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CrazyLoon posted:I often wonder at how much of a chance the EU has of doing the United States dance in the future, or as in how long would it theoretically take for it to start considering itself as "one nation indivisible" and all. Well, consider it took a Civil War for that to happen in the US.
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Toplowtech posted:Technicaly, it just mean a policeman seeing a group of more than a "few people" in the street is justified to go see what's going on. So lot of young people don't want to go outside to smoke in group because the gendarmerie is technically allowed to come see if they are smoking or carrying marijuana. Think of it as super expanded justifiable cause. I guess your 9/11 really has come.
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Mar 19, 2016 17:44
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The solution is to have the EU act like an actual union of states and have the federal government assume the debts of its state components.
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Mar 21, 2016 23:33
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GaussianCopula posted:It's anti-religious, but I guess it's only cool if you are against Christianity or Judaism because they rank high enough on the privilege scale. The equivalent scenario in Christianity would be every single Christian denomination apologizing for the Catholic Pedophile scandal. That isn't demanded.
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Apr 3, 2016 15:38
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khwarezm posted:No it wouldn't, the equivalent scenario would be that Catholic communities apologize for systematically turning a blind eye to the Catholic Pedophile scandal, that is demanded. No, because Shia are expected to apologize for ISIS as well.
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Apr 3, 2016 15:45
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khwarezm posted:According to who, exactly? If you go to France there lots of stereotypical 'Good ones' who tend to be Iranian and Lebanese. According to anyone who doesn't specify Sunnis (even though that's as dumb a standard as requiring "Protestants" to apologize for the Westboro Baptist Church).
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Apr 3, 2016 15:50
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GaussianCopula posted:Well, I don't think Judaism has changed all that much, as it never was brutal and warmongering outside of "leave us alone or else JHWH is going to make you regret loving with us". Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
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Apr 3, 2016 16:38
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GaussianCopula posted:Well, they were loving (literally) with the Israelits to seduce them to worship Baal-Peor. JHWH couldn't let that just slip. And the Caliphate just existed to save those pagans from the darkness of hell. YHWH was giving them a blessing.
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Apr 3, 2016 16:50
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hypnorotic posted:Why do Europeans spend so much time on slavery in the US? Wasn't the slave trade in the Caribbean and Brazil much more brutal in terms of life expectancy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
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Apr 3, 2016 18:34
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waitwhatno posted:Haiti and Brazil are not cultural superpowers flooding every part of the planet with their history and pop culture. They are, however, systems imposed by Europeans that were abolished after independence.
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Apr 3, 2016 19:48
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Doesn't change the fact that US cultural dominance is so powerful that it assimilates people outside its border, to the point that US history is as natural a reference point as their own, if not more. Or it could just mean Europeans don't want to point out their own shameful poo poo, like the  types here.
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Apr 3, 2016 19:54
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khwarezm posted:Your are singularly obsessed with whinging about Europe aren't you? Well yeah, it is the Europe thread.
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Apr 3, 2016 20:03
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waitwhatno posted:A modern Brit is not that much more related to the 18th century British Empire than a modern American. Both are remote descendants of it. Ok, but the Mexican part of my family might not like that.
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Apr 3, 2016 20:13
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GaussianCopula posted:Spaniards are Europeans too. They're Mestizo. A Buttery Pastry posted:It's actually because we dislike cultural imperialists like you denying the way your cultural dominance strips other cultures of their history. A European calling someone else a cultural imperialist is ironic.
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Apr 3, 2016 20:19
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The ironic part is you treating all of Europe as a homogeneous entity worthy only of contempt, ignoring that many peoples in Europe have more often been the victim of imperialism than the benefactors, especially as you move east. I guess that serves the purpose of justifying American cultural imperialism pretty well though, so no need to question it on your part. Right, I should respect your cultural contributions, like dressing up in blackface for Christmas.
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Apr 4, 2016 06:52
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Baxta posted:Solar Farms. Kinda hard to do in Germany.
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Apr 21, 2016 23:40
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pigdog posted:Meanwhile, fewer than 500 of 163,000 asylum seekers in Sweden last year found jobs So how many of those are children?
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Jun 1, 2016 23:25
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Peace in the Middle East is like fusion; always 20 years away. They used to say that about Ireland though.
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Jun 2, 2016 05:13
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Sinteres posted:Maybe the left shouldn't have hitched their wagon to open borders. A racist left seems to be defeating the point.
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Jun 4, 2016 17:54
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Friendly Humour posted:Correct. That's basically what Slavoj Zizek has been saying for years, that going forward the capitalistic system will not be able to sustain itself in a democratic society. Hell, nowadays the most succesful capitalistic societies are already ones without democracy. But I can assure you that a people used to democracy will not accept its demise without a bitter, bloody fight. The future of class war is going to be incredible. The only majorly successful non-democratic capitalist country right now is China and they're still going through their industrialization phase. Most of Europe during that same phase was non-democratic as well.
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Jun 4, 2016 18:01
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Sinteres posted:The right rejects open borders because of racism, but the left could have rejected them because of the practical effect mass immigration has of destroying solidarity and fueling far right parties. Privileging the concerns of immigrants who don't even share leftist goals over the concerns of native workers is why workers give up on the left. My point is that supporting policies that racists explicitly do for racist reasons, even if your motives are different, is bad.
