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Dawnfire
Aug 25, 2011

Bork Bork!

Evil Canadian posted:

Nope, they are all huge as gently caress. Have fun clipping through the back of it regardless of your character size!


It only cancels the unfinished wyrmhunter quest things. I myself let the cipher quest die cause I couldn't figure it out.

Thanks! Good to know.

I actually hate how big the tower shields are in general, but I think my char must be the one exception where it's not clipping through her back. She's not excessively small or anything either. It still looks silly on her though.

How's everyone else liking mystic knight though? I'm trying to like sky dance, but it's useless on ground targets from just about everytime I've used it. So really can't have it as a replacement for blink/burst strike. The other magic based sword skills are flat out useless, and hardly put out any real damage. I like the idea of the shield skills, but I don't know if I pop out perfect guards enough for them to be worthwhile.

Related question, what exactly does holy wall really do? I love it's visual effect, but how does it really enhance your guard?

Edit:

Doctor Shadow posted:

This game is nothing short of totally amazing. I fought a Cyclops not too far from Gran Soren at night and it was an amazing 10 minute battle in the dark, with the whole thing ending as a pack of Direwolves showed up!

I swear, this just happened to me like an hour ago. Though my favorite giant monster fight has easily been my first and only golem fight. It happened at dusk, and I had run into it completely by accident. I panicked at first, but the method of dealing with them was pretty obvious. It's just the whole fight was amazing as night fell and we fought the glow of the golem's runes. And then...when I had broken it's glowing amulet and caused it to shut down, everything went completely dark as only the faint light of it's head showed it trying to recharge. Having to climb him in pitch black and reach for the only light source on my screen was the oddest and most unique moment I've had in the game.

Dawnfire fucked around with this message at 07:38 on May 24, 2012

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marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

How soon can you get that Metamorphosis thing, and can you use it on pawns? I like my pawn, except I accidentally left a really squeaky voice on her when I was changing her around and now I can't stand listening to her.

Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice
I wouldn't mind the lack of a fast-travel system if there were more than one way back. Every time I've done an escort mission, it's this giant winding road and then I have to go back the exact same way. Hoo-ray, unless I spend 4-5X what I got paid for the mission, I have to fight all these goblins, wolves, harpies and thieves that are no threat at all yet again just to get back to the capital.

This game is frustrating because for all this stuff it does right (combat, making large enemies actually feel like a threat, the character creation, lots of clothing options, difficulty, etc, etc.), it really misses the mark on what makes open world games great. I don't feel rewarded for exploring in this game, there's no real loot to speak of, no awesome hidden locations or easter eggs (at least that I've found, hopefully someone has found something) and the world itself is just bland and there's a serious lack of lore surrounding it. After coming off of Skyrim, Dark Souls and Xenoblade, the world feels boring. Still better than Amalur's.
As much as I just complained I am still highly enjoying the game and will probably make it my first platinum trophy'd game. I'd love to see a sequel/successor with a much more fleshed-out world. I really just wish getting back from escort quests was less mind-numbing.

Also, do completed side quests and notice board quests get carried over into NG+ or should I try for those trophies before finishing the main game?

Role Play McMurphy
Jul 15, 2010

Lotish posted:

How soon can you get that Metamorphosis thing, and can you use it on pawns? I like my pawn, except I accidentally left a really squeaky voice on her when I was changing her around and now I can't stand listening to her.

I think you can change the voice at the barbershop for money as opposed to rift crystals. It's in Gran Soren so relatively quickly.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Dawnfire posted:


How's everyone else liking mystic knight though? I'm trying to like sky dance, but it's useless on ground targets from just about everytime I've used it. So really can't have it as a replacement for blink/burst strike. The other magic based sword skills are flat out useless, and hardly put out any real damage. I like the idea of the shield skills, but I don't know if I pop out perfect guards enough for them to be worthwhile.

Related question, what exactly does holy wall really do? I love it's visual effect, but how does it really enhance your guard?

