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Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
From NYTimes, A Bride in Florida: 11, Pregnant and Pushed to Marry Her Rapist

quote:

When she was a scrawny 11-year-old, Sherry Johnson found out one day that she was about to be married to a 20-year-old member of her church who had raped her.

“It was forced on me,” she recalls. She had become pregnant, she says, and child welfare authorities were investigating — so her family and church officials decided the simplest way to avoid a messy criminal case was to organize a wedding.

“My mom asked me if I wanted to get married, and I said, ‘I don’t know, what is marriage, how do I act like a wife?’” Johnson remembers today, many years later. “She said, ‘Well, I guess you’re just going to get married.’”

So she was. A government clerk in Tampa, Fla., refused to marry an 11-year-old, even though this was legal in the state, so the wedding party went to nearby Pinellas County, where the clerk issued a marriage license. The license (which I’ve examined) lists her birth date, so officials were aware of her age.

Not surprisingly, the marriage didn’t work out — two-thirds of marriages of underage girls don’t last, one study found — but it did interrupt Johnson’s attendance at elementary school. Today she is campaigning for a state law to curb underage marriages, part of a nationwide movement to end child marriage in America. Meanwhile, children 16 and under are still being married in Florida at a rate of one every few days.

You’re thinking: “Child marriage? That’s what happens in Bangladesh or Tanzania, not America!”



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Unchained at Last was not able to get data for the other states. But it extrapolated that in the entire country, :siren:there were almost 250,000 child marriages between 2000 and 2010.:siren: Some backing for that estimate comes from the U.S. Census Bureau, which says that at least 57,800 Americans age 15 to 17 reported being in marriages in 2014.

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:siren:A great majority of the child marriages involve girls and adult men.:siren: Such a sexual relationship would often violate statutory rape laws, but marriage sometimes makes it legal.

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New Jersey lawmakers passed a bill that would make their state the first in the country to ban marriages of people under 18, but Gov. Chris Christie this month blocked the legislation. New York legislators are considering a bill backed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo to raise the age to 17, from the current minimum, 14.

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Globally, a girl marries before the age of 15 every seven seconds, according to estimates by Save the Children. As in Africa and Asia, the reasons for such marriages in the U.S. are often cultural or religious; the American families follow conservative Christian, Muslim or Jewish traditions, and judges sometimes feel that they shouldn’t intrude on other cultures.

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Johnson, the former 11-year-old unwitting bride who is now fighting for Florida to set a minimum marriage age (there is none now), says that her family attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. Often, she says, this was to hide rapes by church elders.

She says she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and gave birth to a daughter when she was just 10 (the birth certificate confirms that). A judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, she says, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.”

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America, what the gently caress?

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PromethiumX
Mar 5, 2003
religion. its always religion

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Lol Texas. All the obnoxious Texas GBS posters come out and represent, you look like a bunch of childfuckers now (which you probably are).

Also the Cowboys loving suck, eat poo poo Texas.

Manchild King
Oct 22, 2010
Misogynistic, self-absorbed, incredibly unfunny asshole. BLOCK ME or I will steal your face for creepy fetish porn!
I don't think ministers should be able to rape you. It's wrong.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

not surprised. its lovely awful evengaleical type churchs who want to cover for their rich dickhead parishioners and elders mistakes. right wing american Christianity is loving cancer, just like wahabism.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
i wouldn't say a maximum of 20 ‱ is very common at all OP

for comparison, duchenne muscular dystrophy, a rare muscle wasting disease, affects about 1 in 5000 males

naem
May 29, 2011

Just trying to keep up with the Catholics

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Dapper_Swindler posted:

right wing american Christianity is loving cancer

You reminded me of this article:

How Christian Purity Culture Enabled My Stepfather to Sexually Abuse Me

quote:

My stepfather began having problems getting erections when I was a senior in high school. How did I find out about this? He told me that he was using me to get an erection so that he could have sex with my mother.

