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As of writing this OP bowl season is approaching and it's that time of year again. Tentative top 10 in each position atm. I haven't watched all these prospects this is just general consensus from what I've seen on the internet so far: QB: Caleb Williams Jayden Daniels J.J. McCarthy Michael Penix Jr. Shedeur Sanders Drake Maye Jordan Travis Quinn Ewers Bo Nix Michael Pratt RB: Trey Benson Braelon Allen Will Shipley TreVeyon Henderson Blake Corum Raheim Sanders Jonathon Brooks Jaylen Wright Carson Steele Donovan Edwards WR: Marvin Harrison Jr. Malik Nabers Emeka Egbuka Johnny Wilson Keon Coleman Rome Odunze Xavier Worthy Ladd McConkey Troy Franklin Ja'Lynn Polk TE: Brock Bowers Cade Stover Ben Sinnott Ja'Tavion Sanders Jaheim Bell Luke Lachey Brevyn Spann-Ford Bryson Nesbit Oronde Gadsden II McCallan Castles OT: Olumuyiwa Fashanu Joe Alt Taliese Fuaga Kingsley Suamataia JC Latham Graham Barton Tyler Guyton Jordan Morgan Amarius Mims Blake Fisher OG: Zak Zinter Cooper Beebe Christian Haynes Troy Fautanu Christian Mahogany Donovan Jackson Tate Ratledge Layden Robinson Javion Cohen Walker Parks C: Sedrick Van Pran Zach Frazier Jackson Powers-Johnson Bryce Foster Logan Jones Andrew Raym Cooper Mays Matthew Lee Duke Clemens Bryan Hudson Edge: Dallas Turner Jared Verse Chop Robinson Laiatu Latu Jordan Burch JT Tuimoloau Tyler Baron Bralen Trice Princely Umanmielen Jack Sawyer DT: JerZhan Newton Maason Smith Kris Jenkins Leonard Taylor Ruke Orhorhoro Nazir Stackhouse T'Vondre Sweat Michael Hall Jr. McKinnley Jackson Dontay Corleone LB: Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Barrett Carter Junior Colson Tommy Eichenberg Jaylan Ford Trevin Wallace Smael Mondon Jr. Danny Stutsman Cedric Gray Jason Henderson CB: Kool-Aid McKinstry Kalen King Cooper DeJean Denzel Burke Josh Newton TJ Tampa Max Melton Jason Marshall Kamari Lassiter Quinyon Mitchell S: Kamren Kinchens Calen Bullock Tyler Nubin Javon Bullard Jaden Hicks Cole Bishop Jalen Catalon Cole Bishop Rod Moore Andrew Mukuba Demani Richardson You may now discuss prospects but keep in mind there's no such thing as a proven draft philosophy and a lot will change between now and April
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i asked about some prospects, ended up inspiring this great thread. no big deal. really hoping to get one of the top 2 safeties if this season ends not very well which it's trending toward. or stover
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Nov 16, 2023 23:21
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All I know is that whoever the Raiders draft in the first round is almost guaranteed to be a bust!
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Nov 16, 2023 23:24
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Bo Nix will be Geno's understudy next year.
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Nov 17, 2023 03:44
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Tell me about the late 1st round / early 2nd round WRs please.
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Nov 17, 2023 08:37
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Black Sunshine posted:All I know is that whoever the Raiders draft in the first round is almost guaranteed to be a bust! The draft doesn't begin until the Raiders overthink themselves into a 4D chess move bust.
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Nov 17, 2023 10:50
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Here's hoping Kalen King enjoys more success than Kalen Ballage.
