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colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Still can't decide if last year's finale was one of the best or worst hours of TV I've ever seen. It was definitely... something.

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colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

I wonder when the S6 trailer is going to drop. It was January 30 last year but I know that the air date is a little later this year.
Still though I wonder if they're a bit behind in production given that I'm sure the writing process was harder this year without much source material to draw on.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Apparently HBO isn't releasing any screeners to critics this year after the first four leaked last year :laugh:

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

quote:

LONDON — Ian McShane is not a man to mince his words.

It wasn't long after he was announced as having a role in the next Game of Thrones season that he casually dropped a massive spoiler about his role — and it doesn't sound as though he has any remorse.

“You say the slightest thing and the internet goes ape,” McShane told the Telegraph. “I was accused of giving the plot away, but I just think get a loving life. It’s only tits and dragons."

Make this the main thread title for Season 6 please.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Ague Proof posted:

Stephen Dillane quote

lol the source in French is even a bit stronger than that: http://next.liberation.fr/images/2016/03/13/stephen-dillane-a-la-gauche-du-trone_1439355

quote:

Rétif à évoquer le sujet («on est obligés d’en parler ?»), il n’a jamais participé aux tournées promotionnelles mastodontes. Pourquoi donc ? «Pas intéressé», rétorque-t-il, agacé. Comme s’il était spectateur d’une carrière en dents de scie, il se prête au jeu en somnambule. Il confie, évasif : «Je ne regrette pas d’avoir fait Game of Thrones mais je n’ai rien à en dire. Je ne comprenais ni la série ni son succès quand j’y participais. L’expérience a été très bizarre, elle m’est passée sous le nez. Pour qu’un rôle me plaise, il faut que je puisse m’y intéresser, ce qui n’était pas vraiment le cas. J’étais un peu dépassé par les événements.» Il confirme, néanmoins, que son personnage ne reviendra pas, y compris sous forme ectoplasmique. Du tournage en costumes dans cette usine à gaz aux quatre coins de la planète, on ne saura rien, hormis, qu’il était «difficile car c’est une grosse machine». Pourquoi, alors, s’y être engagé ? Long silence, de plus en plus exaspéré. «Entre autres, pour l’argent.»

my translation (not 100% sure on a couple phrases, it's been a while)

quote:

Reluctant to discuss the topic ("Do we have to?"), he never took part in the show's huge promotional tours. Why not? "Not interested," he replies, annoyed. He sleepwalked his way through the role, as if it was just another part of an up-and-down career.. He confides, evasively, "I don't regret having done Game of Thrones, but I have nothing to say about it. I didn't understand the series or its popularity when I was on it. The experience was very strange, it sort of slipped through my fingers. For a role to satisfy me, I have to be interested in it, which wasn't really the case. Events kind of passed me by." He confirms, however, that his character is not returning, not even in ectoplasmic (?) form. From the shooting of this incredibly complicated production, one wouldn't know anything, except that it was "difficult because it's such a huge machine." Why then, did he take part? After a long and increasingly exasperated silence. "For money, among other things."

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Alternatively I wonder if they decided to kill him off last season just so both parties could move on, if he was that uninvested in the role.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Is there even a point to having two separate threads anymore? Even if there are bits from AFFC and ADWD included in this season, there really aren't any huge spoilers left now that Jon is "dead". Maybe Varys killing Pycelle and Kevan but who even knows if that will still happen.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

EW put up some new photos from this season: http://www.ew.com/gallery/game-thrones-season-6-photos/2536583_all-crops-gallery-game-thrones-2016-bts-airdate-tk


colonel_korn
May 16, 2003



lol at Mace. That's pretty perfect. Also the Tyrell armor which I don't think we've seen before.



liking the vintage Kingsguard armor too.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

OTOH I remember last year that a description of the fight between the Sand Snakes and Jaime/Bronn was leaked, including Bronn punching out Prince Trystane when he gets sassy, and I thought it was too stupid to be true. welp

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

I hope the first Behind the Episode features Dave & Dan saying "We were blown away when George told us that Melisandre is 400 years old" so we can see another westeros.org freakout.

(Yeah, I know it's been unsubtly hinted at in the text, but to my recollection it hasn't been explicitly described)

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

from another tumblr:



quote:

Ramsay Sue mourns Myranda, talks about how much he loves her, and then when asked if he wants to bury her, orders his men to give her “good meat” to the dogs.

lol

Sounds like they're picking up right where they left off with last year's finale

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

emanresu tnuocca posted:

So did they retcon Trystane out of the boat or was he never on the boat and I'm just making up poo poo? wtf is up with that?

