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Arglebargle III posted:I think the alt-right is an empty shell with no ideas that can accomplish anything in government. I worry that their candidates including Trump are puppets for anyone with some sort of workable policy idea that might come along. I think this is the end game of the hollowing out of the GOP. It's hard to imagine any conservative government in the US that doesn't exist to serve big business, at least in the domistic pshere. Alt-right is a prop in political marketing that got thrown out there in desperate hope that somebody would take the bait and flock towards it. Alternatively, it's a proof that people who communicate primarily through Twitter are isolated from the real world and have no loving clue.
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McDowell posted:Whatever happened to the Dark Enlightenment? I guess being philosophically spooky got eclipsed by Milo's antics. People forgot about it.
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Sep 27, 2016 14:18
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The alt right are the usual social rejects who would be in a different time and place wife-beating machos, or recruits of some pillaging warlord. They have no political ideas, they are just instinctively lashing out against things they see around them because they are frustrated, feel like there is nothing they can do with their lives, and as a consequence feel insecure and emaciated.
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Sep 27, 2016 17:02
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readingatwork posted:This is actually a tough question for me. On the one hand the "establishment right" is largely a pack of sociopaths and con men who's only real goal is to use fear and bigotry to rip off the American people in order to make the obscenely wealthy and powerful even richer. On the other hand the "alt-right" are the people who've bought into the establishment's propaganda to the point where they're certifiably insane. As a result whenever they get any real power the effects are catastrophic. They haven't bought into the establishment propaganda. They believe the establishment has robbed them of their future, and have decided to blame the Jews and "cultural Marxism" for conspiring against them. Though I still believe most of their xenophobic posturing is just trying to use edgy humor to hide their insecurities. They certainly like the broad sentiment behind their holocaust memes or whatever, but it would be absurd to assume they actually wish to purge all the undesirables. Compare that to the establishment politicians, who have shown not only will, but also a desire to use lethal force against dissent again and again. In the end, the alt-right is nothing more than another distraction to shift attention away from the failing system. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 07:57
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WampaLord posted:The alt-right is worse because they're younger and will be with us longer. The establishment right is mostly old fuckers who will die out in the near future. Said every young person in the past thousand years.
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Sep 28, 2016 15:03
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"Social structures have no value and it wouldn't matter if they were destroyed." - somebody who is wondering why reactionary politics have not been eradicated yet
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Sep 28, 2016 18:00
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Noam Chomsky posted:alt-right === "People won't have sex with me. Waaaah! It's because of feminism and minorities! Waaaah!" Poor people are just losers who can't get laid - A progressive Lol, people are seriously buying into the "argument" that violence among the non-ruling classes originates in human flaws and non-enlightenment of their members, not in the injustices and alienation inflicted on them by the elites.
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Sep 29, 2016 07:08
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The "problem of high school sex" is in fact a problem of being unable to socialize, due to any number of personal or family pathologies that could probably have been be easily addressed if more resources were put to it, or if they came from less dysfunctional backgrounds. Reducing the issue to not getting laid is just further shaming them for their lack of masculine achievements, and drives them deeper into self loathing and frustration, and therefore towards hating people around them.
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Sep 29, 2016 07:15
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WampaLord posted:I'm well aware, which is why I chose the term. They tend to be extremely fragile when challenged and retreat back to their insular communities where they have banned anyone who dares to offer a different opinion. The very definition of a "safe space." lol equating "internet safe spaces" (aka internet forums where everybody can post anonymously and safely) with literal doom fortresses of the wealthy and powerful
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Sep 29, 2016 15:43
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Freakazoid_ posted:I'm starting to doubt this now. I just looked up the definition of alt-right on wikipedia and for some reason, misogyny isn't listed. Misogyny is something that gets lobbed as some sort of logical afterthought. Like, you are racist, so you must also hate women! It's natural! In reality plenty of alt-right people are the same sort of people who would be labeled SJWs (gener queer, trans internet activists, etc.), if they hadn't thrown in their lot with the alt-right instead. There should be some sort of internet game like "Tumblr, or alt-right?" steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 12:58
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Sethex posted:To me I think the accusations of racism albeit present within the alt right, really aren't central to the movement, I've read through r/The_Donald for awhile now (curiosity sake) an the racism present is mostly there for shock or insincere, or if it is sincere it is rejected by the community. They also love to up vote the token black trump supporter. They invariably love that racism makes people upset. How many of them buy into racism unironically, is questionable. The most famous "racist" trope of the alt-right is the Iron Pill, which is mocking white nationalists just as much, if not more than minorities. Then there's Zyklon Ben, 4chan's movement to destroy the supposedly alt-right cartoonist B. Garrison by combining his pictures with A Wyatt Man cut outs. Actually, I guess A Wyatt Man would be a good comparison for alt-right. Guy was a milquetoast liberal who drew racist caricatures on the side to build up his cred among edgy art movements that were in vogue at the time.
