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The alt right largely consists, as far as I can tell, of shut ins, socially isolated people and other assorted foreveralones. I would say that the establishment right is definitely worse as they are an actual political force that has affected change. Maybe one day the alt right will actually dictate policy but until then they're largely just sound and fury.
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The alt right is basically focused on youth with traditional right wing ideologies (white supremacy, anti-women, etc) that the establishment right have largely managed to obfuscate with dogwhistle language. While there are definite attempts by establishment leeches on the movement (think Breitbart and other right wing media) to introduce some measure of obfuscation as seen by Milo's various attempts at being Reasonable, the movement itself is largely composed of people who either haven't learned to dogwhistle or don't feel the need to. I'm not sure if Trump himself is an actual return to form of the right not concealing their actual beliefs because I'm not entirely convinced that they're beliefs he actually has and isn't just saying what people want to hear. Ultimately though you are who you pretend to be, so you must be careful who you pretend to be.
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Sep 25, 2016 09:21
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The nuclear family is a rather recent invention and not really been the norm for thousands of years, and isn't really the norm in many, many countries even now. In Africa, Latin America, the Middle East and huge parts of Asia the extended family is much more prevalent and even in America/Europe the concept of the nuclear family is dying.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:09
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I grew up in both an extended family and the more 'standard' nuclear family and ironically it was only in the latter where we ever really wanted for anything. I grew up on a Traveller's site and it was literally thanks to that, that despite having both parents, we weren't basically up poo poo creek without a paddle. My mother and father married young and if it wasn't for the extended family we had, they probably would have ended up homeless. Nobody would employ my father for the longest time because of his Indian heritage and where his fixed address was (in the UK travellers/Romani are hugely discriminated against) Despite him having to travel it could be for months at a time to find steady work we never wanted for anything and no other kids did either. It was only when we moved into our own place we ever had any money trouble or ever experienced any real hardship when it came to food or other essentials.
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Sep 25, 2016 20:29
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Furthermore it also goes to show that families where one parent dies are better off than if they go through a divorce. It's almost as if animosity between parents is a huge contributing factor to worse outcomes for kids. Like, maybe a loveless marriage.
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Sep 26, 2016 11:49
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A Buttery Pastry posted:So what you're saying is; if you truly love your children, you should kill your spouse instead of file for divorce? If they never find out it would probably be a net improvement, I guess. Ideally you wouldn't need to kill anyone, though.
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Sep 26, 2016 15:57
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They could probably easily understand the concept of a power top. I imagine most imagine themselves to be a peak example. You really want to blow their minds try and get them to understand the concept of a power bottom.
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Sep 27, 2016 20:18
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Even the concept of marriage being a good thing for children is fairly recent as it was typically only the scenario where poorer people had that arrangement, with the mother typically being the only one the child would ever meaningfully interact with, and in more well off families not even that was the case as a Nanny would typically do the actual arduous job of raising the kids. The idealised marriage has never existed. We've managed to get by so far.
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Sep 28, 2016 17:23
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Hitler was raised in a two parent household. Churchill was raised by his Nanny. Both went on to do extraordinary things and both are figures the alt right would admire in their own special way. One kicked the poo poo out of the other, though. The one with the nanny. Clearly Nannies are the best option since while you may still end up a genocidal lunatic, you at least have the admiration of your nation for beating up a worse one.
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Sep 28, 2016 17:44
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Crowsbeak posted:Let's be honest. Churchill was also a bit of a monster what with starving the Bengals and using gas on revolting natives in Iraq. I fully acknowledge that Churchill was a bastard of the highest degree. He's also a bastard who happened to win, which counts for a lot in Britain.
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Sep 28, 2016 18:05
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Sethex posted:I wonder if the whole thing also expands beyond the college campus. Possibly. Being a decent human being doesn't stop once you leave college. Possibly for some it doesn't even start there. I mean, colleges are not enclaves completely separated from the rest of the world. That's sort of the point of any education system, particularly higher education, in that they're the real world with training wheels still on.
