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Yeah, as  as this whole arc has been, it feels like a milestone in terms of fresh and new content or overall change of pace. That may be partially because Nice Pete is just such a great character, but it is more than that.Also at this point, I think uncomfortable self discovery and related fellatio in the back of a serial killer's van is about the best possible outcome to the situation.
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For me, it's not so much that I don't want Teo to be gay, it's that I hate to see him in an uncomfortable situation. If he does turn gay (or more correctly, if it's revealed that he is), then this is a horrifying first-gay-experience for him, and I would question his mental stability for seeking to re-enact any part of this in the future.
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Jul 10, 2010 01:19
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Jul 10, 2010 01:36
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bloodychill posted:The thing is, if T wants to explore his sexuality, it'd be nice if it wasn't in the back of a sociopath's van with an elderly man's 10 inch dick. Yeah, I think this is what some people are reacting poorly to. It's not so much him experimenting (I doubt that many people were angry about him and Hiram the Blacksmith), it's that gay experimentation is appearing as an element of horror here.
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Erebus posted:Yeah, I think this is what some people are reacting poorly to. It's not so much him experimenting (I doubt that many people were angry about him and Hiram the Blacksmith), it's that gay experimentation is appearing as an element of horror here. Exactly! Hiram was a gentleman about it (and I always imagined him as pretty hunky). Perhaps Onstad doesn't intend it this way, but yes, the homosexual element of the evening's antics does appear to be one more reason why we should be horrified, rather than a soupçon of titillation to lighten the mood.
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Jul 10, 2010 02:06
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I'd say it's an element of mental stress for Teodor and a dose of insanity for the readers amidst a crazy and horrible situation, rather than an element of horror itself. More of an element of bizarre and surprising storytelling, which to me is part of the core of Achewood. I am still super glad I didn't accidentally recommend or bring up Achewood to anyone sensitive/judgemental recently.
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Jul 10, 2010 02:18
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Teodor didn't go to one of Rays parties one night. When dudes asked where T. was this is the answer he gave them.
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Dodgeball posted:For me, it's not so much that I don't want Teo to be gay, it's that I hate to see him in an uncomfortable situation. If he does turn gay (or more correctly, if it's revealed that he is), then this is a horrifying first-gay-experience for him, and I would question his mental stability for seeking to re-enact any part of this in the future. I'm just saying it would be kind of insulting to just forget about a whole storyline like this, but there's not really a lot of directions it can go after this. I mean a a year of on-off strips of Teodor going to therapy isn't very appealing, and just shunting it to the side after the fact is pretty demeaning to the whole idea. Not as demeaning as it would be to, say, have a character's sexual orientation change because he was trapped in the back of a van by a psychopath with a creepy old man who gives handies in the middle of a Denny's who coerced him into performing a sexual act on him. Whatever, accuse me of being whiny if you want, but as someone "of the persuasion", I find this whole story arc to be ill-conceived at best. Sorry for being an ol' stick in the mud Onstand, but I don't think sexual assault is a really hilarious subject fodder for a strip about cats getting stoned, and it isn't seeming to be handled in a very intelligent or tasteful manner.
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poor and weird posted:Sorry for being an ol' stick in the mud Onstand, but I don't think sexual assault is a really hilarious subject fodder for a strip about cats getting stoned, and it isn't seeming to be handled in a very intelligent or tasteful manner. I don't think it's supposed to be funny, dude. I think we hit a bump in Pete's van and we switched gears to drama.
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poor and weird posted:I don't think sexual assault is a really hilarious subject fodder for a strip about cats getting stoned, and it isn't seeming to be handled in a very intelligent or tasteful manner. Why do you keep saying this? There's been no sexual assault (so far, at least.) The fact that you keep reading it into the strip says more about you than Achewood, I think.
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I also wouldn't read Achewood if it were just a strip about cats getting stoned.