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Sep 30, 2016 13:07
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Ocrassus posted:I read 8chan regularly, and no, misogyny is definitely part of their general ideology. Wasn't 8chan established because people were banned from 4chan for posting CP. Why would you read that.
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Sep 30, 2016 13:21
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Who What Now posted:Well I don't know about you guys but I'm now convinced that there's literally no differences between us and the people who Just keep wasting your time on dumb young idiots instead of the people who are actively working to run the world into the ground because of a need for some sort of equivalence between them. We should divide our attention between raking the leaves off the front lawn, and putting out the fire that has spread from the kitchen to the living room.
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Sep 30, 2016 13:49
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Who What Now posted:Aw dang, I forgot that I was physically incapable of caring about two things and that I could only ever concern myself with one group for the fullness of time. You're really a big help today, thank you! Well, yeah, it's impossible to infinitely multiply your energy between a growing number of concerns.
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Sep 30, 2016 13:54
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Is Stormfront the alt right now Is literally everything the alt-right And if so, is it the product of some sort of collective aneurysm
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Sep 30, 2016 17:08
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Noam Chomsky posted:I don't believe there is an alt-right; there's is only the right. It's an astroturfed term to describe millennial right wingers who enjoy anime porn and do NOT enjoy women talking about video games. Noam Chomsky posted:Explain how the "alt-right" is not racist or misogynist. For bonus points, explain what policies they support and how they'd make the world a better place. IDGI E: Nvm, I agree.
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Sep 30, 2016 17:14
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Vindicator posted:People who throw racially charged jokes at each other are perpetuating racism. It doesn't matter that they're friends or that they like each other. You can think highly of someone and still judge them according to racist preconceptions. That's why "you're really hot for a black girl" is a statement that demonstrates both attraction and prejudice. I agree, the alt right haven FYAD should be closed, but mods seem to think that posters making threads with nothing but the word "friend of the family" repeated again and again is subversive and progressive.
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Sep 30, 2016 21:05
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Sethex posted:Jokes about the Holocaust lead to holocaust, got it. Saying "Just glass the Middle East" has become such a common thing, there are people who actually don't even bother to pretend they don't mean it seriously. Probably due to some anti-intellectual impulse that is own to all humans, the appeal of a joke is that it often presents a vision of a solution to a problem that is compellingly easy, from the joker's point of view, with none of the nuance that it is usually beset with.
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Sep 30, 2016 21:22
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Sethex posted:Hah You must be super fun irl. I mean, while I enjoy the occasional improper joke, I don't see the humour in "just kill all the aye-rabs"
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Sep 30, 2016 21:40
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Some Guy TT posted:Reading this thread you'd think literally the only thing alt-right people do all day is jack off to Holocaust jokes. Maybe I'm just a crypto-fascist but that strikes me as kind of unlikely. But even if it is true, I still consider that preferable to the establishment right, who spend their time doing constructively terrible things. Precisely. In addition the establishment right is the reason why the former group ended up sulking in hate.
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Oct 1, 2016 07:27
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Panzeh posted:The notion that the internet has places with undecided spectators is kinda silly because people go on the internet either to fight their ideological enemies or chill with their ideological allies. I guess this is the explanation for the alt-right hysteria. Some people have just completely lost a sense of reality by immersing themselves in obscure internet communities too much. 99.99% people go on the Internet to just do some chores, and the way they discover new information is if somebody they know from real life links them to an article, or if its printed on a major news site.
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Oct 1, 2016 07:30
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dont even fink about it posted:The question, cynical as it is, would be: The difference is: One makes policy, the other doesn't, and there's no reason to believe they ever will, unless you think Donald Trump will become interested in practical politics all of a sudden. And even then, Trump's wall platform has been carried by traditional conservative voting people, not by some new whippersnappers. Nothing else matters.