Apparently he's on a different boat that left later, or something

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Slightly Toasted posted:

Apparently nobody told them that you never go full retard

Eh, everyone knows that you want a good plot, but you need the full retard

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Elias_Maluco posted:

Is really amazing how bad they managed to gently caress up the Dorne arc.

It inst very good on thew books either an then it also involves a bunch of characters that they decided to skip (which was actually a good decision), so they had to rewrite it almost completely. its understandable.

But what they came up with was so awful in every way that it is like it was written by David's retarded 10 years old nephew

D&D are bad writers

It's somewhat reminiscent of Qarth from Season 2. What was in the books wouldn't work, but what they decided to replace it with was just as bad, if not worse.

Though I suppose the Qarth arc was somewhat redeemed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P38EG97zlOg

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

hemophilia posted:

Is anybody actually sad or is that entirely imagined payback?

https://twitter.com/hippoiathanatoi/status/724502589941944320
https://twitter.com/hippoiathanatoi/status/724502727984840704

e: I assume this is about the Melisandre being 400 years old thing, in which case, lol

colonel_korn posted:

I hope the first Behind the Episode features Dave & Dan saying "We were blown away when George told us that Melisandre is 400 years old" so we can see another westeros.org freakout.

(Yeah, I know it's been unsubtly hinted at in the text, but to my recollection it hasn't been explicitly described)

colonel_korn fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 25, 2016

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Demiurge4 posted:

Since we're on the topic of Daario and it's actually been a few years now. Was it ever revealed why they changed the actor out? Was he just too creepy for a show with loving Littlefinger in it, or did he gently caress a producers wife or what?

He left because he got a job as the new Transporter. Kinda like how the original Mountain left to be in The Hobbit, except that old Daario actually did get to star in a movie instead of being replaced by a CGI orc.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Mike N Eich posted:

It's amazing how much the show-only material declined. In seasons 1-3 the show only material was usually fantastic, you had scenes like Robert with Cersei, Tywin with Arya, Olenna with anyone, etc etc. They all were used to flesh out these characters and make em feel more real.

Even back then they still struggled when they had to significantly alter the plot versus added scenes that contributed to characterization or background. It wasn't really an issue in Season 1 (in large part since AGoT is by far the most tightly written book and they didn't really have to make any major adaptations to the plot), but in Season 2 they had to and ended up with goofy stuff like Dany futzing around in Qarth, Littlefinger trying to get back with Cat by bringing her back her husband's corpse and just generally moving around Westeros at the speed of plot, Jaime casually murdering his own cousin, etc. I think that the problem has just been exacerbated as the books became more sprawling and they started running out of material, but it was always there.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Hey uh, why were Marge and Loras actually arrested in the show? I feel it was something stupid, like Loras accidentally said "Sure loved Renly's COCK" and Margaery got arrested for saying "My brother's not a homo" under oath?

Littlefinger gets his gay spy (Olyvar?) to rat out Loras in order to gain favor with Cersei, I think. And yeah then Margaery gets arrested for lying to defend him since she walked in on him and Olyvar earlier that season.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

stinkles1112 posted:

Ramsay passing off his patricide as assassination by the enemies of House Bolton is maybe not completely stupid, depending how they execute it.

It will be executed: badly

Seriously the Winterfell plot is by far the most compelling part of ADwD, what with the claustrophobia, Manderly's subterfuge, Roose trying to keep his allies while also pitting them against one another, unexplained murders, Theon possibly having a psychotic break... and what we end up with is Ramsey basically becoming an all-powerful supervillain and everything else just kind of revolving around whatever lovely thing he'll do next.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

I liked how last week, Ramsey fed a dead girl to dogs, which segued nicely into this week, where he fed a live woman and infant to those very same dogs. Excellent use of foreshadowing by the writers.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Majorian posted:

Dear everybody whining about Ramsay "getting away with whatever he wants" - you do realize he's not actually going to get away with this, right? He's not smart enough to keep the North together, and it's not going to take very long for his own (metaphorical and literal) hounds to turn on him and tear him to pieces.

This will be after four seasons of him wantonly torturing, murdering and raping people with virtually no consequences -- is there any mystery as to why people are a little burnt out on the character? Heck I know several who were burnt out by the end of Season 3 where they kept checking back on him every other episode to confirm that yes, he was still torturing Theon and yes, it was still really awful.

