UKMT September 2016: Arguing in good faith with sources where necessary

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Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
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LeoMarr posted:

Corbyn is still a communist wanker.

Too bad they're both wrong. Communists and nazis should be treated the same.

I'd kulak you irl

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Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

LeoMarr posted:

Isnt it inherenrly disgusting to advocate a party that wont even acknowledge anti semitism when its right in the open? http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/the_love_affair_between_the_british_labour_party_and_adolf_hitler.html

your life is disgusting, you are a parasite and a wretch

# ¿ Sep 1, 2016 00:50

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Pop punk maybe

my local pop punk pub just had 20 musicians to play for four hours and are now sucking their own dicks about donating �70 raised in a raffle. They donated nothing.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2016 00:51

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

spectralent posted:

EDIT: I mean I know about the terrorist attacks, I'm more wondering why the government's condoning ridiculously blatant religious harassment.

Sarkozy went insane after Bataclan. A lot of french people did. He has not recovered.

I'm not joking I think the man is mentally ill and should be immediately removed from position.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2016 00:55

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

CoolCab posted:

really bad for your cardiovascular system, insanely addictive. not tar though

There's a question. Is vaping less addictive due to the lack of "ignition agents" or whatever they called the pro-nicotine agents in the 80s before the big seven dwarves perjury thing?

# ¿ Sep 1, 2016 17:33

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Jose posted:

i just get the anxiety and nothing else and don't enjoy myself and its a bit poo poo because everyone else seems to enjoy it. i've a few friends who've been heavy smokers who have been sectioned since so i think i made the right decision

weed doesn't make you crazy. Crazy people just take a shitload more drugs than those who aren't ever going to end up in hospital. The pattern is true for tobacco as well, and even some weird little details like a statistically significant difference in whether or not you recycle fagends.

Weed is great and my GP tells me to smoke lots to keep the horrific bowel death at bay. It's the best drug.

Oberleutnant posted:

Oh i can definitely just pass out on weed. I have real problems sleeping, and weed is pretty much the next best thing to zopiclone (which i can hardly ever get from the dr) for helping me sleep well.

my gps also tell me that there are significant efforts to totally phase out Z drugs because they're either indicating or being observed to have worse side effects than valium. Also, they're insanely addictive if you're wired to get enjoyment from them.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2016 22:40

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

MrL_JaKiri posted:

As with all housing questions ever, talk to Shelter. Be prepared for disappointment, mind - we're currently on a "landlords get to be real fuckers" upswing.

I withheld my rent from my landlord and spent maybe a tenth of it paying pikeys to intimidate him

it worked well and I got all my money back, perhaps you should be the violence inherent in the system

# ¿ Sep 1, 2016 22:44

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Tesseraction posted:

He does know Asian-Brits were a major Leave demographic, right?

I know that's rhetorical but a casual reminder that every single leave voter is a loving moron so no, he probably doesn't.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2016 14:23

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Jose posted:

i'm trying to think what group they'd be infiltrating currently but my mind is going blank on what peaceful protesting organisation would be the victim

didn't they get bored and infiltrate the anti-war and occupy movements

and it took them several years to work out that the entire vegan anti-mcdonalds group they'd infiltrated was literally them and 2 people

I mean, they probably should be wiped off the face of the earth as an organisation. You can't fix poo poo like this.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 14:21

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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I mean at this point it's pretty clear that we just need a different political apparatus entirely

lying to people to get them to ask you to rob them isnt democracy

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 14:24

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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forkboy84 posted:

Vaz should stay. We need more people involved in that select committee who realise that drugs & sex are actually good.

I mean I'd quite like it if mental health care involved using things that are clinically outperforming (by a loving large margin) SSRIs

but those things are illegal, and thus bad for you

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 14:29

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Cerv posted:

Bit of a leap from closeted homosexual to paedophile isn't it?

no, not in British government.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 14:43

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Foxtrot_13 posted:

Of course MI5 was investigating the hard left in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's because their job is/was counter espionage and the Warsaw Pact countries were actively trying and succeeding in gaining influence in those movements. A KGB defector, Oleg Gordievsky, has claimed to be one of the handlers of Jack Jones, head of the TUC and one of the architects of the Winter of Discontent. A Czech defector has claimed to have been very close to Jack Jones and other Trade Union leaders while working for the Czech intelligence agencies. The GDR was funneling money to the National Union of Mineworkers during the Miners Strike.