We were very religious people. We attended a Fundamentalist Baptist Church so sexually conservative I was not even allowed to wear jeans. But still, he would sit me down and discuss what he had been thinking on those nights when he pressed my body against his and stroked my hair, the curve of my hip and the area between my collar bone and breasts until his penis was hard against my thigh.

In those incredibly awkward and galling conversations he reassured me repeatedly that he would never do anything to compromise my virginity. Using the tone of a person explaining something perfectly logical that should be obvious to anyone with the IQ of a mollusk, he explained that my mother had gained weight and it was killing his boners. I was young, slender and attractive and he saw nothing terribly wrong with using my body to kick-start the old engine and thoughts of me to keep it humming along.

What baffled me then but makes perfect sense to me now is why he thought that I would be reassured by his repeated promises that he would not cross the arbitrary line of virginity. He had no real plans to stop using me as his fluffer. But my virginity, which he had pledged to protect and to keep safe for my future husband, was off-limits. As time went by and his fluff-sessions became more lurid, I feared the line of technical virginity would be like the Maginot Line, more an illusion of safety than an actual defense.

But he kept his promise. And now I understand why. The emphasis placed on virginity by the Purity Culture allowed my step-father to minimize his non-vaginal sexual abuse of my body.

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poo poo like that is a big part of why even Mike loving Huckabee came out swinging hard in defense of the Duggars when they -- a right-wing Christian celebrity family -- were embroiled in a scandal involving their son's serial molestation of his younger sisters (and one non-sister) and both how they failed to handle it and how they covered it up with the help of a combination state trooper-pedophile-family friend that they just happened to know was the guy to see.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

teenagers gently caress without rubbers and their parents make them get married to save face. not exactly a greek loving tragedy here

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Blue Raider posted:

teenagers gently caress without rubbers and their parents make them get married to save face. not exactly a greek loving tragedy here

well its not actually common either so there goes the thread

very much looking forward to shooting these people in far cry 5 though

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Blue Raider posted:

teenagers gently caress without rubbers and their parents make them get married to save face. not exactly a greek loving tragedy here

This is America. Lower your expectations.

quote:

A great majority of the child marriages involve girls and adult men

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

well its not actually common either so there goes the thread

very much looking forward to shooting these people in far cry 5 though

yea it looks cool for the first time in franchise history

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

very much looking forward to shooting these people in far cry 5 though

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
why would any girl want to end this practice? she can divorce her gross old husband at 18 and get some sweet assets and alimony for life. great way to start college

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Dapper_Swindler posted:

Christianity is loving cancer,

Fixed

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

And here I would have thought Utah's rates would be hire.

Guess they go to Idaho instead?

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Rutibex posted:

why would any girl want to end this practice? she can divorce her gross old husband at 18 and get some sweet assets and alimony for life. great way to start college

Every cloud!

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Rutibex posted:

why would any girl want to end this practice? she can divorce her gross old husband at 18 and get some sweet assets and alimony for life. great way to start college

In the circles where this is common - religious extremism - a young woman married off young is likely to be homeschooled and that education is really unlikely to continue after marriage, since these are the same circles where old gender norms are current norms, these women will be unlikely to talk to outsiders, or any man not her husband, and no women outside of her church or family.

So what i'm saying is there is no support for anyone who seeks this, they may lack the legal knowledge to even seek this kind of thing, and even if they know about it, they would certainly fear for their soul, social ostricization, and generally be afraid to break rank for lots of gross reasons.

This is all really messed up. I think it's dumb but understandable if a 17 or 18 year old wants to get hitched. After all you can enlist at 17, why not be able to go full retard with marriage too? Whatever, but with anyone younger it shouldn't be legal at all and there's no reason for a place like Texas to allow this.