I have put some time into every class now except sorcerer and Knight is my favourite class. Sky dance is something you need to feel out and get the hang of, its not as straightforward as the blink strike(I have taken blink strike off my bar in favour of sky dance). Once you get the hang of it it is really fun and versatile.

Also the magic skills for sword are quite good, I assume you dont have Vortex+ yet or you wouldn't be saying that.

Holy wall eats up proectiles to the range of its force field is my full best guess. I have seen it eat up fireballs without me actually blocking it but the wording is so vague I don't know if that is all that it does or not.


*ed*

Other great thing about the Knight is the fact you can use staves. It really gives you full coverage against all enemies in the game. I didn't think I would use it much at first but after I learned comestion it is a gamechanger. You get options against air based foes like harpies and the like, while having comestion devastate giant creatures.

Evil Canadian fucked around with this message at 07:52 on May 24, 2012

Dawnfire
Aug 25, 2011

Bork Bork!

Evil Canadian posted:

I have put some time into every class now except sorcerer and Knight is my favourite class. Sky dance is something you need to feel out and get the hang of, its not as straightforward as the blink strike(I have taken blink strike off my bar in favour of sky dance). Once you get the hang of it it is really fun and versatile.

Also the magic skills for sword are quite good, I assume you dont have Vortex+ yet or you wouldn't be saying that.

Holy wall eats up proectiles to the range of its force field is my full best guess. I have seen it eat up fireballs without me actually blocking it but the wording is so vague I don't know if that is all that it does or not.


*ed*

Other great thing about the Knight is the fact you can use staves. It really gives you full coverage against all enemies in the game. I didn't think I would use it much at first but after I learned comestion it is a gamechanger. You get options against air based foes like harpies and the like, while having comestion devastate giant creatures.

Does Vortex+ work on bigger enemies then? Cause I tried to get the starter version working and it couldn't take in humans, and the range was pretty bad. I'm up for giving it another try if others say some of the upgraded versions are good then. Magick cannon seemed to lack any real oomph though, unless the upgraded version starts pelting out like 3 times the damage it didn't seem super useful at the time.

I assume you're just taking a staff with you as backup? I probably should have considered that, since it'd be easy to switch to for when I need a change.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



So I found this world map. Is that really all there is? I'm disappointed if all that greyed out area is unavailable and the first real city you get to is literally the only one that exists.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!
I love this loving game. Just spent literally 30 minutes in a ridiculous fight with the Drake that's by the Shadow Fort. ~Level 35 party, took almost every potion/healing thing I had on me, I had to revive my pawns countless times, but I loving finally took him down. My sorcerer pawn got off the most ridiculously clutch spell I've ever seen. I had the wyrm down to about a bar and a quarter life. He rears up to do a swipe when suddenly three big rear end ice spikes come flying out and get him right in the heart. Bam, one health bar gone and suddenly he's on the ground with a tiny bit of life left. Rushed over with my warrior pawn and killed him just before he got up again.

Game of the year, gently caress the haters.


e: Gave the dragon forged shoulder cape I got from the fight to my pawn for maximum swag.

VDay fucked around with this message at 08:11 on May 24, 2012

Sankis
Mar 8, 2004

But I remember the fella who told me. Big lad. Arms as thick as oak trees, a stunning collection of scars, nice eye patch. A REAL therapist he was. Er wait. Maybe it was rapist?


Manatee Cannon posted:

So I found this world map. Is that really all there is? I'm disappointed if all that greyed out area is unavailable and the first real city you get to is literally the only one that exists.

Yeah. Looks like that's all. That's a bit disappointing but the world so far feels a bit bigger than it looks.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying

Manatee Cannon posted:

So I found this world map. Is that really all there is? I'm disappointed if all that greyed out area is unavailable and the first real city you get to is literally the only one that exists.
It looks really small compared to Skyrim but fast travel is prohibitively expensive and quests constantly send you all over the map from the very beginning of the game, so it ends up feeling like plenty of world.