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Nov 18, 2023 07:38
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*scratching Jordan Travis off the big board*
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Nov 19, 2023 04:33
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(watches exactly two Drake Maye garbage time drives in a loss) this guy's a bust
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Nov 19, 2023 04:45
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Caleb regressed to merely a good QB1 prospect and is going to drive someone absolutely loving crazy when he holds the ball that long in the league. This year’s tape he has no idea what he’s doing in a pocket or with his feet but has the potential to be an AR/Cam caliber physical talent with what he can do at the margins in between insanely bad pressure decisions. I told you all about Daniels 2-3 years ago. JJ’s going to need the Goff treatment for like 2 years to make it work because holy poo poo does he look rough when he doesn’t know what a defense is planning. Still aims the ball too much. Penix is neat and old. Love his layered throws, hate his injury history and bizarre choices on out breaks. Bo’s tape is good but I have some serious reservations about how clean some of the reads need to be for him to pull the trigger at times. Drake Maye makes some fascinating throws but has been functionally playing in a fisher price offense this whole time. Love his tools. Quinn has elite tools yet still looks like he’s never read s defense before at times. That offense is really presaged on his deep ball and release and gives me some really uncomfortable vibes relative to certain prospects. Sanders has some interesting tools and timing throws but I’m going to need to know exactly how much of his pocket bullshit is attributable to his dad’s preferences. MHJ is the best receiver prospect since Calvin. Faster than AJ, more technical than Julio, bigger than JaMarr. Rest of the class has 5+ receivers I would give a first round grade right now. Bizarre RB class Shallow LB class. Deep CB class with a lot of S conversion candidates. Lots of variety in edges Tyliek Williams should be a top 3 DT on the list Very shallow OL class. Feels like the overall vibe is similar to other Covid classes where the 7 on 7 talent is there but I think we’re missing some linemen and middle of field defenders.
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Nov 19, 2023 06:07
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TheGreyGhost posted:Caleb regressed to merely a good QB1 prospect and is going to drive someone absolutely loving crazy when he holds the ball that long in the league. This year’s tape he has no idea what he’s doing in a pocket or with his feet but has the potential to be an AR/Cam caliber physical talent with what he can do at the margins in between insanely bad pressure decisions. Agreed TheGreyGhost posted:MHJ is the best receiver prospect since Calvin. Faster than AJ, more technical than Julio, bigger than JaMarr. Agreed
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Nov 19, 2023 18:15
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I hope the Pats can either continue to suck bad enough to get to pick Marvin or he makes it to them if the order holds as is
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Nov 19, 2023 18:21
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which quarterback this draft season will be the one that rises to the top once the draft writers get bored of writing their 14th article on the top prospects throwing motion and trick the bears into trading up for the first round pick for?
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Nov 19, 2023 18:32
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Coolwhoami posted:which quarterback this draft season will be the one that rises to the top once the draft writers get bored of writing their 14th article on the top prospects throwing motion and trick the bears into trading up for the first round pick for? Bo Nix
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Nov 19, 2023 18:42
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i'd rather the bears just give a gazillion dollars to justin fields to be frustrating and mediocre for the next five years then go through another 3 year process of watching them ruin another highly-regarded qb prospect. just stop drafting quarterbacks.
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Nov 19, 2023 18:46
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R.D. Mangles posted:i'd rather the bears just give a gazillion dollars to justin fields to be frustrating and mediocre for the next five years then go through another 3 year process of watching them ruin another highly-regarded qb prospect. just stop drafting quarterbacks. Fields might be fixable with the right coach, think it's worth just changing up the playcaller before committing to someone else.
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Nov 19, 2023 18:56
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What's crazy is that there's still a chance he could fall in the draft once reporters and GMs start asking questions about what his dad's been up to since retiring
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Nov 19, 2023 18:58
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Fields has had one of the worst coaches in the league destroying his career. I think he's better than every QB in this draft, maybe not Jayden if he reaches his potential
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Nov 19, 2023 19:12
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Probably Magic posted:Fields might be fixable with the right coach, think it's worth just changing up the playcaller before committing to someone else. It doesn't matter who the coach is, it's the bears. They will never have a good qb.