Apoplexy
Mar 9, 2003

by Shine

Oh dear god what did you do to my computer it's smoking and beeping and suddenly producing blood

My Rhythmic Crotch
Jan 13, 2011

Hmm this thread should end well

Hastings
Dec 30, 2008

I cannot even imagine what kind of thinking would have to take place for a Christian to rationalize this practice. These individuals do not worship Jesus, they worship at the altar of Sexual Purity and Tribalism. They love their own more than God.

qkkl
Jul 1, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Is it legal to have sex with a minor if they are your spouse? I'm assuming no, considering that they put that one Mormon leader in prison for it.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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qkkl posted:

Is it legal to have sex with a minor if they are your spouse? I'm assuming no, considering that they put that one Mormon leader in prison for it.

Think the article said that sometimes it does make it legal. Which is loving disgusting.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Hastings posted:

I cannot even imagine what kind of thinking would have to take place for a Christian to rationalize this practice.

The kind that reads Deuteronomy 22. This poo poo is exactly in line with the Bible.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

*Points out that Islam is a religion founded by a child molester.*

*Goes to church where they forcibly marry children to their rapists.*

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





Manchild King posted:

I don't think ministers should be able to rape you. It's wrong.

yeah OK edgelord :rolleyes:

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

i wouldn't say a maximum of 20 ‱ is very common at all OP

for comparison, duchenne muscular dystrophy, a rare muscle wasting disease, affects about 1 in 5000 males

Please stop loving children.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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scrubs season six posted:

Please stop loving children.

:yikes:

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015


You realize 25/10000 is 1 in 400 right?

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here

Manchild King posted:

I don't think ministers should be able to rape you. It's wrong.

You have convinced me.

Snatch Duster
Feb 20, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

scrubs season six posted:

You realize 25/10000 is 1 in 400 right?

.001 out of 4 is basically zero right?

El Boot
Mar 18, 2009

Thank Dog It's Friday
Even the strictest, most conservative southern baptists I know think Pentecostals are lunatics

green chicken feet
Nov 5, 2015

spray-paint the vegetables
dog food stalls
with the beefcake pantyhose
Grimey Drawer
How on Earth does getting married erase the crime that happened before the marriage like in the case of this 11-year-old? This is mostly a rhetorical question because the whole thing is so insanely screwed up. I don't expect a logical answer.

Regarding Warren Jeffs (Mormon fundamentalist), I don't think the "it's not rape because we're married" loophole would fly because he wasn't legally married to those girls. As far as I know, polygamy is still not legal in any state.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

El Boot posted:

Even the strictest, most conservative southern baptists I know think Pentecostals are lunatics

pentecostals are loving madmen. like straight up.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

i wish i could run off this loving jahova that shows up about once every other week without committing misdemeanor assault

Hastings
Dec 30, 2008

Who What Now posted:

The kind that reads Deuteronomy 22. This poo poo is exactly in line with the Bible.

Again, this is picking and choosing how to interpret Jewish text. It also says, "No Gods before me", yet this is textbook case of idolism.

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009

Blue Raider posted:

i wish i could run off this loving jahova that shows up about once every other week without committing misdemeanor assault

Do what I did, answer the door while drinking beer on a Sunday morning in a Morbosidad shirt. They will stop coming.

I didn't do that to be an edgelord I'm just a dirtbag :negative:

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

green chicken feet posted:

How on Earth does getting married erase the crime that happened before the marriage like in the case of this 11-year-old?

Because God says so. The rapist pays the dad a fee and marries the victim and everything is cool.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

WatermelonGun posted:

Do what I did, answer the door while drinking beer on a Sunday morning in a Morbosidad shirt. They will stop coming.

I didn't do that to be an edgelord I'm just a dirtbag :negative:

idk what to do with the mfer. its the same guy every time and ive considered a few nonchristian options to scare him off. i have beer on deck basically always so i might try it next time

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green chicken feet
Nov 5, 2015

spray-paint the vegetables
dog food stalls
with the beefcake pantyhose
Grimey Drawer

Who What Now posted:

Because God says so. The rapist pays the dad a fee and marries the victim and everything is cool.

That may be their religious belief, but I don't think that's how U.S. law works...?

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