Shardok
Jan 12, 2009
Okay... So... Vivi isn't black any more!? Also... He looks like a viking with that staff sticking up behind his hood.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Dawnfire posted:

Does Vortex+ work on bigger enemies then? Cause I tried to get the starter version working and it couldn't take in humans, and the range was pretty bad. I'm up for giving it another try if others say some of the upgraded versions are good then. Magick cannon seemed to lack any real oomph though, unless the upgraded version starts pelting out like 3 times the damage it didn't seem super useful at the time.

I assume you're just taking a staff with you as backup? I probably should have considered that, since it'd be easy to switch to for when I need a change.

Vortex works on everything that isn't a giant sized like ogres and cyclops.

Magick cannon kinda sucks, use staff for your long ranged abilities(Although upgraded version actually literally does 3x the damage, 3 hits instead of 1).

I use staff and mace fairly interchangeably, Mace for human foes sized foes, staff for fliers and the rest.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!

Shardok posted:

Okay... So... Vivi isn't black any more!? Also... He looks like a viking with that staff sticking up behind his hood.

Yeah I zoned out for a bit while editing him and looking at dyes and forgot to change it back before saving so he's gonna be white until I get to the encampment again to buy another metamorphosis thing (assuming I can).

e: On the plus side he hit rank 8 so he has high bolide (extra meteors) now and will be getting high maelstrom and high seism as soon as I get enough DP.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Sindai posted:

It looks really small compared to Skyrim but fast travel is prohibitively expensive and quests constantly send you all over the map from the very beginning of the game, so it ends up feeling like plenty of world.

Actually that makes it feel smaller to me. When I realized that I'd just looped all the way back around to the beginning areas by exploring and saw that that I'd seen half the map right from the start the world just shrunk in my mind. The lack of fast travel seems like it was a decision meant entirely to pad the length of the game because if you could just warp everywhere at will the game would be ten hours long. It doesn't seem very open ended, it feels more like Fable in that regard. I'm disappointed in these things.

I also wish the missions were more complex than "kill rabbits" and that the story was even remotely involving. It's not as hard as I'd heard either, going out at night is not the death warrant I'd heard it was. Plus the menus are terrible beyond words. I don't regret my purchase or anything but when you look at what the game is you can see what it could have been and it's a little sad.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

The Traffic Safety Squirrel

Azraden posted:

This game is frustrating because for all this stuff it does right (combat, making large enemies actually feel like a threat, the character creation, lots of clothing options, difficulty, etc, etc.), it really misses the mark on what makes open world games great. I don't feel rewarded for exploring in this game, there's no real loot to speak of, no awesome hidden locations or easter eggs (at least that I've found, hopefully someone has found something) and the world itself is just bland and there's a serious lack of lore surrounding it. After coming off of Skyrim, Dark Souls and Xenoblade, the world feels boring. Still better than Amalur's.
As much as I just complained I am still highly enjoying the game and will probably make it my first platinum trophy'd game. I'd love to see a sequel/successor with a much more fleshed-out world. I really just wish getting back from escort quests was less mind-numbing.

Seriously? There's hidden stuff everywhere with little bits and pieces of loot (some rare and as far as I can tell, unique) but mostly money and components for upgrading equipment. Have you not been exploring at all? Look around a bit, climb ledges, pay attention to the mini map.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Wow,I just lost 3 hours of progress and I have no idea why. I really like this game but it is absolutley broken beyond anything I have ever played in my entire life. I am drat tempted to try and take it back to the store. That poo poo is just final loving straw.

Shadow Ninja 64
May 21, 2007

"I stood there, wondering why the puck was getting bigger...

and then it hit me."


Well, I finally had my "holy poo poo this game kicks rear end" moment. Gran Soren sidequest spoilers:

I went down into the Everhall under the Pawn Guild and ran into an Ogre on the spiral staircase area. My group was handling it fine and I decided to get daring and cling onto it. The problem was that we staggered it and the Ogre fell off the staircase with me still clinging to it. I thought I was done for, but miraculously enough my character stayed on top of the Ogre, which cushioned the fall and died in the process. Helluva shortcut, that was.

