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I'm not bothered by them making a joke kickstarter as much as I am by the fact that it's probably going to work and they're completely duping a "loyal fanbase" to make some sort of backhanded point about crowd funding. But hey, people will support this so they'll get more dickwolves
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Juc66 posted:They don't need the money, there's no reason to even take it. You contradict yourself so many times that I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make.
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Jul 10, 2012 20:59
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I really don't see the point in pissing off their advertisers for the sake of a joke. Not to mention yet another PR nightmare for the sake of a joke they did a year ago. Really, the flaw here was hosting it on KS. They could have done it one their site or through an actual donation-collecting third-party, and few people would have been upset.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:00
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"They don't need the money, so they won't take it" is probably the stupidest loving thing I've ever heard. I need to think for a second...no. Nope. Misunderstanding the basic human concept of greed is the dumbest loving thing I've ever heard.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:01
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Jul 10, 2012 21:04
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Rorus Raz posted:I really don't see the point in pissing off their advertisers for the sake of a joke. Not to mention yet another PR nightmare for the sake of a joke they did a year ago. I take it you're not aware of the PA guys' MO then. That's exactly the sort of dumb loving thing G and T would do. Some people have claimed it's even a pushback against the Feminist Frequency thing; I don't believe that, but that'd be a totally apropros thing for them to additionally do, since it's based off them being vitriolically offensive to feminists and feminism in general for no reason other than to be assholes. But no, I'm not really attributing this to hilarity so much as basic human greed, since that makes more sense.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:04
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Al! posted:Hey maybe they'll turn out to be good guys and donate all the money for toys for children who can already afford medical care. Tell us more about how you hate kids not having to feel even worse when holed up in the hospital for long periods of time and how you have no idea what Child's Play actually does 
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Jul 10, 2012 21:06
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Al! posted:Hey maybe they'll turn out to be good guys and donate all the money for toys for children who can already afford medical care. NINbuntu 64 posted:Tell us more about how you hate kids not having to feel even worse when holed up in the hospital for long periods of time and how you have no idea what Child's Play actually does Nope nope nope we're not doing this again Shut up both of you, don't bring CP into this, debate the merits of the KS by itself removed from the context of that charity they founded
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Jul 10, 2012 21:07
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NINbuntu 64 posted:Tell us more about how you hate kids not having to feel even worse when holed up in the hospital for long periods of time and how you have no idea what Child's Play actually does I'm pretty sure they donate evil dolls possessed with the soul of a serial killer to children.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:09
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I was thinking about donating to Ouya for that console. It'll be closed out before I even get off work.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:10
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The Penny Arcade guys do Good Things and just because they're making The Worst Kickstarter doesn't invalidate other Good Things they've done. Likewise, Good Things don't make The Worst Kickstarter any better.
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greatn posted:I'm pretty sure they donate evil dolls possessed with the soul of a serial killer to children. That only happened six times.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:10
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purple prime posted:I was thinking about donating to Ouya for that console. It'll be closed out before I even get off work. They will definitely be out of consoles at the reasonable level... at the time of this posting, they had
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Jul 10, 2012 21:12
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purple prime posted:I was thinking about donating to Ouya for that console. It'll be closed out before I even get off work. You better hurry up. Less than 200 left, and going FAST!
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Jul 10, 2012 21:12
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They just bumped the number of $99 consoles from 5000 to 10000. Can someone edit this to include Ouya-relevant people/product? 