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Jun 4, 2016 18:28
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Sinteres posted:So is denying reality and playing the noble martyr. At some point purity has to be balanced against winning. A socialist says this?
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Jun 4, 2016 18:32
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:Why attack him personally? Attack his argument. The argument is absurd, coming from a socialist. Context matters.
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Jun 4, 2016 18:35
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:okay, then say he's right wing. the argument loving stands. No, because then he's also a racist. Unless you mean to imply the argument is inherently racist, which is an interesting line of thought.
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Jun 4, 2016 18:38
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:okay so now he's a racist. what else are you going to throw out there to avoid having to deal with the argumnent?? I'm assuming he's not a racist, just that his argument is hypocritical. You're the one saying he's racist.
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Jun 4, 2016 18:46
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The argument is bad. Why it's bad depends on the speaker. But regardless, it's bad. Sorry if they don't teach critical thinking skills in your country.
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Jun 4, 2016 18:48
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Sinteres posted:I'm not really a socialist, but I'm not concern trolling either; it genuinely surprises me to see that this is the hill the left has chosen to die on after the financial crisis and repercussions actually could have given them some momentum on economic issues. I think some fundamental flaws with the neoliberal order were exposed, but now that discussion has been overshadowed by the immigration crisis and the people are increasingly turning to the right rather than the left as a result. I do see a moral good in helping the less fortunate from other countries of course, but denying that there's any opportunity cost in doing so seems absurd to me. that's a strange narrative you're creating since austerity was the go-to solution in Europe for years before the refugee crisis started. Like, yeah maybe if they were within a few months of each other you'd have an argument, but either there was no push by the left at all or it was attempted and failed. Either way, the Syrians weren't the issue.
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Jun 4, 2016 18:59
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Zudgemud posted:But the building of a strong left state have always included a hefty amount of nationalism as that is an easy way for achieving the necessary unity for enacting reforms. And historically those states have fallen. The track record of nationalist leftist states isn't really much better than non-nationalist ones. Hell, the USSR was an extremely diverse nation.
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Jun 5, 2016 08:20
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Lagotto posted:Jezus Christ, what kind of loving drivel is this? The UNA bomber transcripts make more sense. No wonder the left is the foomed dead end sewer bend of modern politics. In short, relying on FYGM as a basis of leftist policy is flawed because the definition of who you identify with is arbitrary. People can always create an outgroup to scapegoat. So first it's only the citizens of (eg) the UK that deserve a safety net. Then it's the English specifically. Then it's the White English specifically. Then it's the White English in the London Area. continue on and on.
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Jun 5, 2016 18:33
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waitwhatno posted:Nobody did, it's called "Fortress Europe" for a reason. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a poor man to immigrate legally to Europe. So they just need to live in Jerusalem?
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Jun 27, 2016 15:21
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Ligur posted:An American New Yorker probably has less qualms about some of his tax money going to upstate rednecks vs some guy in country X being told hey, bitch, we need to fund some other guys halfway around the contient who just happened to prop their system with cheap loans, who have a completely different political system, don't speak the same language and have their own national anthem, and who also think you are an uptight foreigner gently caress. Obviously the solution is to have a Eurozone Civil War, since we had the same issue in Antebellum America.
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Jul 8, 2016 17:08
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Large parts of Central/Eastern/Northern Europe were either empty, or so sparsely inhabited that the locals were assimilated into the newcomers, meaning they retained the claim to the land through their descendants. Palestine and South Africa too.
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Jul 30, 2016 07:58
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GaussianCopula posted:The problem with these "open border" policies is that they are incompatible with the modern (European) welfare state especially since to cost of relocating has decreased drastically. Yeah, it only takes one dead toddler to cross the Mediterranean successfully these days.
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Jul 30, 2016 14:53
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Zudgemud posted:The mortality for refugees and migrants crossing the mideterranean sea to Europe is probably markedly less than the mortality from moving to the Americas when the US had a largely unrestricted immigration. Probably not, honestly, unless you're including "Starving due to lack of potatoes" as a risk when traveling.
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Jul 30, 2016 15:31
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GaussianCopula posted:That's still illegal immigration. If it were legal to immigrate from any country into EU all you need is a plane ticket, which will cost you maybe $500 tops. That's not the context of the discussion, sorry.
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Jul 30, 2016 16:14
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Zudgemud posted:More low skill work would be lovely though, but I don't think our government and economy can will this into existence. The required slaughtering hard fought employment laws seem counterproductive and a 6h workday appears to be unpopular utopianism. Isn't there like a major housing bubble in Scandinavia and elsewhere due to lack of construction? I mean yeah you can't just say "put these guys to work" and everything's fixed, but there is some necessary work to be done even if it's not America levels of "bridges are falling apart".
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Jul 31, 2016 15:48
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Ligur posted:Hahahaha yes funny joke, for sure. Yeah probably, white people are terrible.
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Aug 6, 2016 17:33
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Ligur posted:Did some idiot really compare babies born to their parents to asylum seekers? Like REALLY? Lots of asylum seeker are babies too.
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Aug 7, 2016 15:30
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Ligur posted:If surplus population was an economic boon most of Sub-Saharan Africa would be super rich. There's about twice as many developed nations in the top 20 countries by population as subsaharan nations.
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GaussianCopula posted:c) There is no expectation that the child will have to leave the country, will it's generally assumed that refugees will return to their country of origin once the conflict from which they fled ended Gee, if only there were some way around that.
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