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Sep 30, 2016 18:16
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BarbarianElephant posted:The funny thing about the "PC students" kerfuffle is that it is largely older people criticizing young people for being overly polite, respectful and careful of their words. What happened to "young people have no respect these days!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwrGCw1uY8 "Back in my day we used to kick the poo poo out of the likes of me"
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Sep 30, 2016 18:37
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The concept of belief shaping someone's behaviour is a very, very old one. Like, even very primitive cultures have this idea. The concept of 'fake it until you make it' or even just 'believe in yourself' are powerful ones that do actually work because of how our brains work. I guess I don't find it hard to imagine that some people initially only use racist or misogynist behaviour 'ironically' to begin with, the problem is that it very soon stops being ironic and invariably ends up as actual belief because you can't wallow in poo poo and not expect to end up stinking of it.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:35
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It's entirely possible to joke about race, sexuality and some of the more vile aspects of human existence provided what you do is actually a joke and funny. 'The Holocaust happened, lol' sort of lacks both qualities. As it happens pointing out the existence of something isn't inherently funny unless you're a Peter Kay fan.
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Sep 30, 2016 23:07
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OwlFancier posted:Let's get Roy Chubby Brown to do a tour of universities. Eh, Chubby for all his faults is actually pretty timeless in that his subject matter of bodily functions, casual racism and other assorted blue material is the kind of stuff that literally everyone knows exists. A better example might be Ben Elton who managed to completely alienate his own demographic in addition to being an old gently caress that's way out of date.
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Oct 1, 2016 00:35
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If there was a vast, secretive illuminati style conspiracy to install the Wu-Tang Clan as the Holy See I would be totally down with that.
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Oct 4, 2016 00:44
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah good job at getting rid of prejudice you guys. Why not gently caress the concept of identity based on skin color. The thing is, in the context people say 'gently caress Whitey', what they actually mean is 'gently caress this social construct with vaguely defined definitions that exists at the top of the power structure' 'gently caress Whitey' is a much better sentiment to use, as it rolls off the tongue easier. Whitey, as a group, is a rather broad house covering virtually everyone that has privilege based on the colour of their skin being able to pass the paper bag test. This is completely independent of actual 'race'. I'm a complete mongrel with a bit of everything, but I am still in the group of 'Whitey' because I can enjoy a range of advantages that I don't necessarily deserve thanks to a fairly accidental circumstance of birth.
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Oct 5, 2016 20:20
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Crowsbeak posted:Well the thing is if you want to get rid of that group that enjoys the privilege you have to get rid of the concept that causes such a group to exist. The very concept of race would have to be suppressed actively from society. So yes the concept of Black, of East Asian, and of Middle Eastern Identity would need to be gone as well. As with many attempts to use colour blindness as a defense, this falls short because you believe the reason these power dynamics exist is because they've been willed in by name, much like some sort of demonic summoning ritual. Say we were entirely to eliminate these distinctions, this is no guarantee that the inherent power structures that these distinctions broadly define would cease to exist. All your doing is engaging in a form of Orwellian style belief of Newspeak where if you eliminate the word you eliminate the concept. This is bullshit. If you were to eliminate the concept of black and white in terms of racial identity all you've done is eliminated the concept of those identities, you're not going to eliminate the inherent issue where if a cop sees a suspect of a particular skin colour he's going to be more trigger happy than if the suspect wasn't that particular colour.
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Oct 5, 2016 21:29
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It's likely from keeping neanderthals as sex slaves or vice versa. Like, even in prehistoric times white people were the worst.
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Oct 11, 2016 23:03
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OwlFancier posted:Absenting sickle cell anaemia are there even any significant gentic differences between people of different skin colours? No. An incredibly low amount of genetic diversity can be attributed to environmental factors, which is one of the first causes of racist ideology (those people come from that area, so they are different) Even cold hard science doesn't back up a racists claims. They are completely unsubstantiated, with no basis in observable reality. This stuff is completely taken as a given by anyone who happens to know more about evolution and genetics than 'Darwin wrote a book about it' Here's a source anyway https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/10/981008051724.htm Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Baronjutter posted:So what does this discussion on racial genetics lead back to anyways? It's certainly brought some weird scientific racism* out of the woodwork. A bona fide eugenicist claiming that the designation of 'white' is solely down to genetics and all white people being more genetically similar than they are to other groups. Which is completely false and ignores the underlying issue of social power that has been culturally associated with the designation throughout history.
