Daleks big-time if forced to, but are kind of in a manner of detente in that coming back might kick off a whole new Time War as the Daleks have a history of escalating their abilities in reaction to a new enemy. If the Time Lords stay away, the Daleks may never rise above their current (and still unbelievably deadly) station in the Universe.
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 00:07 |
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The_Doctor posted:I really liked Missy's portrayal of being on an even par with the Doctor, to the point of being a surrogate Doctor for Clara/the audience when the real one is busy chatting to Davros. I love that the Doctor quietly offers the,"Gravity" line to the Master like he would to a companion, giving them a clue they can use to figure out what he already has.... and the Master just rolls her eyes and grunts,"I know! "
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 02:31 |
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Almost forgot the most important gif of all.
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 04:25 |
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I really enjoyed her contempt for Clara's sarcastic "It must be love" line, ripping into her for not being able to look beyond "reproductive urges" and getting in a dig at the "primitive" human race in the process. I've always enjoyed the notion that the Doctor looks at his human companions like children - smart, enthusiastic people to be guided who can also teach him a thing or two/show him new perspectives etc, and how that is contrasted by the Master who just considers them "pets" (in the worst way), barely above animals, things whose function is to amuse or otherwise stave off loneliness. It showcases how different the Doctor is from regular Time Lords, including the Master who is a whole other kind of renegade.
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 04:41 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Which is an interesting retcon because the Dalek's time machine was explicitly better than the TARDIS in The Chase Yeah but that was only because the Daleks sacrificed their ability to do basic math easily in order to get it to work. In all seriousness though, I haven't watched it for a while but I kinda recalled the Daleks only being able to follow the path that the Doctor was taking in his TARDIS, and the only time it actually goes anywhere ahead of the TARDIS is when the Doctor gets inside and programs it to return Ian and Barbara to 1963 (and he screws that up too!)? Of course a lot of this is just subject to interpretation since I doubt any long-term forward planning went into The Chase, and they just wanted a reason for the Daleks to be able to follow the Doctor into a number of different historical scenarios. I just generally get a sense that the Daleks' time-travel is more akin to the Vortex Manipulators than the TARDIS (which maybe means inside the Dalek casing they're frequently feeling nauseous!).
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 08:53 |
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Burkion posted:Where the Doctor was quite firmly against it, to boot. That was kinda the point though, Davros (being Davros) is trying to gently caress with the Doctor's head and force him to admit/act in a way that in his past he rejected or took the moral high ground over ("Would you do it, Davros? Would you do it?" being the Doctor condemning Davros for his "At any cost" mentality). The 12th Doctor abandoning young Davros to die when he realized who he was shows a level of hypocrisy that old Davros wants to exploit/rub the Doctor's nose in. "How dare you make those high-handed speeches to me about morality and look down your nose at me when given the right situation you'd "fail" the same hypothetical test you gave me - admit I was right, admit you're no better than me, before I die* give me the one last victory and let it haunt you forever. In short, gently caress you, Doctor." The cliffhanger plays on that idea, and of course not a single person watching actually expects the Doctor to really kill Davros (he'll probably shoot the hand mines to clear a path for him), it's just there for the drama of the moment. Most cliffhangers involves the Doctor or a companion seconds away from death and nobody really thinks they're actually going to be killed, the idea has been and probably always will be just to raise interest in HOW they get out of the seemingly hopeless situation they're in and it's the same thing here. * I highly doubt he's dying, and even if he is I fully expect him to figure a way out of it/have some kind of scheme set up to continue to live his horrible life.
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 17:37 |
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RunAndGun posted:And the over-the-top, hyper-complicated, extravagant way Missy came back: "OK, cutting to the chase: not dead, back, big surprise, nevermind..." What I like even better about that is that they don't even bother with an explanation for Davros. Last we saw him he was in a time-displaced section of space sitting on top of a giant bomb screaming that he'd rather die than be saved by the Doctor, then he's just back and nobody even bothers to question it because of course Davros is still alive, that's his thing.
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 18:24 |
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Well Manicured Man posted:And then the Daleks immediately betray her. No no no, the Doctor says to the Master,"You know the Daleks will just betray you when they get what they want, right?" and the Master will go,"" and then agree to team up to gently caress up those Dalek assholes who were going to betray her before she could betray them.
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 18:46 |
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Mr Beens posted:Things that are still to resolved (all of which are reasonably big) She's the Master, that's what she always does. If you want an explanation, as many of us noted when Death in Heaven aired, her "death" looked remarkably similar to the teleportation effect she used in that same episode - she also reveals in this episode she is wearing a Vortex Manipulator that enables crude travel through time and space, so there's your explanation right there.... as well as probably set up for her and Clara's ("your vortex manipulator is now slaved to mine") escape from their apparent deaths this episode. Mr Beens posted:Why was the doctor hiding? After he unknowingly went to Skaro and met child Davros, he felt shame and loathing over the fact he ran away and heads off to meditate on his actions. He then hears that old Davros is alive and looking for him, leading to.... Mr Beens posted:Why does he think it is his last day? He knows that eventually agents of Davros will catch up to him or that he will have to just suck it up and go visit him, and that Davros will probably kill him (and he figures maybe he deserves it). So he decides he'll go and enjoy himself for a little while as a going-away present for himself, then go face the music. Mr Beens posted:What is in his will? If it isn't some kind of trap/trick he's set up in advance, I imagine that it's ultimately irrelevant as anything more than a signifier for the characters (and the audience) that poo poo is serious and the Doctor thinks he is in trouble. Flea Wars posted:My favorite character is the BBC News strapline writer. That whole section felt so RTD that I was legitimately surprised that Trinity Wells didn't show up.
