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Huge_Midget posted:Stupid pic didn't attach. It looks very much like a diesel, they have the turbos there.
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not the diesel- turbo on those is pretty much right on the bottom corner of the engine. diesel:  low mount setup in the 2010+ legacy gt:  oil scavenge for the turbo is cam gear driven. and here's what the power curve looks like on a stage 1 lgt: 
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Dec 1, 2011 01:22
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What turbo is it that the Legacy GT has? That seems to taper off more violently than my TD04 though the peak is way, way higher.
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Dec 1, 2011 01:38
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Also, that trubo engine pretty clearly has spots to attach coilpacks for spark plugs which the diesel wouldn't need.
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Dec 1, 2011 01:56
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That's a VF56, no?
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Now that they've released the full specs, I hope we'll see them as forza 4 DLC in the near future. My benchmark for fun is tossing an e30 m3 around the ring or laguna seca, so if it can match up to that I'll be pretty excited.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:if I'm not mistaken average buyer age on the Scion xB was somewhere in the 50s. I always figured this number was skewed by the huge number of xBs that ended up being rolling advertisements, company cars, and mini panel vans. And of course all companies are owned by people over 50.
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Uh...so that mystery motor is a 1.6 direct injected turbo motor. Wonder where that's going to go?  http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2011/11/2011-tokyo-auto-show-subaru-boxer-engines.html
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Uh...so that mystery motor is a 1.6 direct injected turbo motor. Wonder where that's going to go? http://i.autoblog.com/2011/11/30/subaru-advanced-tourer-concept-is-an-awesome-angry-wagon/
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Dec 1, 2011 05:25
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Scion had their unveiling about an hour ago. It looks like the automatic temperature A/C didn't make the cut on the base model. Here's hoping that it is going to be cheap... http://www.frs-scion.com/
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Dec 1, 2011 06:22
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The arm-out-the-window panels are still there (not suede though,) but it looks like they ditched the ones by the speakers and around the center console.
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Dec 1, 2011 06:36
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The fine text says the numbers are preliminary and subject to change on the FRS microsite. On top of that, they posted 200hp, not 197. Worst of all though, they wouldn't cop to whatever this thing weighs. TELLLL USSSS
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kimbo305 posted:The fine text says the numbers are preliminary and subject to change on the FRS microsite. On top of that, they posted 200hp, not 197. Worst of all though, they wouldn't cop to whatever this thing weighs. TELLLL USSSS Even if they do tell us, they could give dry weight like ferrari. It won't be long before somebody gets the drat thing on a scale and ends that question. press release posted:"We all know that it's not hard to make horsepower and torque, but it is hard to do all that and still achieve impressive fuel economy," Hollis said. "The FR-S accomplishes all three." heh, too easy.
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Dec 1, 2011 07:39
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Powershift posted:heh, too easy. Fuel: Premium Unleaded There's your 12.5:1.
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Rabble posted:Scion had their unveiling about an hour ago. It looks like the automatic temperature A/C didn't make the cut on the base model. Here's hoping that it is going to be cheap... Boo on the Scion branding, that sucks. Oh well, at least that means it's likely cheaper than I was expecting. Also, lol: 
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law abiding rapist posted:Fuel: Premium Unleaded I can't wait for people to complain about the NVH of that drat boxer motor in the car because they're running 87 to save a few bucks.
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Well, the press relea says "affordable" but that is just marketing lingo. So far the only thing we can assume is that the FR-S will be cheaper than the BRZ but pricier than the tC, and that the BRZ will be about the same cost as a base model WRX (per motortrend). So, anywhere from 21-24k. Probably more toward 21 because the BRZ has Nav, auto temperature control, fog lights, HIDs, etcetera already included.. We should also assume that a FR-S with the same options as the BRZ will be priced the same. NAIAS can't come soon enough.
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If it does come in around 21K, I think it'll be pretty successful. Not selling 200K units a year successful but still pretty good. How much were ITRs when they were new?
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hayden. posted:Also, lol: Oh for gently caress's sake. This is why we can't have nice things. (they're gonna sell a million of those slushboxes) Also I can't wait to ride with someone that insists on using the manual shift at all times but has no clue how to drive a real car.