These are not paranoid fantasies in a Jeffery Archer novel, the USSR and it's client states were actively trying to ferment a Communist revolution in this country and had successfully infiltrated the hard left, just like the CIA, MI5 etc were actively trying to ferment the overthrow of the brutal Communist regimes.

funding a miner strike justifying mass espionage

which, I remind you, did not work

Jose posted:

such as?

Ket's the one with the clinical hype (larkin/rasmussen I think are the big ones), MDMA therapy has been used in terminal cases and seems effective at warding PTSD as mentioned, weed is an alright adjunct for several things and incredibly useful in cancer and HIV, there were a few smaller trials on different hallucinogen plant products, and LSD and shrooms might not be clinically usable but they've got ridiculous signals for effectiveness in non-significant trials, certainly enough to justify further research.

does anyone actually know what citalopram is supposed to do? I know how SSRIs are (in laymen) thought to work but if you compare the efficiency to what you'd expect in physical medicine, it's not a heavy hitter. Why do we use drugs less effective than lithium?. It's inhumane.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 16:16

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Gonzo McFee posted:

Remember when Angela Eagle was going to be the force to stomp out Corbyn and then she fizzled out and was replaced by a straight man? Were any articles written about how sexist Owen Smith was then?

I mean he hadn't been quite so high profile with violent rhetoric against women

I mean smash back on the heels I felt at the time had an entirely appropriate level of violent response to actively sabotaging a nation

but he just won't stop doing it

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 16:41

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

I wonder what'd happen if Corbyn totally lost it and attempted Zizek's reconcilement of nationalist imagery with socialism but actually socialism and not hitler

we're pretty nationalist, I can't see how it'd hurt. Get our Jez on stage with rammstein next festival season.

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Sep 4, 2016

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 16:43

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
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Namtab posted:

Well that and the fact that paracetamol can cause hepatic impairment in high doses over time, ibuprofen has a host of potential dose effects and the opiates are addictive

para and ibru are shite but opiates being addictive isn't a huge problem if you have proper rehab clinics ala switzerland or 1980s Liverpool

I know you'll want a lot better than an article to back that, but I don't have the Newcombe report available, so hopefully this works as an introduction for laypersons like myself

Heroin is magic

a loving spectator article pointing out that it can be made a workable system

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 17:52

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

NSAIDS are good for injuries and I'm helping my mother with a thrown support muscle in her hip and the ibru is actually working, keeping her away from opiates :unsmith:

it's just if your problem isn't inflammatory it will, as you say, not be the most relevant.

also she's an elderly woman with asthma so :smith:

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 18:03

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

namesake posted:

post, post, pass to the left

Controlling immigration is an essential right wing point to deliver, none of them are going to go forward without it, for all that entails in EU exit negotiations.

France probably won't let us have that floated emergency brake now that they're a dysfunctional state and we royally pissed them off

I mean I'm in England so I shouldn't throw stones but at some point they're going to elect the attractive fascist

e; Poland's probably going to throw it's weight behind a veto of literally everything because why the gently caress not

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 19:04

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

The facebook highlights of Corbyn in Ramsgate are good and I honestly can't understand how people think this man is dangerous

He's doing the hope thing without saying it or being barack obama but he's not a total poo poo so

highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm4mb8zKkv0

gig's alright too

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 19:12

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Although I don't think Jeremy Corbyn gets how the rule of three works

you're not supposed to make three related and in depth statements

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 19:16

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Seaside Loafer posted:

.

She was of the opinion that its just being done to make people feel like they are actually helping out and create some work.

Recycling is last of the three Rs for a reason

Reduce, Reuse,. make planes out of sex toys

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 20:18

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Friendly remember that at minimum double digit numbers of tories are child molesters and will never face repurcussions

Jose posted:

donald trump is good friends iwth jeffrey epstein as are the clintons

he also lusts for his daughter, checks out

e; I should know better than to be so explicit on this throwaway remark

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Sep 4, 2016

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 21:13

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

I can't believe that I'm able to write that a presidential candidate openly sexualises his daughter

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 21:15

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Pablo Bluth posted:

"We'll sign up to TTIP" will probably the Tories first act of freedom post EU.....

Obama made it clear that TTIP with europe first then trade deal

we're looking at a very long time and I'm not sure Hillary Clinton of "Cameron is untrustworthy and not in any way an ally to our interests" email fame will be a fan

some of her closest kettles are black

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 21:21

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
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isn't it great that the police are funding themselves harassing the minority contingent of the four million one hundred and seventy thousand cannabis smokers in the UK

except durham where you can grow your own weed because I don't know how the hell they swing that

and manchester a bit

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 21:54

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

OwlFancier posted:

I guess the easiest way to check would be to see how much it makes in US states which legalize it, or how much Holland makes off their sex/drugs industry.