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Nov 19, 2023 19:41
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Black Lighter posted:What's crazy is that there's still a chance he could fall in the draft once reporters and GMs start asking questions about what his dad's been up to since retiring Goes undrafted when every single front office goes mysteriously missing
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Nov 19, 2023 19:43
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R.D. Mangles posted:It doesn't matter who the coach is, it's the bears. They will never have a good qb. i mean... true
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Nov 19, 2023 19:43
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Black Lighter posted:What's crazy is that there's still a chance he could fall in the draft once reporters and GMs start asking questions about what his dad's been up to since retiring Marvin Harrison played the game the right way™, so his crime empire was never an issue. Can't see why it would be a concern now.
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Nov 19, 2023 19:58
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Doltos posted:Fields has had one of the worst coaches in the league destroying his career. I think he's better than every QB in this draft, maybe not Jayden if he reaches his potential You’re stealing my bit but yeah, Fields should go 1 in every draft that doesn’t have a Lawrence or Luck. He’s somehow still produced in flashes with a team trying to run him in the Colt McCoy era browns offense. Rosen may not have worked out but I will absolutely die on the Fields hill. Black Lighter posted:What's crazy is that there's still a chance he could fall in the draft once reporters and GMs start asking questions about what his dad's been up to since retiring So, an extremely funny bit has been the way he gets covered by Ohio State beat writers. Usually they’re very very quick to reach out to family/do quick hits with them at media availability. In 20 years, I have never seen them not only defer to but also fail to press a single quote the way they have with Sr. Sr literally said in an interview “I told him to listen to me not the coaches on technique and gameplay” and there was zero follow-up (admittedly because I’m going to bet his coaching points are similar to Hartline’s). Any other parent and we would have done like a week long newscycle about the stage parent involved but not him. Coolwhoami posted:which quarterback this draft season will be the one that rises to the top once the draft writers get bored of writing their 14th article on the top prospects throwing motion and trick the bears into trading up for the first round pick for? Daniels will rise over where he is now but is probably too dynamic and black for this treatment so gut say Nix. I’m not convinced Ewers or McCarthy declare but if they do, then one of them could do it if it they get the “here’s how their college offense holds them back” treatment (it doesn’t).
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Nov 19, 2023 20:30
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I straight-up don't understand the Nix hype, maybe someone can explain it to me.
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Nov 19, 2023 21:20
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Probably Magic posted:I straight-up don't understand the Nix hype, maybe someone can explain it to me. 5 star recruit who started a billion games. Good athlete, good arm talent. Unfortunately, Oregon runs a Mickey Mouse YAC monster offense again so I can’t help but see him as Dwayne Haskins with worse vision and better speed.
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Nov 19, 2023 21:49
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TheGreyGhost posted:5 star recruit who started a billion games. Good athlete, good arm talent. Unfortunately, Oregon runs a Mickey Mouse YAC monster offense again so I can’t help but see him as Dwayne Haskins with worse vision and better speed. Dwayne Haskins is definitely a quarterback that would have benefitted with better vision.
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Nov 19, 2023 21:53
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TheGreyGhost posted:Caleb regressed to merely a good QB1 prospect and is going to drive someone absolutely loving crazy when he holds the ball that long in the league. This year’s tape he has no idea what he’s doing in a pocket or with his feet but has the potential to be an AR/Cam caliber physical talent with what he can do at the margins in between insanely bad pressure decisions. Caleb’s been so weird this year, he’s just played stupid way too often. I blame the bad defense for making him think he needs to hero ball at all times. Also does anyone have access to the Daniels posts, bc I’d love to see them
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Nov 19, 2023 22:23
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TheGreyGhost posted:MHJ is the best receiver prospect since Calvin. Faster than AJ, more technical than Julio, bigger than JaMarr. I hope MHJ has a wonderful career and scores many points unless it is against my team.
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Nov 19, 2023 22:48
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I think the point is that Harrison lacks the clear deficiency that other top end prospects have had. There's simply nothing he's bad at.