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Jul 10, 2012 21:14
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Occupation posted:"They don't need the money, so they won't take it" is probably the stupidest loving thing I've ever heard. They've pissed away many thousands of dollars in the past for their weird moral code. This wouldn't be out of line for them.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:16
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zenintrude posted:They will definitely be out of consoles at the reasonable level... at the time of this posting, they had
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Jul 10, 2012 21:20
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:I'm sure they'll just add an equally priced tier to sell more, they'd be stupid not to. They already doubled the count to 10,000 units.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:23
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Ouya's tech specs aren't there to compete in the same market as the 360 and PS3 which aren't that much more expensive, and the majority of Android gamers are plugging a loving controller into their phone and tablets to run N64 emulators. Ouya is a bigger joke than PA's kickstarter at this point.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:28
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Jefferoo posted:Ouya's tech specs aren't there to compete in the same market as the 360 and PS3 which aren't that much more expensive, and the majority of Android gamers are plugging a loving controller into their phone and tablets to run N64 emulators. Ouya is a bigger joke than PA's kickstarter at this point. The 360 and PS3 cost literally twice as much money, the tech specs have it only being slightly less powerful when you consider the actual performance of the 360 and PS3 GPUs and having it run Android is great because it makes it an easy platform to target for smaller developers who don't have a chance on literally every other console on the market.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:32
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How is PA's ks just a way to pay for business costs in a way that Rich Burlew's "give me money to republish these previous published books" wasn't? It seems the main difference is Rich Burlew is likable and much more talented, but it's still not a new project, it's the cost of business.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:34
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Here is a thread for OUYA talk ... as for the PA talk, uh, I mostly just wish PA hadn't done this thing that they did. Bizarre. Do try to keep it on point instead of chatty, so this thread doesn't become entirely That Place To Talk About PA Screwing A/O Saving Us All. If this thread turns chatty catty, we'll have to take measures, which would suck.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:37
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Would people feel better about the PA thing if, instead of going through Kickstarter, they sold a $25 "membership" that was basically just a login that removed the ads and gave you access to a few special featured comics or something? Lots of webcomics have been doing that for a long time and nobody seems to have any problem with it.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:51
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anotherone posted:Would people feel better about the PA thing if, instead of going through Kickstarter, they sold a $25 "membership" that was basically just a login that removed the ads and gave you access to a few special featured comics or something? Lots of webcomics have been doing that for a long time and nobody seems to have any problem with it. Given that (almost) everyone posting in this thread paid  to post on SA, I don't think there would be too much righteous indignation.This whole thing is just weird.
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Hostile Rabbi posted:Given that (almost) everyone posting in this thread paid What's the difference, then, if instead of selling a $25 membership, they take $25 pledges from whoever would sign up for a theoretical "Penny Arcade Membership", and then give everyone the membership benefits? This is the public radio model, it seems to work (to a point) for them. They will make more than $1M, don't worry about that.
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Jul 10, 2012 22:00
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anotherone posted:What's the difference, then, if instead of selling a $25 membership, they take $25 pledges from whoever would sign up for a theoretical "Penny Arcade Membership", and then give everyone the membership benefits? This is the public radio model, it seems to work (to a point) for them. Considering how the pledges have slowed to a crawl over the last few hours I doubt they're going to do much more than break even + $20k or so.
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poo poo, Ars Technica has been doing a $25 yearly membership for a long while now, for that matter. My issue with them using Kickstarter is that it fails a whole rainbow of requirements to be considered a backable project. There's bound to be at least one crowdsourcing site that allows 'fund my life' and 'pay my ongoing business expenses' 'projects'.
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Jul 10, 2012 22:03
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Why do some of you think the Penny Arcade guys have an axe to grind against Kickstarter? They made one comic about it months before Double Fine started the current craze. Since Double Fine, they have been supportive with Tycho regularly posting about Kickstarters, especially for board games and tabletop RPGs. I won't contribute because I don't have a problem with ads, but I don't get all the hostility (aside from the residual Dickwolves hate).
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Jul 10, 2012 22:05
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I don't see why this is much different than any other donation-drive-funded media (NPR, etc). What's the big deal.
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I think the main problem people have is it is using Kickstarter for purposes not intended for Kickstarter that may in fact be against Kickstarter's rules. There is going to be a lot of anger and frustration too if and when Kickstarter enforces that rule. This kind of project could open floodgates on the site for things that are not new projects or creating new things of value.