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http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_arti...-86fr-sbrz.aspx Another good technical writeup on the car. A few interesting notes: "There doesn't appear to be any camber adjustment in the MacPherson strut front suspension." "The front calipers are two-piston sliders. These look a lot like Impreza calipers to us," Mystery Rear Diff Suspension seems to be pretty much Subaru 5x100 <--- WTF c355n4 fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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Dec 1, 2011 15:33
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Camber adjustment is done up in the shock towers with the sliders on MacFearsomes. Brakes sound adequate. The car doesn't need 6 piston calipers with 15 inch rotors at 2600 pounds. The 5x100 bolt pattern is looooolllll. Good luck getting any decent offset wheel on the car. Maybe they set it up like the S2000's wheels? +53 all day long. Hopefully they put some Lexus rear end in vs. just going with a Subaru one.
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Dec 1, 2011 15:46
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Octopus Magic posted:Camber adjustment is done up in the shock towers with the sliders on MacFearsomes. "The top mounts (visible in the engine shot) look suspiciously like Impreza top mounts. That's just fine, since Impreza mounts are indestructable, but there's no adjustment there." Aftermarket can take care of that; but, stock they didn't see any slots for adjustment in the typical spots.
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Dec 1, 2011 15:53
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Is that really a complaint that you can't change the camber on a stock suspension? 
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Where is the digital clock?
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Octopus Magic posted:Is that really a complaint that you can't change the camber on a stock suspension? It's one of those boy racer fantasies that this car is supposed to be upholding. Elephanthead posted:Where is the digital clock? Still there: http://www.speedsportlife.com/wp-content/gallery/scion-fr-s/scionfrs015.jpg This press photo has the brake handle covering the fact that it's an auto. Noice, real noice.
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Haha nice catch with the brake handle. That interior is gonna look so ragged out in used cars in 5 years.
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Well I don't see a clutch pedal in that picture, wouldn't that give it away?
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rscott posted:Well I don't see a clutch pedal in that picture, wouldn't that give it away? Well you can't see the brake pedal either, so it's still deceptive 
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5x100 and 2 POT calipers basically just means it's using the Impreza hubs and brakes. As mentioned, for a 2600lb car, I don't think that will be much of an issue. We wanted them to keep cost down right? They aren't going to do that if they start bolting on pieces from a $32k car (STI).
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Except they already have a whole bunch of wheel bearings from cars that come from Toyota that have a 114.3 bolt circle, RWD even? It's not like brake rotors/wheel bearing centers are really that difficult manufacture.
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Dec 1, 2011 17:46
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Well, it seems like everything mechanical on this car has been Subaru at this point. Subaru -> Chassis, mechanicals Toyota -> Sheetmetal, engine tuning, (possibly) interior So, it's not surprising that they are using Impreza hubs on this car. I honestly don't see the issue with it, I don't really hear standard WRX people having problems finding wheels. It honestly delights me as I would be able to continue my trend of having sets of wheels/tires that I can cross between all my cars.
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I think someone ordered 50 billion digital clocks in 1984 instead of 50 million. You should be able to order extra ones for the back seats or so you can have 8 time zones.
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I hate the bearing design on the 5x100 hubs. It probably is a cost thing; but, the 5x114.3 hubs from an STI would have been nice.
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same bolt pattern as mkiv vws, finding wheels shouldn't be a problem
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tbb9 posted:same bolt pattern as mkiv vws, finding wheels shouldn't be a problem Don't VWs use a low offset wheel?
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Toyota put out this ridiculous video in an attempt to top Nissan's infamous techno-driven engine assembly videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pCXsFDlvns For comparison, here's the surprisingly sedate Nissan engine assembly rave working on the Juke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz9t1u5F6Uo I want to see one of these for a really boring car sometime, because they're awesome.
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Didn't Subaru post a 26xx curb weight for the BRZ? It's not like the Scion is so totally different that it won't be close to that number.
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c355n4 posted:It probably is a cost thing; but, the 5x114.3 hubs from an STI would have been nice. This thing really reminds me of a RWD Prelude. I guess by the 5th gen it had gotten a bit heavier than this but the wheelbase, power and interior dimensions are nearly identical. Obviously this car is way more dramatic, but if sales are high maybe it will encourage Honda to bring the Prelude back.
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bull3964 posted:Well, it seems like everything mechanical on this car has been Subaru at this point. Didn't I hear that the transmission(s) were Toyota-sourced as well, or did I hallucinate that out of wishful thinking?
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PT6A posted:Didn't I hear that the transmission(s) were Toyota-sourced as well, or did I hallucinate that out of wishful thinking? Yes, it's a Lexus 6-speed
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