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 22:31 |
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CobiWann posted:For those who care, my review of The Magician's Apprentice will probably go up tomorrow evening. I'm very interested, I know for myself I prefer to look back at these episodes within the context of the entire season and how they relate to themes that might not have been immediately apparent. So it's cool to see reviews/write-ups in progress, kind of a purer look at the merits or otherwise of an episode without the benefit of hindsight to say,"Well this is automatically great now because it played into something coming 11 weeks down the line, even if it made no sense at the time."
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2015 23:14 |
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AndyElusive posted:Did I miss something? When did he get near total control over the TARDIS? There was a period there when the TARDIS thought it would be funny to let the Doctor think he actually had near total control over the TARDIS
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# ¿ Sep 21, 2015 01:22 |
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docbeard posted:The Doctor barely has full control over the Doctor, much less the TARDIS. Beautiful
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# ¿ Sep 21, 2015 01:36 |
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computer parts posted:The implication from the beginning of the episode is that the Doctor left Davros and he became an entity of hate because of that, but now it looks like the Doctor saves him even though he's going to go make the Daleks. I don't think the implication was supposed to be that the Doctor "created" Davros, the conditions he grew up in did a fine job of that, just that this gave the extra added wrinkle of the older Davros now having recovered the "memory" of meeting him at that pivotal moment, understanding the fresh context and realizing it was something he could goad the Doctor about. This isn't a predestination paradox where the Doctor ALWAYS met Davros as a child and had this impactful meeting with him, the Doctor never met Davros as a child until the 12th Doctor actually meet him, creating a new memory of an event that hadn't happened before*. Hell, the 12th Doctor himself isn't supposed to exist, initially when the 11th Doctor died at Trenzalore he stayed dead for good. Hell hell, Davros initially just created the Daleks and was killed by them, end of story. Then the 4th Doctor got sent back to interfere in their creation and inadvertently gave Davros new information to incorporate into his designs. * This is one of the reasons that the Time Lords want to keep from getting involved directly in the affairs of the rest of the universe, poo poo gets confusing!
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# ¿ Sep 21, 2015 03:32 |
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I agree that the opening section throws in a ton of ideas, each of which could have quite easily been explored as single episodes all to themselves. Too much all at once can feel like overkill, and the pacing does seem a little rushed to begin with. It's only after Clara meets with the Master that things start to slow down and get less frenetic, and once they arrive at the "hospital" the show settles into what feels like the single story it should have been addressing all along.CobiWann posted:Someone in the last thread wrote about Six and Davros becoming roommates and arguing over the dishwashing schedule... Davros was discussing the schedule, the Doctor had other concerns on his mind
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# ¿ Sep 21, 2015 04:38 |
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saucerman posted:Yeah, I don't see the connection to the plot, even if you include the snake dude in the list of "Apprentices". When UNIT brings in Clara, she's able to act as a surrogate for the Doctor, making connections that the others didn't and figuring things out - she's brought in as the next best thing to the Doctor, his apprentice (and he's later explicitly called a wizard). Of course this brings up any manner of other problems mentioned by others earlier in the thread, not least of which is that UNIT comes across as incompetent - perhaps the worst scene being when Clara asks about the fuel and Kate goes," I never thought of that!" but I think the title's meaning was fairly obvious in the context of the episode.
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# ¿ Sep 21, 2015 08:01 |
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Someone asked earlier whether the Handmines are what become the Daleks - not at all, unfortunately (for them) what becomes the Daleks are the Kaled people themselves, Davros comes to the conclusion that a nuclear wasteland is the only possible outcome of the ages-long war between the Thals and the Kaleds and therefore the only way to survive is to mutate the Kaleds into a form that can survive/thrive in high radiation. The Handmines would seem to be just one in a long series of horrible weapons designed by both sides as part of their arms race for superiority over the other side. When little Davros grows up, he'd become the Head Scientist for the Kaleds and design even more of the same type of thing, with the Daleks being his ultimate end weapon. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Sep 21, 2015 |
# ¿ Sep 21, 2015 11:54 |
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Angela Christine posted:Heh. "What's the matter buddy? Ever since your handmines idea got shot down, you've just clammed up." "Clams...... of course! It's all so obvious now "
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# ¿ Sep 21, 2015 12:32 |
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This guy has the best job in the world
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# ¿ Sep 22, 2015 15:10 |
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Sad King Billy posted:When I saw Snake Man, I was reminded of The Mara. A friend of mine who claims to just be a casual fan saw the Snake Man and immediately shouted out,"KINDA?" "Casual fan" my rear end
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# ¿ Sep 22, 2015 22:48 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:He's only kinda casual
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# ¿ Sep 22, 2015 23:00 |
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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 05:22 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Also he means Mara, the Kinda were the people and the Mara were the snakes. Yeah I know, but I'd already caught him out on being a secret fan, I wasn't gonna scare him off by saying,"ACTUALLY I believe you mean the Mara "
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2015 00:31 |