Anyway, I want to branch out to other classes with my Strider, but I am loathe to give up the Arrow Rain special (whatever it's called). Does Magick Archer eventually get something similar? Also, is it recommended to stick with your starting vocation until it maxes out at 9 levels or does it not really matter?

Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice

Tufty posted:

Seriously? There's hidden stuff everywhere with little bits and pieces of loot (some rare and as far as I can tell, unique) but mostly money and components for upgrading equipment. Have you not been exploring at all? Look around a bit, climb ledges, pay attention to the mini map.

That's what I've been doing. I mean, yeah, there's poo poo here and there, but for the most part there's no really awesome equipment or anything, and pretty much all of it is just copies of stuff I've found while breaking boxes or harvesting without going off the beaten path. Exploring just feels unsatisfying.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Is there a list or something on where you can obtain what armours? I saw the female bandit mage armor and I know that armor will be the key to success to get my pawn hired even more often(its like skanky guild wars style elementalist armor).

Dogbutt
Nov 26, 2011

Look at my face.
Anyone wanna hire my Pawn Flunny? She's about level 15 and she's an ranger. She has cool hair, but I wish I knew how to make it a crazy color. Where can I find dyes anyway?

Shardok
Jan 12, 2009
Dogbutt, add your pawn info here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjSfcATozBXidFB3ZVVQUDA2d2tfZElncXB4ZXk0OWc#gid=0

I pretty much only hire pawns from there (free pawn rental). If I wasn't using that I presume I would not have got enough RC to make my pawn Red. All red.

Also, for anyone that has finished Land of Opportunity, If ya buy the house, where the frell is it!? Thank ye kindly.

Dogbutt
Nov 26, 2011

Look at my face.

Shardok posted:

Dogbutt, add your pawn info here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjSfcATozBXidFB3ZVVQUDA2d2tfZElncXB4ZXk0OWc#gid=0

I pretty much only hire pawns from there (free pawn rental). If I wasn't using that I presume I would not have got enough RC to make my pawn Red. All red.

Also, for anyone that has finished Land of Opportunity, If ya buy the house, where the frell is it!? Thank ye kindly.

Ah OK! I added her just now. If I change her class, do I need to edit the document? I'm guessing yes.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I literally can't wrap my mind around the save system in this game. I am trying to do this quest "A fortress besieged". I ran around trying to find this loving red circle forever, killed a Chimera, a dragon and a couple of ogres amongst 100's of trivial enemies. This took a really long time. Eventually I decided to try and run back because I couldn't figure out where to go. I had saved probably 5 times over the course of this and decided to reload my game at the thieves castle. "Reload Checkpoint" meant bumping back to Cassardis. all of my saves ignored, no way to load my save without literally existing the game, checpoint means wherever the gently caress we felt like saving last. Whoever thought this save system up needs to get punched in the loving balls. I have never been so pissed off at a game in my life.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

NESguerilla posted:

I literally can't wrap my mind around the save system in this game. I am trying to do this quest "A fortress besieged". I ran around trying to find this loving red circle forever, killed a Chimera, a dragon and a couple of ogres amongst 100's of trivial enemies. This took a really long time. Eventually I decided to try and run back because I couldn't figure out where to go. I had saved probably 5 times over the course of this and decided to reload my game at the thieves castle. "Reload Checkpoint" meant bumping back to Cassardis. all of my saves ignored, no way to load my save without literally existing the game, checpoint means wherever the gently caress we felt like saving last. Whoever thought this save system up needs to get punched in the loving balls. I have never been so pissed off at a game in my life.
That's bizarre, I have never had it not reload my latest save game available, be it my manual save or an automatic checkpoint save.