I do think that they felt that they needed a New Joffrey given how popular Jack Gleeson was; the problem is that (IMHO anyways) what makes Joffrey compelling isn't that he's an incredibly cruel piece of poo poo, it's that he's an incredibly cruel piece of poo poo surrounded by people like Tyrion, Tywin and (to a lesser degree) Cersei, who are trying to keep him in check so that he doesn't do something incredibly destructive. It's the whole dynamic of whether they'll succeed or whether Joffrey will just snap and take all the power for himself that's interesting. Ramsey's "arc" on the show is entirely missing that, so it just comes off a continual stream of unpleasantness. It's basically the Craster's Keep sequence from S4 (complete with Jon heroically coming in to dispatch him at the end) except extended over four seasons instead of two episodes.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

hemophilia posted:

The bad pussy line was so bad. Up to that point I thought the bitching about dorne was kind of overblown,

eh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6O4wBcYN0

I don't think there's been a single scene involving them since then that wasn't bad

Professor Shark posted:

One of them is nymph like, one of them is less traditionally beautiful and is the tough one, one of them is the other one, and the last one is the angry MILF

Titty Snake, Scowly Snake, Whippy Snake and Mama Snake

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Vegetable posted:

It's hard to do a cool fight scene with just swords. GOT has shaken it up only by introducing brutal deaths or gritty melee scenes (Hound v Brienne). The best stuff has non-sword weapons (Oberyn v Mountain, or maybe Jorah in the arena). Dual wield was cool and good IMO, however unrealistic.
Season 1 had some great swordfights -- Ned/Jaime, Bronn/Vardis, and Jorah/Qotho all stand out as being theatrical but also not over-the-top unrealistic.
It's interesting to think about what the Tower of Joy scene would have been like if they had decided to film it for Season 1. They were pretty slavishly devoted to the books back then.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

To elaborate, the Mad King (Aerys) was married to Rhaella and they had three* kids: Rhaegar, Viserys, and Daenerys. Rhaegar married Elia of Dorne, who was killed by Gregor. Dany's mom (Rhaella) died in childbirth as she fled with Viserys following the sack of King's Landing.

* Though apparently the officially licensed fan-fic added a whole bunch of other babby Targs who died in between Rhaegar and Viserys. I guess they figured they needed to explain the age gap between the two.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Solice Kirsk posted:

Who the hell is going to kill Kevan now? Littlefinger? Varys flies back to Kings Landing?

Probably Qyburn instead. Chekhov's Birds and all that.

Like, Cersei will be getting all mad that the Small Council is standing in her way, so Qyburn will have Pycelle and Kevan killed. I just thought of this but I'm like 95% sure it's what will happen since they introduced the little birds last episode and it's a streamlined version of what happens in the book.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Ciprian Maricon posted:

It's a shockingly common thing for shows to just collapse over the years, and I'd honestly love to read some insiders view on why that happens but the fact that its common or "expected" or whatever doesn't make it unreasonable for the audience to suddenly go "what the gently caress, this is garbage"

I was thinking about this the other day and trying to think of shows that actually got better in later seasons. The only ones I could think of were Star Trek: TNG and DS9. I think it's true of a lot of creative fields though. I mean, there aren't a ton of bands out there where people think their sixth or seventh album is the best one, either.

e: on that note, can someone explain Dexter to me? I'm aware of the basic premise of the show but never watched it, but I've heard people talk about it having one of the worst last seasons ever or something.

colonel_korn fucked around with this message at 16:43 on May 11, 2016

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

TommyGun85 posted:

It was good at first because of his unique deranged perspective into killing people but the last season and finale are the worst things to ever have been produced.

Its bad. Real bad.

Yeah this is the part I'm curious about, like in what way was it so legendarily awful?

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Ague Proof posted:

He's even trying to get ASOIAF fans to read his other books.

quote:

“Oh, even prettier. Though if truth be told, I have only seen the one.” Maar took her hand in his own, and kissed her lightly on the wrist. “Jon Snow, the legitimate child of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. Aegon is really a Blackfyre. Mistwood sent word of your coming, sweet princess. We will be honored to escort you to the Roost, but I fear you have missed Lord Connington and our young prince.”

Wait is that an actual excerpt from the released chapter? I didn't know that RLJ being true and Aegon being a Blackfyre had actually been confirmed (depending on whether that guy is just bullshitting or not, I guess)

e: nm I fell for it :argh:

colonel_korn fucked around with this message at 21:28 on May 11, 2016

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

akulanization posted:

"wouldn't it make sense if the cock merchant told him he needed a dwarf cock, and this led him to hunt for tyrion? what else is he gonna do?"

