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Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Token "Bill Shorten will never become PM"

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Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Anidav posted:

Apparently the LNP are extremely worried about NSW because Baird is starting to blow up for them.

I'm sure Tony is going to help calm that fire.

e;fb.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

:eyepop:

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


The libertarians are mad at the Liberals for being too socialist.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Senator Online, but with bitcoin is a real dumb idea. I'm sorry.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

What a strange article by Rundle. A mess and confusion of ideas where I'm left unsure as to the purpose of the article. Even by his own argument, he makes a good case as to why they should teach 'gender fluidity' to teens (when they are most likely to experiment, and to normalise it as a mean to combat bullying). On one hand he accepts that people diverge from the norm, yet we shouldn't explain these divergences too broadly because... Many of the arguments are used to argue against the idea of transgenderism and the 'overemphasis' of non-hetero sexuality in sex education (drat gays getting pushy with their homosexuality :argh:). It all seems a bit odd to me.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

fliptophead posted:

A friend of mine yesterday was busy telling me the greens are the main driver behind pubs playing live music bring shut down in the suburbs because they're against noise pollution.

Not just being told to stop playing music but also to be shut down.

Global loudening is a serious issue.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Stoca Zola posted:

Phone posting but wtf greens is this real? "This morning we announced our plan to put solar panels on the rooftops of every household and every business."

Aren't photovoltaic panels still fairly environmentally damaging to manufacture (silicon tetrachloride) and increasingly panels are made in the countries less likely to look after the environment and their workers? Has that changed? What happens years from now when the panels wear out and need replacing? Can you recycle them (apparently yes if the facilities are available) or does this policy generate a huge pile of trash for future people to worry about? It's a problem if they aren't considering the full life cycle of the panels.

I've always believed in centralised large scale power generation so that repair, maintenance and end of life site clean up aren't the direct responsibility of the homeowners. Solar thermal for example. Putting panels on every roof seems like an incredibly inefficient way to do it. Maybe that's part of the plan though, this inefficiency creates more work for more installers and more maintenance jobs for post installation panel cleaners, recycling facilities etc?

I'm interested if there is any evidence that they've thought this through.

If the alternative is burning coal, then rooftop solar isn't a bad alternative. At least the components and by products aren't being directly pumped into the atmosphere. It's not perfect but is something that can be improved on if there was a concerted effort by the government.

You might be surprised to find how much power is being generated by rooftop solar. Most of the growth in renewables is due to it. If we follow the historical growth, we wouldn't be too far off from roofing everything anyway. I don't have the numbers on me and I'm on my phone, but you can find the figures on the Australian energy market regulators site.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Knorth posted:

Next debate is going to be on Facebook apparently, hmm, I'm betting it's going to be tedious

That is an innovative disruption of the traditional debate format. The sort of thinking that will thrive in Turnbull's Australia.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


He's consistent, I'll give him that.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

There is merit in having to disclose whether the foundations of a property is built on stone, clay, a swamp, a drainage basin, sand etc. There is even merit in having to disclose natural regional hazards such a bush fires, flooding, tornadoes, etc. But I thought they already did something like that anyway, given how scummy real estate agents and their penchant to legal the poo poo out of everything. Maybe I'm mistaken though since I have never looked into buying property.

If there is a long dry spell of weather and the clay shrinks and destabilises the foundation. You will end up with an expensive underpinning and repair bill. Many homes are built on clay soil and damage from it a common problem. However, it isn't something that I'd expect the average person to be educated about, or even consider until it happens to them. You can't exactly legislate the problem away, or blame the real estate agent or previous owners. It is simply a consideration that must be made in the process of buying a home.

As long as you are properly informed as to the soil type and geography, then there isn't much more you can do about it. In this case it is humorous because it is fairly obvious the house is on sand and located next to the ocean. And that the owners disregarded the dangers in order to own a piece of expensive waterfront property.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

open24hours posted:

It shouldn't really be legal to buy and sell property, or at least residential property, that can't be insured. Either the government should become an insurer of last resort, or they should be zoned so people can't live there. It's in no one's interest to have people losing their houses.