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poor and weird posted:I'm just saying it would be kind of insulting to just forget about a whole storyline like this, but there's not really a lot of directions it can go after this. I mean a a year of on-off strips of Teodor going to therapy isn't very appealing, and just shunting it to the side after the fact is pretty demeaning to the whole idea. Not as demeaning as it would be to, say, have a character's sexual orientation change because he was trapped in the back of a van by a psychopath with a creepy old man who gives handies in the middle of a Denny's who coerced him into performing a sexual act on him. Jesus gently caress, the arc isn't even over yet. How many times has Achewood thrown the audience a curveball? That's rhetorical, because the answer is clearly a "lot". And so what if T sucks the old homosexual's dick? Sometimes creepy old men gay men coerce people into performing sexual acts on them. Nobody is saying that all gay dudes do. You'd think this little webcomic had paid its dues by now in regards to handling homosexuality fairly. Regarding your point about "shunting it to the side", Pat became gay well after he was established as straight. Now he's gay and it's a continuing part of his character. And it wouldn't be like this just came out of the clear blue sky. There have been hints for years. Besides, T's orientation has, to my knowledge, never been established one way or another. You are whiny. And you're a stick in the mud. edit; vvvvvvvvvv I'm talking about giving Onstad the benefit of a doubt and waiting to see where this arc goes before we start frothing at the mouth. Happy Hippo fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jul 10, 2010 |
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Jul 10, 2010 03:36
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Happy Hippo posted:You'd think this little webcomic had paid its dues by now in regards to handling homosexuality fairly. Remember kids, you only have to portray gays well once and then you're not allowed to be called on it anymore
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Jul 10, 2010 03:40
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Dodgeball posted:I don't think it's supposed to be funny, dude. I think we hit a bump in Pete's van and we switched gears to drama. I'm saying it's not very good drama, either. It's just in poor taste.
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Jul 10, 2010 03:50
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I'm not a fan of this arc either, but it's not really fair to claim it's objectively bad.
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poor and weird posted:I'm saying it's not very good drama, either. It's just in poor taste. The only pour taste is in Teodor's mouth. 
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I just think that wherever Teodor's character goes from here, I'm not going to like. Either he's happy-go-lucky T again and getting raped in the back of a van doesn't affect him at all, or he turns into an even crazier version of Beef. I mean, rape isn't something you just laugh off. :\
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poor and weird posted:I'm saying it's not very good drama, either. It's just in poor taste. Unless Onstad figures out a really clever way to redeem it, which I consider quite possible because he's a very clever man, I'm inclined to agree. Téodor should not have to get terror-laid for drama. ETA: I mean, maybe he's not intending it to come off as terror-laid, but that's how it's reading to me, and apparently to quite a few of us. It reads like he feels coerced and intimidated, not like he's voluntarily experimenting.
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poor and weird posted:as someone "of the persuasion" Out of curiosity, what did you think of the Pat story arc?
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poor and weird posted:I'm saying it's not very good drama, either. It's just in poor taste. Tragedy is when I cut my finger, comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.
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Jul 10, 2010 05:01
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Yeah, I'm not really sure where exactly being told "hey we're about to die, wanna bang" falls on the sexual coercion spectrum (just south of taking advantage of drunk chicks/dudes, I reckon), but it's a skeevy move to say the least. I've never said this before, but I'm really hoping for a "gasp it was all a (Nice Pete) dream!"
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It definitley is skeezy, but Nathan tells him to do what he wants. I do not think T is going to be proud, but it really isn't rape.
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^^ Exactly. He is being offered penile greatness. Penile greatness is not being forced upon him. The way I see is playing out with T's reconciliation of the fact that he has indeed performed a homosexual act is that he'll out himself to Ray and Beef. They'll ask how big it was. T will reply along the lines of "I tell you I just sucked a guy's dick and the first thing out of your mouths is to ask how big it was?" When he tells them, they'll nonchalantly agree that, as Nathan said, just being willing to handle/suck a big fat one precisely because it's so incredibly big and fat isn't gay, probably using the same analogy Nate used, except of referring to seeing the Ferrari Ray and Beef will talk about driving it. "You ever gotten the chance to drive a Ferrari?" "No." "Well, if you did, would you?" "Hell, yeah, I would!" "There you go."