Holland is hardly the example of good sex trafficking what with the hundreds of paedophiles and child sex rings that we couldn't be arsed to chase after

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 23:10

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

If keith vaz comes out and states prohibition is worthless then Cerv does have a very good point but a) he's not a conservative member and b) the conservatives.

People are in prison for less than �500 worth of coke. They shouldn't be. Nor should keith vaz. But they're still going to be in prison when this is over, and he won't. It is, to use the terminology of yes minister, a brave decision.

(doing the drugs, not not-ruining someones life over trivial poo poo)

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 23:28

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

TinTower posted:

For all the talk of "Project Fear", nearly all of the Leave campaigns were more negative and less positive than Stronger In or any of the Remain campaigns.

Project fear was the political equivalent of saying "nonsense, bullets to the head don't hurt, watch"

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 11:27

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

HJB posted:

https://twitter.com/andrewspoooner/status/772667077626855424

this is genuinely pathetic

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 11:32

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
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Pissflaps posted:

Yep. Just a re-run of the Scottish independence referendum - albeit with a worse result.

The fact is, any positive argument can be framed as a negative, and vice versa. Claiming to be the 'positive case' is nothing more than political posturing and PR.

You're talking absolute poo poo and the basis of advertising and message discipline rests upon you being wrong

Pablo Larrain's No is a wonderful introduction to how this works

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 11:37

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Pissflaps posted:

I don't think the basis of advertising or message discipline is that you have to be honest, is it?

Positive and Negative campaigning, both the actual campaigning and the general perception, produce different effects.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 11:50

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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namesake posted:

I'm guessing this is the end of Mays honeymoon period, everyone's demanding answers and the ones she's giving aren't making them happy.

Obama telling her politely to gently caress off probably didn't help

e; what's Obama's public image in the UK? I'm not a bigot so I'm sometimes out of the loop

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 12:03

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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nopantsjack posted:

I expect we can look forward to another coup next year too when a junior minister in the pocket of the arms industry becomes the papers' great hope.

Hillary Benn.

Pissflaps posted:

That UKIP/immigration one is depressing.

democracy bad

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 14:11

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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ronya posted:

A blogpost. Another one.

my own meta-takeaway is that I've already started to notice rhetoric from lobby groups shifting from the all-Blair-betrayal, all-day channel to TORAIES TORAIES TORAIES AAAAAAAAHH

my guess is that in a decade, Blair on Iraq amongst the Labour left will be in the same category as Callaghan on the IMF - a deeply emotive issue as a symbol of Labour's total moral collapse for strands of the left (particularly those for whom capitalism is always in crisis, reformism is always failing, and revolution is both on the precipice of defeat and a last gasp from victory), but a sideline to the major battles du jour

I really hope you're wrong that at any point in history Tony Blair is considered a sideline and not a war criminal

eg; Slobodan Milo�ević was a misunderstood necessary outcome of the moral failings of Serbska Stronk

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Sep 5, 2016

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 14:48

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

nopantsjack posted:

remember when radical revolutionary Are Russel totally changed his stance on politicians after Ed Miliband had a 10 minute chat with him where he didn't say anything of substance but broadly agreed with him

then after they lost he gave up politics 4eva again lol

I had an actual student attempt to tell me he was a legitimate philosopher or at least wordsmith and just

drat

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 19:05

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Jose posted:

they could have at least made me renew it on the anniversary of passing my test instead of a month early

Did you repeatedly change address in a short period of time?

Tell friend computer your troubles

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 21:00

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Don't worry about it, you could have literally stepped out of a Gok Wan makeover and you'd still look like a disgraced minicab driver in your photos. If you do actually look good and natural in a passport photo I think they add you to the do-not-fly list automatically.

Alternatively do it stoned, hungover, unshaven, and in a poncho

probably same result as the good and natural

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 21:52

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

HJB posted:

I like it when stupid people say intelligent things without realising

# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 23:02

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
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tooterfish posted:

I put it to you UKMT, that if you advocate culling people on the grounds that they're no longer economically useful, you're probably not a socialist.

I put it to you that I and every other lifelong medically dependant person in the UK will not match their age

I am not a democrat.

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Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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V. Illych L. posted:

honestly surprised she hasn't taken advantage of her honeymoon+the complete lack of a functioning opposition to push through some controversial bits of policy

The tories are completely crippled by the failing nature of the UK and as soon as she touches anything Gideon is washed away from the public consciousness

instead of using this, owen smith is getting some bants about smacking some women

# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 15:11

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