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Perry Normal posted:Actually, you got that backwards - Taker tapped out while pinning Angle in a very similar move to the gogoplata. No Way Out 2006
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Lloyd Boner posted:J-Ru's thinking of the awesome 2006 match. Angle didn't tap out, but he did get the pinfall by reversing the gogoplata. I think that may have been the first time Taker used it. Perry Normal posted:Actually, you got that backwards - Taker tapped out while pinning Angle in a very similar move to the gogoplata. I'd say I'm probably conflating multiple instances in my head - all I know is that I really enjoyed it when Kurt and Taker would feud.
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oldskool posted:It sounds like something McMahon would've done to Austin, DQing him for a closed fist punch, but I can't remember it actually happening.
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Apr 18, 2012 23:45
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Closed fists were legalized in 2006 during the McMahons vs DX feud, to give Shane an advantage. This rules change has not been revoked since.
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jeffersonlives posted:Whatever increased access that older hardcore fans have to things like spoilers - and I'd be careful of underestimating how easy it was to get spoilers in 1999, because the internet had already exploded by then, both in general and in terms of the "internet wrestling community" - is going to be counteracted by WWE's increased focus on small children who wouldn't be googling "next week's RAW results." That's an interesting point I hadn't considered. I first discovered smark internet sites as a teenager in 1998 when I looked up live PPV results for I show I wasn't able to watch. People in the same sitaution in 2012 might be more likely just to go directly to WWE.com now that it's a much more usable web site.
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Just wondering if there has been any word or update on Daizee Haze? Not to get to personal or anything, just curious.
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Apr 19, 2012 01:26
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Perry Normal posted:Actually, you got that backwards - Taker tapped out while pinning Angle in a very similar move to the gogoplata. Ahaha, this is so amazingly convoluted. Undertaker reaches his arm in to choke Angle, actually putting himself into a triangle choke. Then the ref checks Angle's shoulders a bunch, which are clearly on the mat, and doesn't count a pin until he suddenly feels like it. I appreciate that wrestling physics are their Own Thing, but this just doesn't work. I just watched the NWO match and that was a lot better, although I still don't understand why the ref doesn't count a pin when Angle's clearly pinning him for a long time before he flips into the "official" pin. Really good match regardless, though.
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Why wasn't Tatanka in any major promotion for most of the Monday night war era? He was never that great in the ring, but the guy was pretty over at one point. Wiki said he turned down a WCW offer in 1996 for spiritual reasons, but does anyone have any more details regarding this?
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Why wasn't Tatanka in any major promotion for most of the Monday night war era? He was never that great in the ring, but the guy was pretty over at one point. Wiki said he turned down a WCW offer in 1996 for spiritual reasons, but does anyone have any more details regarding this? It was mostly down to family issues. If I recall correctly there was someone sick in his family, and he couldn't or wouldn't justify going on the road with a big company. He did a bunch of independant stuff in the mean time, but it wasn't the focus of his career at that time.
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Was there ever any serious consideration toward giving Ric Flair a run with one of the World titles during his last WWE run?
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Apr 19, 2012 06:35
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TL posted:Was there ever any serious consideration toward giving Ric Flair a run with one of the World titles during his last WWE run? His final angle was actually pitched by Steve Austin as Flair has to win or he is fired and originally he would have won the Rumble and maybe the title but they didn't go all the way with it.
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Apr 19, 2012 06:37
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What happened to the guy in the yellow mask, Bulldozer, from Mountain State Wrestling since 2011? I never bother following MSW, but he was pretty cool.
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I heard he returned or was returning to MSW recently. He's been working other NWA promotions in the meantime.
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Quarex posted:I am not entirely convinced that TNA would be able to surpass the WWE in the ratings even if they had all of the top guys jump ship. I mean, have the ratings ever changed, no matter how many ostensibly popular people have gone from WWE to TNA?
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Chortles posted:Well, part of the problem is that Kurt Angle was really the best that TNA was ever able to grab from WWE -- both in terms of ring work and name power -- and it's all been downhill from there. Jeff Hardy is up there in name power.
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Apr 19, 2012 14:11
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"Up there," but I feel that Kurt Angle was the apex of what TNA brought in, in terms of feeling like "a big deal" without the "WWE cast-off" stigma.
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Apr 19, 2012 16:28
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TL posted:Was there ever any serious consideration toward giving Ric Flair a run with one of the World titles during his last WWE run? Consideration? Yes. But the part that everyone forgets because the video packages and ceremonies were so great around Mania is that his farewell tour angle was actually a pretty big flop for the months leading in, so I don't think it ever got to "serious" levels.
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By "last WWE run" for Flair, I meant from 2002 on. He was still pretty drat good in ring for the first couple years he was there, and promo wise, he was still Ric Flair.
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Most of what I can remember from Flairs last WWE run was him floundering in the midcard, which is odd because he was Ric Freakin' Flair. I think he talked about HBK talking to him, pulling him out of this slump.
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Apr 19, 2012 17:47
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Flair should have been the top manager in the wrestling business from 2002 on. He could have still done all of his Flair floppin' antics bumping as a manager. Nobody knows how to handle Flair, not even himself.
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Yeah I don't know what it is about wrestlers that they just can't give up the in-ring part of it. Flair could have been a GM or manager and still done the odd bump or match, but he has it in his head that he has to be an active wrestler. I understand not wanting to give up the crowd reactions, but you'd think you could still get that fix from a manager role. I guess we're not meant to understand it though, since most pro wrestlers are somewhat nuts.