Isn't this kicking the problem further down the road? You would end up with a lot of people electing not to insure because the premiums are way too high. You'd still end up with the same problem where people put living next to the ocean or surrounded by bush above the safety of the building.

You can mandate that every purchase agreement has an insurance quote on it, but people will ignore it. I suppose that you can make insurance mandatory. but it would be a cluster-gently caress to implement since insurers and leave people largely at the mercy of private insurers. It would also price many people out of where they live and be more of a political quagmire than negative gearing. You could subsidise it, but it just becomes another handout to rich people and idiots and a drain on treasury. I'm not sure this is a fixable problem or can be done in a manner that the public will support.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

open24hours posted:

Sounds like an argument for a public insurer to me.

There's still that matter of premium affordability, and preventing massive overnight readjustments to property values.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

tbf to the coppers, a pair of scissors are like double the knife!

So what's the deal with not randomising the ballot papers? Just to make the job easier for vote counters and scrutineers?

I'd imagine they are printed like newspapers. And that doing multiple runs and coming up with a way to randomise them is too much work/money.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Seagull posted:

is anyone outside of asio and the lib dems still afraid of reds under the beds

You forgot the DLP, the party for blacksmiths.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


The Liberals have the clearest vision of the future. Yet it's policies aren't as 'good', and they don't understand Australia's current problems as well as Labor. Interesting...

Or... The Liberals are perceived as of being for big business, loving the workers, and being out of touch with ordinary people. But drill down to how well they perform as a party and their outcomes, and they are essentially indistinguishable. makes u think.

Tokamak fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jun 15, 2016

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

that meme is not dank, they aren't even trying

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

If you want to put some micro parties in your six above the line, look into the Pirate Party and not the Sex Party.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Vladimir Poutine posted:

loving lol at this guy:


What is it with libertarians and their professed love of suits and bowties?

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


:yikes:

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Is Malcolm Turnbull a secret Muslim??!?
:smugdon:

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

CrazyTolradi posted:

Friend of a friend of mine on FB calls Friendlyjordies a paid Labor shill. Friendlyjordies proceeds to meltdown and show how easy to get a reaction from him is:




So I guess he's just an unpaid Labor shill then? Also if you criticise him, you're clearly a dickless Liberal voter who has to pay for sex.

Is he still 15?

I vote him millennial most likely to become Chris Uhlmann in thirty odd years.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


I want to live in the world where this is true.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Amoeba102 posted:

One Nation has Animal Justice Party as their 3rd preference. Is there something about these animals I don't know about?

This is the final straw with One Nation. Supporting a party that wants to phase out pet ownership is pretty unstralian :australia:
Ms Hanson, you will not be getting a number 1 from me anymore.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

CrazyTolradi posted:

Actually, surprise surprise, Buzzfeed got it wrong as well: https://twitter.com/MedinaVoice/status/744710478362902528

Is this what the media has evolved into? Tracking down the people involved in the latest thing to trend on social media? A decade ago that advert would pass on by as if it never existed. But today, knowing the identity of a no-name actor starring in a dull political advert is apparently a hot topic.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

CrazyTolradi posted:

Yeah, I don't really see the appeal of NXT for anyone who isn't in SA.

He occasionally makes the national news, comes off as sympathetic, and isn't lnp or labor. That's good enough to give it a go during an apathetic election cycle. I'd reckon he has a better shot of getting a seat than most other micro parties.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Anidav posted:

However, a Liberal Party spokesman told ABC News the man was not an actor.

"We are very pleased that people are talking about this ad, which highlights the risks of Bill Shorten's war on business," the spokesman said.

"The tradie is real, unlike Mr Shorten's claims about Medicare."