Thanks for reminding me of how last season Tyrion convinced the slavers not to kill him because of his valuable cock, and then in the next episode the slaver gives him away to Yezzan for next to nothing because why not.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Littlefinger found out pretty fast about Roose and Stannis getting killed. I guess he upgraded his spy network after they forgot to mention the whole "Ramsey is a sadistic lunatic" thing before he gave Sansa over. Also this will be the second time in like 5 episodes that Drogon swoops in at the last moment to rescue Dany. I mean I guess they might have some kind of magic/psychic connection or something but it's a little trite.

Kevan owning people left and right is cool though. Too bad he's gonna die :(

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Unzip and Attack posted:

That hut scene was the dumbest poo poo I've ever seen on TV. The cherry on top was them not burning her hair off this time she became the white savior of brown people by burning herself to scare them.

This time?

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003


In hindsight, having the protagonist of S5 and S6 casually murder a much-liked character from the first three seasons is a pretty apt metaphor for the progression of the show

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ5QtQ59Nc8

Goddamn Littlefinger gets around

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Elias_Maluco posted:

People here are always really great in filling the obvious gaps the writers leave with something logical. We also had some great explanations about how the sad snakes got to materialize inside the boat in KL or how LF plan of giving Sansa to the Boltons was actually really clever.

There's an entire tumblr site dedicated to hating the show where they refer to this as "honeypotting" based on the theory that Talisa was a Lannister plant that I believe was first advanced by our very own In It For the Tank.

quote:

Honeypotting/The Honeypot Phenomenon: D&D Logic doesn’t adhere to normal logic, and it is not uncommon for the show to seem entirely devoid of sense, or at least any sort of complexity. Because of this, many fans provide rationalizations, or well thought out theories, in an attempt to understand the show or paint it in a kinder light. Unfortunately, these explanations often display more thought that what’s actually on the screen. The most famous example of this was the “Lannister Honeypot Theory,” where everyone figured that Talisa was such a stupid invention on the part of D&D, there had to be more to her. Once she began writing letters in Volatine to her mommy, the theory was that she was really a Lannister spy sent to seduce Robb into breaking his vows, enabling the Red Wedding to occur.

But no. Like Talisa, the Lannister Honeypot Theory was stabbed repeatedly in 3×09. She was exactly what she appeared: a noble woman from Volantis who was such an awesome feminist that she would walk around battlefields without a chaperone and sass-talk a king. It may be tempting to honeypot things like “well, maybe two weeks passed in these back-to-back scenes were a raven went from King’s Landing to the Eyrie.” No. It’s always the most idiotic and straight-forward answer possible. Trust us.

(By the way that site is a good eye-opener for anyone who thinks that this thread is the apex of online snark about the show. It could be much worse.)

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Vitamin P posted:

It's also that Joffrey had a huge supporting cast surrounding him, talking about how to deal with him, he was a part of lots of other moving plots and there was a tension in the high court expectations and his psychopathy. There was also the possibility of character development there. Whereas Ramsay is just on his own, unassailable until the plot decides he isn't, and every interesting character he might interact with, Theon, Sansa, Roose, Osha, hell even his hunting buddy was something, is gone.

Yeah seriously

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRrV1ff33iM

Stuff like this is so much better than anything they've written for Ramsey, in large part because Joffrey *doesn't* get what he wants and you know he's going to try to make up for it later.

It really is a shame that they decided not to go with a more by-the-book version of the Winterfell plotline because it has a lot of the same great elements with Roose trying to play the different Northern factions against one another and keep the whole situation from exploding. But nah let's just have Ramsey shank him and feed his wife and baby to some dogs instead.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Subvisual Haze posted:

I think the biggest flaw in the greater story was ironically Martins willingness to kill off major characters. In the show especially losing Ned Robert Cat Tywin Jofrey etc. just saps the story of its best acted characters. That and scattering the remaining characters to so many separate locations really hurts the flow of the main story.