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Apr 19, 2012 17:55
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triplexpac posted:I guess we're not meant to understand it though, since most pro wrestlers are somewhat nuts. You know that part of the Scott Hall documentary that everyone made fun of, where he said what do you do when they are not cheering for you anymore? Close to every wrestler who watched that probably ignored the fact they feel the very same way. I've seen shy, personable kids get their first wrestling match in front of 40 people and suddenly they weren't the same person anymore. That's all it takes. It's just like starting a band.
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Apr 19, 2012 18:00
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TL posted:By "last WWE run" for Flair, I meant from 2002 on. He was still pretty drat good in ring for the first couple years he was there, and promo wise, he was still Ric Flair. I'm not sure if there was any period between 2002 and 2005 when they could have put the title on him, although I don't see any reason they wouldn't have thought of it either. There was the concept after Rocky Balboa came out and Randy Couture won the UFC heavyweight title that he might get one last run on top with that sort of storyline, but I don't think it was ever that close to happening in the form of a title run, and it basically morphed into the "possible career-ending match" angle they actually did.
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Lone Rogue posted:Flair should have been the top manager in the wrestling business from 2002 on. Flair knows how how to handle himself the same way he knows how to handle taxes and wives.
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Apr 19, 2012 18:08
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Managers don't get paid as much as wrestlers, do they?
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triplexpac posted:Yeah I don't know what it is about wrestlers that they just can't give up the in-ring part of it. Flair could have been a GM or manager and still done the odd bump or match, but he has it in his head that he has to be an active wrestler. Look at Mick Foley, who's still talking about "taking one last bump". Or Austin, who's thinking about one more match, despite having a neck made out of chalk. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if in a few years from that we'd see Edge having one big match. Wrestlers just can't let go. They seem to have this obsession to constantly prove that they can still be the wrestler they once were. They can't handle the idea that the business will and does pass them by.
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I've seen Mick Foley do that "punch yourself til you bleed" bit twice in interviews, and man does that come across as pathetic.
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Austin wasn't forcibly retired by his neck issues, he just had a bunch of creative differences with WWE over a course of years that led to him not wrestling again after his issues in 2003. He probably can't take any ridiculous head or neck bumps, but he's fine going in there and doing some holds and moves, as you saw on Tough Enough. I think it's been expected that he'd eventually do another match or two the entire time, he's just only going to do it under his terms with the right opponent because he has the power to do that.
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Davros1 posted:Look at Mick Foley, who's still talking about "taking one last bump". Or Austin, who's thinking about one more match, despite having a neck made out of chalk. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if in a few years from that we'd see Edge having one big match. I think Edge is worse off than Austin though. Edge's neck locks up just from him sitting down.
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I realize he may not be the most objective source, but I remember Austin saying I think on Twitter that he and his doctors think he has another year in him.
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triplexpac posted:Yeah I don't know what it is about wrestlers that they just can't give up the in-ring part of it. Flair could have been a GM or manager and still done the odd bump or match, but he has it in his head that he has to be an active wrestler. I think acceptance of change is something that all humans (even the best of us) struggle with. When you've done something drat well for years, and all of a sudden you can't do it because your body won't let you, it's akin to having a broken heart. The way you want to live your life, you can't do anymore. It's little surprise that decades of drug and alcohol abuse and bad decisions have led to him still not being able to make good decisions. I mean it's never really the lovely guys who can't let it go (or maybe they just aren't as publicized).
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Captain Magic posted:
Well getting poo poo on constantly by companies run by carnies and never getting your big moment in the spotlight probably leaves you with a different impression of a wrestling career and whether or not you still have it in you.
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Apr 20, 2012 00:06
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Since it came out that Edge's contract is going to expire, I had to wonder; how are contract negotiations handled with wrestlers? Do they tend to do it on their own, or do they have agents?
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BlueArmyMan posted:Since it came out that Edge's contract is going to expire, I had to wonder; how are contract negotiations handled with wrestlers? Do they tend to do it on their own, or do they have agents? Lex Luger was among the first to have an agent. Many of the top level guys have agents.
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I totally would have been down with a few week Flair title run back around his farewell tour. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdsZJacfji0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdsZJacfji0
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It was a good time when we had TLC matches on RAW.
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projecthalaxy posted:I realize he may not be the most objective source, but I remember Austin saying I think on Twitter that he and his doctors think he has another year in him. Yeah he said his doctors have said he's fine if he ever wants to wrestle again, and he thinks he could probably go full-time for another year or two, he just doesn't want to.
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Cardboard Box posted:Yeah he said his doctors have said he's fine if he ever wants to wrestle again, and he thinks he could probably go full-time for another year or two, he just doesn't want to. I love Stone Cold, but I wouldn't want him around for more than another big match or two. One, because WWE would rapidly turn him into just another guy, and two, because it would take away time from when he could be tweeting.
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TL posted:I love Stone Cold, but I wouldn't want him around for more than another big match or two. One, because WWE would rapidly turn him into just another guy, and two, because it would take away time from when he could be tweeting. If anything, Stone Cold coming back might make Vince bring JR back full-time and get rid of Cole/make him a heel manager.
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TL posted:I love Stone Cold, but I wouldn't want him around for more than another big match or two. One, because WWE would rapidly turn him into just another guy, and two, because it would take away time from when he could be tweeting. I agree. This is also at a time where WWE should be building new stars, and I think Austin knows that.
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