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Oct 13, 2016 07:46
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Oct 23, 2016 15:23
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As an avid socialist, I'm interested in how 'No war but the class war' includes the hidden codicil of 'differentiated by Race' It's almost as if looking at things entirely from a class perspective doesn't really need the added proviso of what race the people being hosed are. Historically the divide and conquer tactics of differentiating people in an identical class situation by arbitrary delineations based on race has been used to pit the black coal worker against the white assembly line operator, when the real target is the person loving them both. You don't entirely convince me that your sentiments of class being the only issue is actually one you have considered with some thought or even actually care about given that you're using the tactics historically used to suppress such sentiment.
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Oct 23, 2016 22:21
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My suggestion to those lonely alt righters who want to be loved is to take the Wiccan rule of three into account. Whatever energy you project into the world will return to you threefold. Wicca, while an entirely modern movement, is one purportedly based on pre-Enlightenment Pagan thought so it also appeals to your fetishism of such things. Also they're really nice people in general so if you hang with them you might be accepted, maybe. I'm sure even they have a limit of bullshit they're willing to tolerate, though.
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Oct 23, 2016 22:39
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Seriously though Wiccans and Druids are a bunch of cool dudes to hang with and when I provided entertainment to one of their gatherings I was paid in food, beer and weed. If you're a lonely alt righter you can probably show up to one of their meetings and pretend its something from Lord of the Rings and provided you keep the race realism stuff to yourself you might even make some friends.
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Oct 23, 2016 22:51
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OwlFancier posted:Calling racist people racist = death threats? Like Djinns, once you figure out their true name you have complete power over them.
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Oct 23, 2016 23:14
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It's kind of hard to make the case that white men are not garbage human beings when that composes near 100% of the alt right, even if you were to take that rhetoric at face value. If the worst thing that happens to you is that your day is slightly inconvenienced by people saying mean things count yourself lucky. Other people wish they could have things that easy.
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Oct 25, 2016 08:14
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steinrokkan posted:Do you really think everybody in the alt right is a wealthy capitalist whose only gripe is that somebody said something mean to him, and maybe that their Martini was stirred rather then shaken? After decades, if not centuries of talking about white trash and working poor this seems quite interesting. See the thing is that the alt right are a special kind of failure since they had literally everything handed on a plate to them yet they still managed to gently caress it up. I'm not sure how you take 'alt right are all wealthy capitalists' from my statement, and even though this isn't the case it still doesn't exonerate them because being in a lovely economic situation does not have any bearing on your character or your societal responsibility to not be a lovely person.
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Oct 25, 2016 08:32
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I have zero sympathy for white right wingers, who have systemically supported and continue to support a bloc that has hosed over their rights because they want to gently caress over minorities harder. Even as bad as things are, literally none of them would trade places with a black guy in the same situation, because they would be so much worse. My only hope is that these people gain the wherewithal to realise that their policy of spite is doing terrible harm to themselves and that this revelation occurs before people start getting openly lynched once more.
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Oct 25, 2016 08:46
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If I was in that position I'd take the worst Democratic candidate over the cream of the Republican crop any day of the week. I mean, in preference I'd rather not be hosed up the rear end with a baton either way but if it's going to happen I'd rather they lube it up first.
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Oct 25, 2016 09:11
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I like Bernie and I agree with a lot of his positions, but he definitely has a weird blind spot when it comes to minorities and if he was the Democratic candidate we probably would have a Fascist America because those minorities have considerable voting power and not being able to secure their vote would be the death knell for the Democrat's chances. Maybe in the future a Democrat candidate would stand who would be Bernie but better and a compromise wouldn't be necessary.
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steinrokkan posted:Are you saying black people would rather vote for Trump than the guy who is addressing their issues? Strangely Sanders had consistently better head to head polls against Republican nominees than Clinton. People are saying Sanders had a blind spot for minorities, but it was Hillary who had a black girl dragged out of her event while her white donors were literally hissing at her for bringing up BLM. Overall Sanders's point was that the best plan for minorities was a solid economic platform with targeted aid to most disadvantaged areas. Last I heard voting wasn't actually mandatory. They may have voted for Bernie, they might have abstained. Who knows? Bernie lost, though, mainly because of his inability to court black and hispanic voters. Bernie may have marched for civil rights, but as Janet famously said: "What have you done for me lately?" Like I said, I like Bernie but he didn't actually engage meaningfully with the issues that people cared about.
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