Shardok
Jan 12, 2009
Do not pick Reload from Last Checkpoint. Always pick the Retry option or just quit game and reload entirely. Both work. And your old saves should still exist right now if you quit game and reload.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Samurai Sanders posted:

That's bizarre, I have never had it not reload my latest save game available, be it my manual save or an automatic checkpoint save.

Maybe it just glitched then? I have just had horrible luck with this game in a technical sense. Broken saves, broken vendors, broken graphics, broken skill upgrading...It's like completely loving game ruining. I have no faith that anything i do will actually work. I seem to be the only one with this problem though so i don't know what the gently caress.

Seriously all this poo poo just about killed my motivation to play anymore, which sucks because I like Dragon's Dogma so much outside of the tech problems i have had.

Shardok posted:

Do not pick Reload from Last Checkpoint. Always pick the Retry option or just quit game and reload entirely. Both work. And your old saves should still exist right now if you quit game and reload.

Tried that. It's gone. It just loads from the place it bumped me back to.

veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 09:38 on May 24, 2012

Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice
Just got the awesome mace Obliteratrix. :black101:

So I'm about ~15 hours in and I'm still using the Captain's Armor Set (got it to level 2). Am I at least getting close to getting better equipment? As far as plot goes I'm doing quests for the duke so I can meet him because apparently the hydra head wasn't enough? I've actually done the two I need to, just doing to the other two for xp/money.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

NESguerilla posted:

Maybe it just glitched then? I have just had horrible luck with this game in a technical sense. Broken saves, broken vendors, broken graphics, broken skill upgrading...It's like completely loving game ruining. I have no faith that anything i do will actually work. I seem to be the only one with this problem though so i don't know what the gently caress.

Seriously all this poo poo just about killed my motivation to play anymore, which sucks because I like Dragon's Dogma so much outside of the tech problems i have had.
I don't suppose the disc or your PS3/360 is bad? The only game-altering glitch I have seen so far is once falling into a giant boulder I was standing on top of, but I was able to leave the boulder and everything was fine after that.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




So Dragon's are pretty loving hardcore. My character is level 42, I'm stomping everything I meet left and right. I decided hey why not take on the dragon at the forest near the shadow fort?


He beat the poo poo out of me and called me names.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Nelson Mandingo posted:

So Dragon's are pretty loving hardcore. My character is level 42, I'm stomping everything I meet left and right. I decided hey why not take on the dragon at the forest near the shadow fort?


He beat the poo poo out of me and called me names.

Yeah I have had like 8 tries at that fucker and he keeps wasting me. Just so much health and deals so much damage.

Chekans 3 16
Jan 2, 2012

No Resetti.
No Continues.



Grimey Drawer
Load from Checkpoint loads from the last time you autosaved, which is at an Inn. The other option loads from your manual save. I don't think it was a glitch, just bad luck selecting the option =/

PringleCreamEgg
Jul 2, 2004

Sleep, rest, do your best.
If anyone on PSN needs a sword and board Guardian/Nexus pawn thats around level 30 my PSNID is EdgeVelcana. Also my dwarf woman is in full Swordsman Berserk armor and has an ever burning sword.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Does anyone know where you can get:

The Soldier and Captain's suits of armor.

The Chestpiece that Mercedes is wearing.

A short white skirt.

Swordsman Armor?

Shardok
Jan 12, 2009
Captain's Armor Set was a Pre-order bonus and can also be bought for 2Bux from the DLC list.

Zombie Defiler
Apr 30, 2005

I don't much care for your negative attitude, mister.
So I hit level 30, and my pawn Wren is maxed out on her mage job, I'd like to get her started on sorcerer, but can you bring anything good out of sorcerer into mage? I wouldn't give a drat except only mages have heals.

Also is the berserk shop gear worth buying? Should I save my money for later on in the game? Are there any guaranteed super loot chest drops that I should seek out?

I keep seeing pawns roaming around with cool poo poo like dire wolf shoulders and glowing daggers, but I have no idea where to find that stuff.

Nelson Mandingo posted:

Swordsman Armor?