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Didn't Teodor give Ray a blowjob in a way earlier strip? It's been a while since I read it, but it was some joke about how Ray talks way too much when he's nervous so he's talking through the whole thing or something like that. If it wasn't Teo it was at least one of the major characters. Edit: Nm it was a hypothetical two panels http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uuad6CqVK
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The amount of violence that has occurred from multiple crazy driving beatings, combined with it being the dead of night and adding a dash of Nice Pete in has made this arc both enjoyable but also very uncomfortable. I've read the strip for a very long time at this point and whenever Nice Pete shows up I can imagine the level of uncertainty involved due to his unpredictable mindset and the hanging risk of murder lurking in the events. The only character that has seemed to get away with telling Nice Pete no was Pat in strips where they lived together and frequently argued, everyone else seems to end up in a murder scenario, Lyle only really got out of it in Mr Band because he suckered Teo into it and diverted his rage. Words bout a comic in dis post
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say no to bats posted:The only character that has seemed to get away with telling Nice Pete no was Pat in strips where they lived together and frequently argued, everyone else seems to end up in a murder scenario, Lyle only really got out of it in Mr Band because he suckered Teo into it and diverted his rage.  This story arc is unnerving, but no more so than any of the experimental/exploitation films I've watched over the years where terrible things are visited upon innocent characters by psychopathic antagonists. Or to paraphrase Norman Mailer on "American Psycho", he has forced us to look at upsetting material, and so few (good) webcomics (that are actually worth reading) try for that much anymore. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jul 10, 2010 |
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say no to bats posted:The only character that has seemed to get away with telling Nice Pete no was Pat in strips where they lived together and frequently argued, Maybe Pat can rescue Téodor.
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Come to think of it, quite a few penii have been featured in achewood. The skateboarding cock, the straight up roasted ding dong, the furious ding dong, Pat's Mexican Magical Erection, the recently mentioned naked fighting and quite a few more. I think. I don't think this says anything about Mr Onstad other than he appreciates the important effect a penis can have on the narrative, even if the story is not about the penis itself. It's a MacGuffin with nuts and pubes.
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Dove from Above posted:Maybe Pat can rescue Téodor. He'd then berate him on proper naked lawn making GBS threads procedure.
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This arc is amazing and the sheer uncomfortable nature of all the characters' interactions has had me on the edge of my seat waiting for the next comic. Also what happened to those chinchillas 
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Jerusalem posted:Also what happened to those chinchillas Something tells me this is going to be the "stinger" to the arc.
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This is definitely one of those arcs I wish I could click through quickly like the Cartilage Head arcs, although granted it is much funnier. It's just so damned uncomfortable.
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Phillipe's not back yet is he? This is happening whilst the Steve character is driving him back, he's gonna get dropped off the same time Teodore rolls out the back of Pete's van naked and bleeding.
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Eau de MacGowan posted:Phillipe's not back yet is he? This is happening whilst the Steve character is driving him back, he's gonna get dropped off the same time Teodore rolls out the back of Pete's van naked and bleeding. No, he's already back. Edit: We never see him 'back home', but consider this: http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04262010 - This is the strip with Phillipe on the way back home. The time is 6am. http://achewood.com/index.php?date=05092010 - Two strips later, and the time is 1:53am. So it's not the same day. So either Phillipe came home between then, or it's a cross-country trip that took more than a day. Revol fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jul 10, 2010 |
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The man says to expect Phillipe in seventeen to twenty-three hours. The earliest Phillipe would have arrived is an hour before Pete showed up which seems unlikely and the latest is at five AM of the night/early morning we're still in.
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Revol posted:No, he's already back. I can already see the end of this arc, with Philipe and Steve waiting for Teodor. Then Pete crashes his van into Teodor's house, the door pops open to expose Teodor going down on Nate.
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Maybe Nice Pete is a stuffed bear transport specialist. He is taking Teodor where he needs to be.
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Okay, so here's a question: If this were Molly and a wrinkled up old meth hag, how would you guys feel about that?
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poor and weird posted:Okay, so here's a question: If this were Molly and a wrinkled up old meth hag, how would you guys feel about that? Happy she and Roastbeef found happiness together?
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