The show's compounding the problem though. I mean, who knows what will happen in TWOW but in the last season and a half they've killed off Mance, Barristan, Stannis, Roose and Doran, all of whom are still around in the books and all of whom were played by pretty good actors. I think they've fallen into the trap of thinking that they need shock deaths to keep up the momentum of Seasons 3 and 4 but it's leaving the cast pretty thin.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Roman Reigns posted:

It could be intentional. At the very least, it's the vibe I got at the end of the episode, where Dany was less white savior and more ruthless conqueror. I might be giving the show too much credit.
You are.

quote:

As Clarke excitedly describes the scene to EW: “It’s so exciting, very tingly-making. Every season I get at least one spine-chilling moment. I just stand up and I go, ‘I’m hearing what you’re all saying, but funny thing, I’m going to kill you all. I forgot that I have an ace in my back pocket and now I win.’”

quote:

“That’s what’s most fun about this,” Weiss says. “You know from the first season that, as you say, it’s her ‘superpower,’ but this is not really that type of story. It’s almost like the revelation she had when Jorah and Daario come to the rescue. She’s like, ‘Wait, I can do something none of these people can do and now that these two people can help me, I can use that to my advantage.’ It’s a very simple solution, a plan where you can use three people to take out dozens in a very dramatic way by just lighting things on fire and standing there.”

And by taking out the Dothraki leadership and showing her power to their followers, the queen of Meereen potentially gains an even larger army. “She realizes that this is the missing piece,” Clarke says. “The Dothraki are the missing piece of her crew – she’s seemingly indestructible having Dothraki on her side.”
It's actually totally empowering when the white protagonist defeats the rapist savages by virtue of her superior genetics, burning down their house of worship with them trapped inside it. :waycool:

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

drunken officeparty posted:

Can a book reader explain who Lady Stoneheart is to me. I know it's zombie Catelyn Stark but that's it. What does she do? How is she rezzed?
Wiki excerpt:

quote:

Three days after her death,[25] Catelyn's corpse is retrieved from the Green Fork by Arya Stark's direwolf, Nymeria, who runs away when humans approach.[26] Catelyn is resurrected by Lord Beric Dondarrion, who gives his life for hers through the last kiss. Catelyn's wounds only partially heal, however, leaving her mutilated and without the ability to speak. She becomes consumed with the desire for vengeance over her family's betrayal and murder. She becomes known as Lady Stoneheart and assumes command of Beric's outlaw band, the brotherhood without banners. She leads the brotherhood in mercilessly pursuing and executing everyone she considers a Lannister collaborator, among them Petyr and Merrett Frey at Oldstones.[24]

While leading the brotherhood, Stoneheart's outlaws come upon a small party led by Brienne of Tarth, who informs her that she is searching for Sansa at the behest of Jaime Lannister. Stoneheart says that Brienne has turned traitor, as she carries Oathkeeper, a Lannister sword forged from the Stark Valyrian steel blade, Ice. Brienne swears she is still faithful but Stoneheart insists she must prove it by killing Jaime. Brienne refuses, stating that Jaime has changed. Stoneheart says she must choose, either kill Jaime or be hanged. Brienne refuses to choose and is sentenced to hang, along with her companions. As she is being hanged, she sees Podrick Payne choking and dying, and shouts "sword" to save him.[29][30]

Having been spared by the brotherhood, Brienne appears briefly at Pennytree when Jaime camps there. She asks Jaime to help her save Sansa Stark from the Hound, claiming they are a day's ride away. She tells Jaime, however, that he must go with her alone, or the Hound will kill Sansa.[31] The scenario she describes, however, seems unlikely to be real, as Sansa was last seen by readers in the Vale,[32] and Brienne has been told Sandor Clegane is dead (though Brienne herself now uses "The Hound" to refer to Lem, who has acquired Clegane's helmet[29]).

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colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

quote:

Episode 606, titled “Blood of My Blood,” will air on May 29th.

The official synopsis: An old foe comes back into the picture. Gilly (Hannah Murray) meets Sam’s (John Bradley) family. Arya (Maisie Williams) faces a difficult choice. Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) faces off against the High Sparrow (Jonathan Pryce).

The episode is written by Bryan Cogman and directed by Jack Bender.

Episode 607 will be titled “The Broken Man,” and will make its debut on Sunday, June 5th.

The official synopsis: The High Sparrow eyes another target. Jaime confronts a hero. Arya makes a plan. The North is reminded.

This one is also written by Bryan Cogman. This is the first season 6 episode directed by Mark Mylod, who helmed 2 episodes in season 5.

"Old foe" is Walder Frey, I'm guessing. The Broken Man might be the Hound? Not sure about the hero that Jaime confronts.

As for "the North is reminded"... I wonder if they're going to shoehorn Frey Pies in there somehow.

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