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Oct 1, 2016 07:54
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dont even fink about it posted:Well, as an example, the GOP collectively refused to have an actual immigration policy well before Trump ran for president (even Romney ran on the idea of mass deportations), and trying to make such a policy nearly torpedoed Lil Rubio's career. Jeb being anywhere to the left of Nativism on immigration was one of the many things that GOP primary voters could not get enthused about. Yeah, he's just the old conservative movement stripped of intellectual facade, not the face of some new internet movement. The meme making internet denizens make up a slight margin of his electorate, and they are just coasting on drama stemming from GOP's past actions.
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Oct 1, 2016 08:14
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on the left posted:If fascists build their base from losers, how come a bunch of losers who can't get a job despite every privilege in the world came out to support Bernie Sanders? I remember how in the Communist Manifesto Marx praised German aristocracy for building socialism despite the unwashed masses of losers.
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Oct 1, 2016 16:43
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God is an delusion and ethnic cleansing is good. Happy?
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Oct 3, 2016 14:17
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Wasn't McDowell basically cogent at some point in time, or am I misremembering things?
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Oct 3, 2016 17:04
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MizPiz posted:The simple fact the established right has an actual ideology and set of beliefs determining their politics makes them immeasurably better than the alt-right. At it's very best, the alt-right is the political equivalent of an adult flailing around on the ground whining about a nonissue. So better for the right's interests, worse for everybody else?
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Oct 4, 2016 07:27
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MizPiz posted:Hey, that's a part of their culture; it's a symbol of their heritage, not hatred. Well yes since it's a reflection of the Middle Eastern / Roman origin of Christianity, where the often black / dark skinned Christian figures survived in folk lore as characters in passion plays etc. all over Europe, by no means only in the Netherlands. Except it's become very unfortunate in an age where people have broader horizons than their village, and can be expected to live among different people.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:13
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computer parts posted:I think that was a reference to I know, and it's presenting an equivalence between a political movement to subjugate a race of people, and a cultural tradition that dates to back when for the participants Africa was a mythical land from fairy tales and Bible stories.
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mojo1701a posted:My bad, I should amend it to remove the "only" part. I remember a number of years ago when a far-right party wanted to amend the Polish constitution to mention Jesus Christ as the eternal king of Poland. The current Polish government is attempting to turn the country into a literal theocracy. To such an extent that Polish clerics associated with the government are openly calling the Pope a limp wristed liberal, who must be defied so Poland can institute its own truly Catholic regime.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:21
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Spacedad posted:If you're 'lucky' you can even get alt righties using your trollposts as 'evidence' of white genocide being real and citing you in their racist thinkpieces. Which keeps happening to pals of mine. And then you use generic alt-right troll posts as evidence of a vast new conspiracy seizing the nation by a storm and call a cartoon frog the greatest threat to democracy since Brezhnev.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:25
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Crowsbeak posted:Frankly the rise of neonazis across the west is a threat to democracy. People like Orban, Le Pen, Farage, Kaczynski, Erdogan do not proselytize with dank memes on the internet.
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Oct 6, 2016 17:02
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Who What Now posted:Anyone who thinks that white fragility isn't a thing need only read this post. Shocker, white people are people, and they have their psychological hangups and insecurities. Who would have thunk.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:05
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Seeing how another unfairly targeted victims of police brutality seem to be homeless guys... ... maybe a key component limiting police violence is fear of litigation, compounded by racist motives, so you get a sliding scale of brutality instead of just a binary.
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Oct 7, 2016 06:39
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Viniculture.
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Oct 7, 2016 07:40
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KiteAuraan posted:You just made Iran, Turkey, the Ancient Egyptians and the Phoenicians white and threw out the Scandinavian region for most of their history. Meh, they can be white as far as im concerned. Also gently caress Scandinavia.
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Oct 7, 2016 07:54
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White culture is talking about food a lot, using food as a signifier of sophistication and class status, and a shallow bourgie tendency to reduce cultural questions to "how will it affect my food".
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woke wedding drone posted:I don't know, if the cardinal was in red sweats instead of a robe this looks like a lot of black kitchens to me: Would they also be telling each other how they are totally above what the revolting Midwestern peasants eat in Snagglepuss voices?
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Spacedad posted:You pretty much nailed it, yeah. They had political power so they got to have the carrot-on-a-string of whiteness. Political power where? In Europe, or in America?
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on the left posted:Race isn't linked with intelligence, which is why we should use raceblind IQ test scores for admissions into schools and gifted programs. It would end unequal access to educational resources forever! Sure, once somebody actually comes up with a test that measures somebody's useful intellect combined with motivation to learn.
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