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greatn posted:I think the main problem people have is it is using Kickstarter for purposes not intended for Kickstarter that may in fact be against Kickstarter's rules. There is going to be a lot of anger and frustration too if and when Kickstarter enforces that rule. This kind of project could open floodgates on the site for things that are not new projects or creating new things of value. Other comics have used Kickstarter for the exact same thing: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1798142889/the-abaddon and Gabe says that Kickstarter's cool with it: https://twitter.com/cwgabriel/status/222800585043357696 edit- the "Project" that they're funding is "a year of comics". If they don't make the money they're trying to make, they'll still make the comics, except they'll fund it by selling your eyeballs to ad companies. This is exactly what Kickstarter is for: A way to raise money to fund a thing. There are lots of Kickstarters that are like "Fund my African photosafari" or "we need money to record an album"- it's not all fancy watch presales. anotherone fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jul 10, 2012 |
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Wow, honestly I think Gabe and Tycho are assholes but this is kind of an interesting idea. Finding a way to completely circumvent advertising and all the inevitable conflicts of interest that creates would be awesome.
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Definitely the worst Kickstarter I've ever seen. Not sure what they're really aiming for here, because the joke isn't that funny.
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Anemone Thief posted:The Tegra3 is pretty powerful for a mobile chip. You could get that with a 360 controller and a laptop from 10 years ago. I'll never understand why people on this forum will fall over themselves to waste money on something just for the sake of emulators. Then again, I'll never understand why anyone would willingly give money to the talentless shitbirds responsible for Penny Arcade either. raditts fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jul 10, 2012 |
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Jul 10, 2012 23:01
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Azure_Horizon posted:Definitely the worst Kickstarter I've ever seen. Not sure what they're really aiming for here, because the joke isn't that funny. I think they are aiming to remove ads from their site? I think Gabe and Tycho are unfunny dickheads but how does this not make sense: The penny arcade guys need a million dollars a year to keep running PAX and making rape jokes and just being them. Normally they get paid a million dollars a year by advertising but now they are aiming to replace that with donations. It's not a joke. The reward tiers are bad because the objective is not to give rewards, but to get money.
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Because Kickstarter is about creating new content with crowdfunding, not paying to remove content. Sure, you can pay more to eventually get new content but the main focus is just paying for them to switch revenue streams. But you know, with this Kickstarter I guess my original sentence isn't true. So I guess anything goes at this point.
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cydereal posted:So the Retrovirus kickstarter failed pretty hard. I wanted to give you guys some details, because even in failure we fall into a pretty interesting group. As part of your drive to secure the funds you need to finish Retrovirus, would you consider releasing DLC levels for Sol Survivor? Please?
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Azure_Horizon posted:Because Kickstarter is about creating new content with crowdfunding, not paying to remove content. Yeah, they'll switch revenues and then continue to produce new content. How are the comics, shows, and blog posts not new content? I don't think we can call this paying to remove content, because ads don't count as such in the first place. Ads are just noise. Beanpants posted:And no matter how you slice it, that $7500 pay-to-work intern for a day tier is loving disgusting. This is the closest to a reasonable objection I've seen so far, though I'm still not sure if I'd call it disgusting. They're offering 2 and have sold one already, but I hope the people buying them aren't doing it as a stab in the dark to pad a resume / get a job interview or something. I somehow doubt anyone'll get college credit for it. Still, you know what you're paying for and if you have that sort of cash to drop I think it's your business if you want to. It could certainly be incredibly exploitative, but I think it depends more on the means of the person who put the money down. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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The difference here is that they'll produce new content regardless. It doesn't change anything aside from ads disappearing. The money isn't really going towards new content.
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Azure_Horizon posted:The difference here is that they'll produce new content regardless. It doesn't change anything aside from ads disappearing. The money isn't really going towards new content. They're saying they'll be able to make new content with the ads being gone. I'm not kidding, this is a thing they loving said.
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