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Nov 19, 2023 23:20
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I agree MHJ is best receiver prospect since Megatron but I find your comparisons weird. You picked the relatively weak thing about each other great wr prospect. Correct, my point with that is that every elite prospect someone brings up short of megatron had a weakness that he doesn’t. He plays like super Amari Cooper in that sense. Relentlessboredomm posted:Caleb’s been so weird this year, he’s just played stupid way too often. I blame the bad defense for making him think he needs to hero ball at all times. I mean, that OL isn’t helping but I don’t know many teams where the expectation on a route concept is “I’ll throw to you after 5 seconds”. Their passes take longer to develop than an end around, and Lincoln absolutely refuses to run the ball the last couple years which means no one respects their play action or the MOF threat from them. He had better pocket presence at Oklahoma when he was just going off pure instinct honestly. The more reads and responsibilities he’s given the more paralyzed he looks trying to make decisions. Everyone hit Fields for the time he took on option routes on certain vertical looks—Caleb makes him look like Brady on anything past 10 yards. From 2021 draft thread: Jayden Daniels - Arizona State No idea why he's not getting the bump Malik is. He's the same caliber, if not better, of an athlete, but his arm mechanics are a lot smoother with better touch and consistency at the sideline. Biggest issue is that he'll sidearm balls and sometimes stand up too stiff or wobbly when delivering--both of which are classic Dual Threat issues that can be coached out. I think the limited Pac 12 season has people sleeping on him a lot . He could put up a 3000/1000 year for them this coming year and get his name up there in a big way.
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Nov 19, 2023 23:21
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Penix to the Raiders and Odunze to Seattle so my mom gets mad that the Seahawks skip on a QB but can be happy at a good WR option.
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Nov 20, 2023 06:33
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Say your team is picking in between 26-32, what would it take to move up to pick 3 to get Marvin Harrison Jr.? Julio Jones trade was a 1st 2nd and 4th, plus the following year's 1st and 4th. By JJ value it looks more like 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and a 4th. If you're a team like the Ravens, Chiefs, Jaguars, or Bills I think you have to entertain making that trade. Pairing your top end QB with as near a can't miss #1WR as we've seen could be revolutionary.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:06
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Say your team is picking in between 26-32, what would it take to move up to pick 3 to get Marvin Harrison Jr.? Julio Jones trade was a 1st 2nd and 4th, plus the following year's 1st and 4th. By JJ value it looks more like 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and a 4th. You'd be better off trading to like #10 for much less and draft Keon Coleman.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:09
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I think this WR group is insanely stacked. It's hard to rank the guys behind MHJ because you can flip on any of their tape and be like yep that's a top 15 guy right there.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:13
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That's kind of been the status of the past 5 years. The hit rate on 1st round WRs has been insanely high. Almost any other year, if you pick between the #1 WR prospect or the field for who will produce the best NFL WR, I'd go with the field. I think that MHJ is just such an outlier as a prospect that those typical considerations can be overlooked. Terrible process, I know. The guy is just such a rare player. The idea of pairing him with a known high quality QB is so tantalizing.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:22
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I think a lot of kids are going to 7 on 7 camps/tournaments which I used to hate but now think they're pretty valuable. I think it's good for teaching kids how to get open and how to look for open receivers.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:26
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There definitely seems to be an inverse relationship in the improved quality of WRs/CBs and decreasing quality D and O linemen.
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I think there's an assload of quality defensive linemen out there. Offensive linemen are far more rare.
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Strongly disagree. There are some quality edges but the interior D line is lacking. We get one maybe 2 1st round level DT/NT a year.
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Diva Cupcake posted:I think there's an assload of quality defensive linemen out there. Offensive linemen are far more rare. The Puppy Bowl posted:Strongly disagree. There are some quality edges but the interior D line is lacking. We get one maybe 2 1st round level DT/NT a year. I wonder whether that's kind of related. The nose tackles and the OL are there to do the dirty work, close gaps, eat blockers. The edge rushers get all the star power and the attention.
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