Pass me my shotgun Billy, I'm not able to adapt to the new realities of this world.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Snod. posted:

Baron Waqa

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

SynthOrange posted:

gently caress YOU SCOTT MORRISON gently caress YOUUUUU

He's from The Shire. He is likely representing the majority view of his constituency.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Solemn Sloth posted:

creative industries providing higher rates of indirect employment than mining

Whoa, that's not a very political correct thing to say. You better apologise to Ian Macdonald and the Minerals Council of Australia for that remark.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

I think I discovered Malcolm Turnbull's plan for social security and workplace relations, it kills two birds with one stone.
This is the kind of disruptive and agile thinking we need for Australia.

quote:

Uber's CEO Calls His Company a Labor 'Safety Net'

Imagine if a factory in a town closes, Kalanick explained. Uber could provide jobs to those laid off workers.

“They can push a button and get to work,” he said of the flexibility that comes with driving for his company. “They can also push a button and stop working.”
http://fortune.com/2016/06/23/uber-safety-net-comments/

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

You may qualify for a Centrelink payment if you open the Centrelink job app every day before 8am, and no job is available over a period of 14 days.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Senor Tron posted:

After the election if the LNP wins is he obligated to try and get the ABCC stuff through? What happens if it fails again?

Refer to every other broken promise a politician makes.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Senor Tron posted:

I just wasn't sure if there was actually some legal obligation to try and force it through as a consequence of a DD having been called.

You can't pass something that doesn't want to be passed. The DD is supposed to assist a popular minority government to clear out the senate and vote in more favourable senators, which is a pipe dream for this election. Even if there were obligated to try and pass it, they will end up where they are today. Blocked in senate with another trigger for a DD. And if they were to try that again, then it will likely not go well for them.

Lid posted:

Im having the strangest case of deja vu

There were around last election.

open24hours posted:

With hovertrains.

They basically want a Silicon Valley libertarian city state. What's more amusing is that we already have a university town, without traffic congestion that is located between Sydney and Melbourne. It's called Canberra.

All of the poo poo with zero/low taxes, relaxed immigration (to exploit), investment schemes, the two underground levels of perpendicular tunnels where people quickly transit across town, etc. is even more fanciful than bullet train for australia and coke in the bubblers combined. At least the bullet train could be our replacement High Speed Rail if the government was wanted to blow a bunch of cash. And I bet Coca-Cola would be willing to cut a very special deal to get kids hooked on Coke.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

open24hours posted:

Yeah it was discussed at length last election, and somehow morphed into a plan to build a city out of rubbish in the Western Australian desert where boat people could be made to work for their citizenship. Or maybe I'm confusing it with another plan that came out of this thread.

That was a poster's final solution to the refugee problem.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

thatfatkid posted:

The chaser van skit was painfully unfunny. They deliberately misinterpreted what Leyjonhelm said and then harassed him with a lovely strawman.

How does one get harassed by written words? Seems like he chose to get offended by it. :smugdog:

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

i'm gay

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Graic Gabtar posted:

Agree that there would be a reduced number of potential vulnerabilities.

Still not perfect though. Through gently caress up or breach imagine the shitstorm of having to re-run the whole polling day if something cropped up at 8:30am AEST. Worse still, if a vulnerability was identified two weeks after the poll?

I'd prefer to see the costs of such a system put into funding for better support services for the AEC.

That being said its not a complete impossibility. Estonia has done this thing for years, but it has not always gone well. I just can't see the need for it.

fyi, the A.C.T. electoral commission has already implemented an open source voting system. It was used primarily for the blind and visually impaired. The problem is if you outsource it to a lovely contractor with no oversight and transparency.

Besides it won't be implemented universally because it costs way too much money. They still use pencils because they are cheaper than pens and have an indefinite shelf life, despite the security risk of erasing and changing someone else's vote.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

:siren:

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Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


I see a few places in WA refer to it as a 'hotdog'
Complete fuckwits

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