The swordsman armor is from the berserk shop in the quarry after you finish the quest there.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Zombie Defiler posted:


The swordsman armor is from the berserk shop in the quarry after you finish the quest there.

Thank god someone knows. Where is this shop exactly? I keep seeing "The Quarry" but where is "The Quarry" I know where the ancient quarry is.

Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 10:24 on May 24, 2012

Mazed
Oct 23, 2010

:blizz:


So, the worst thing I've heard about this game is that there's a lot of really tedious backtracking.

How bad is it? In a game like Dark Souls, the backtracking is actually a part of the gameplay pacing, and despite being open world, still has distinctive (if sometimes obscure) routes that you're funneled along, with specific obstacles that must be dealt with each time (arguably, said obstacles, and the necessity of carefully overcoming them, actually being one of the biggest hooks in terms of gameplay).

If Dragon's Dogma is more in the vein of an Elder Scrolls, with big open wilderness and such, is the lack of a quick-travel function something that only brings tedium and needless padding, or does it actually feel somewhat natural and deliberate?

Buckwild Dorf
Apr 5, 2011

by XyloJW

Azraden posted:

That's what I've been doing. I mean, yeah, there's poo poo here and there, but for the most part there's no really awesome equipment or anything, and pretty much all of it is just copies of stuff I've found while breaking boxes or harvesting without going off the beaten path. Exploring just feels unsatisfying.

You must be bad at finding stuff or getting screwed on random items. I've got loads of neat stuff. The most recent weapon of raditude was a two handed war hammer with three heads. David Bowie looks so intimidating with his cyclops helmet and metal finger nails.

I also think you're still in the first act of the game and that's where a lot of your loot is kind of meager. You do start to find lots of stuff, and lots of cool stuff. My harpy cloak has yet to be matched and that was something I found in one of the reward chests.

Mazed posted:

So, the worst thing I've heard about this game is that there's a lot of really tedious backtracking.

How bad is it? In a game like Dark Souls, the backtracking is actually a part of the gameplay pacing, and despite being open world, still has distinctive (if sometimes obscure) routes that you're funneled along, with specific obstacles that must be dealt with each time.

If Dragon's Dogma is more in the vein of an Elder Scrolls, with big open wilderness and such, is the lack of a quick-travel function something that only brings tedium and needless padding, or does it actually feel somewhat natural and deliberate?
There sort of is. The biggest issue is that the shortcut to one side of the map is in the opposite direction you'd go when heading for that area. You never really need to take the old route once you discover the shortcut because, well, you have no need for that side of the map once you leave it.

Buckwild Dorf fucked around with this message at 10:23 on May 24, 2012

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




Mazed posted:

So, the worst thing I've heard about this game is that there's a lot of really tedious backtracking.

How bad is it? In a game like Dark Souls, the backtracking is actually a part of the gameplay pacing, and despite being open world, still has distinctive (if sometimes obscure) routes that you're funneled along, with specific obstacles that must be dealt with each time (arguably, said obstacles, and the necessity of carefully overcoming them, actually being one of the biggest hooks in terms of gameplay).

If Dragon's Dogma is more in the vein of an Elder Scrolls, with big open wilderness and such, is the lack of a quick-travel function something that only brings tedium and needless padding, or does it actually feel somewhat natural and deliberate?

There is a lot and lots and lots of backtracking. Sometimes it's cool, especially when you discover a new area or the game throws something new at you. Most of the time it's tedious. But it's just something you live with.

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Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


NESguerilla posted:

Maybe it just glitched then? I have just had horrible luck with this game in a technical sense. Broken saves, broken vendors, broken graphics, broken skill upgrading...It's like completely loving game ruining. I have no faith that anything i do will actually work. I seem to be the only one with this problem though so i don't know what the gently caress.

Seriously all this poo poo just about killed my motivation to play anymore, which sucks because I like Dragon's Dogma so much outside of the tech problems i have had.


Tried that. It's gone. It just loads from the place it bumped me back to.

So, are you saying that loading an autosave somehow deletes your manual save?

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