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thespaceinvader posted:They're clearly not drawing from reference, or it wouldn't be so poo poo. I specifically said it looked like a combo of multiple contorted shots, though, like the flexible spine of one with the flailing legs of the other. So yeah, almost impossible for all of them combined, but really, that shouldn't be the point the suspension of belief is broken for comic book superbodies. I still like this mid-action shot:  Which looks even MORE bizarre than the silly Psylocke shot that people get worked up over. Mister Roboto fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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Mister Roboto posted:I specifically said it looked like a combo of multiple contorted shots, though, like the flexible spine of one with the flailing legs of the other. To be fair,just because people do it doesn't make it any less silly or dumb looking. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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People are thinking more wire-work referencing then actual still shots from aerial maneuvers. Humans in general look loving goofy as hell in those.
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Mister Roboto posted:I specifically said it looked like a combo of multiple contorted shots, though, like the flexible spine of one with the flailing legs of the other. So yeah, almost impossible for all of them combined, but really, that shouldn't be the point the suspension of belief is broken for comic book superbodies. Of course it looks bizarre, but reality is allowed to look bizarre. But tracing that picture and expecting people to know what's going on or expecting it to look cool is silly. Daredevil and Spider-Man and a host of others have been doing crazy poses for a long time and usually they're ok because the artist has a handle on how to make it look good.
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Am I the only person who liked Superman #200 issue? Especially this scene:   Batman's totally out of character, but I love the shot of Gotham of exploding.
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It was difficult to pick which of Kaare Andrews' illustrations of Emma Frost from "Astonishing X-Men: Xenogenesis" was the worst, so I'm just going to go with this one from issue #1, which also features his complete inability to draw Hisako's face properly.
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Heresiarch posted:It was difficult to pick which of Kaare Andrews' illustrations of Emma Frost from "Astonishing X-Men: Xenogenesis" was the worst, so I'm just going to go with this one from issue #1, which also features his complete inability to draw Hisako's face properly. Not the worst Emma Frost New x-men 128 
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I think the sad part of that is Kaare Andrews can do some amazing stuff like this:
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On one hand, it's pretty horrific, but I do appreciate that they took the usual comic book cheesecake and turned it into something nightmare inducing, either by accident or design.
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RevKrule posted:I think the sad part of that is Kaare Andrews can do some amazing stuff like this: I think Andrews came up a lot earlier in the thread, but the consensus is that: A: He is an amazing cover artist (just look at his Hulk covers and his current Ultimate Spiderman covers like this:  B: He loves to experiment with so many different styles that while yea his Emma Frost does suck he is not a bad artist as he was just experimenting with style (see also his more anime style in Ultimate X-Men C: He is seriously a really nice guy and he even drew me a picture of Batman at a comic-con which seriously made my day.
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Waterhaul posted:Yes. Wasn't it guessed instead of leaked? Mainly because of that Deadpool issue? Deadpool get's kicked in the face by Daredevil and has an internal monologue box of "Why does this feel familiar?" and someone compared it a panel 2 issues earlier with Ironfist kicking him in the exact same pose?
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"Xenogenesis" is full of terrible art of all the characters, it's just that Emma was consistently awful throughout. If it was an "experiment", it was a catastrophic failure and I have no idea why Kaare Andrews thought that what he was doing was a good idea. I knew I was in for something special when this showed up on page 12 of the first issue. 
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I think it's fairly clear he was experimenting or attempting to match his art with the tone of the story. His art can wildly vary from project to project and drawing Emma like that was a stylistic choice. And everyone draws bad faces from time to time.
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I can only assume that the folks defending Andrews have not actually read "Xenogenesis", because holy crap does every human being in it look awful. Some of them just look worse than others. He may have done okay work elsewhere but this is indefensible stuff.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Wasn't it guessed instead of leaked? Mainly because of that Deadpool issue? Deadpool get's kicked in the face by Daredevil and has an internal monologue box of "Why does this feel familiar?" and someone compared it a panel 2 issues earlier with Ironfist kicking him in the exact same pose? I don't remember the Deadpool stuff but it was revealed as Marvel hosed up the "directors cut" issue of Civil War #1. They included the script for the issue in the book which had Daredevils identity in it but with a black bar through it. Marvel stupidly left the original type under the black bar so it was easily seen by just holding the page up to the light. They tried to double back by saying that there was various different names under the black bar but nobody ever found a physical copy and they revealed they were full of poo poo once the actual Daredevil reveal issue came out. Heresiarch posted:I can only assume that the folks defending Andrews have not actually read "Xenogenesis", because holy crap does every human being in it look awful. Some of them just look worse than others. I have. It's great, I've posted samples from it in this thread before of how great the book looks. Andrews is one of the best artists working today.
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bobkatt013 posted:Not the worst Emma Frost I'd rather see someone lightboxing porn than drawings of overlapping/levitating breasts and faces that indicate the mutant gene is caused by multiple generations of incest between immediate family members.
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bobkatt013 posted:Not the worst Emma Frost Letting Igor Kordey draw New X-Men is not the best decision Marvel has ever made: 
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Alhazred posted:Letting Igor Kordey draw New X-Men is not the best decision Marvel has ever made: It was bad but wasn't he given like a week to draw an issue?
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bobkatt013 posted:It was bad but wasn't he given like a week to draw an issue? Yes. Again like a lot of stuff in the thread Igor Kordey is a good artist and his New X-Men issues are nowhere near a correct representation of his work. He was doing multiple books at the same time and was just the fill in artist for Quitely literally churning out entire issues in a week. I would take a good artist rushing or having an off day over traced porn, even if that Emma image is the result.
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bobkatt013 posted:It was bad but wasn't he given like a week to draw an issue? Rhyno apparently had some insight in Ethan van Scivers work ethic, and presumably he hosed off somewhere instead of finishing his issues. There are some pages by van Sciver from the issues Kordej ultimately drew in the collections. Me, I think you're worse off giving a monthly, bimonthly, heck even quarterly, book to Ethan van Sciver and Frank Quitely than Igor Kordej. EDIT: beaten. But yeah, compare the sketches in the trades to the finished product. It's not all on Kordej. Or is it Sputnik fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Or is it Sputnik posted:Pretty much, yeah. The reason they went to Igor Kordej is because he can draw really fast if he has to (and really well if he's not rushed, GIS it). Oh I know. His Cable work is amazing. 
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bobkatt013 posted:Not the worst Emma Frost This is actually really good, in my opinion. He managed to make someone in that ridiculous loving costume look menacing.
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Humboldt squid posted:This is actually really good, in my opinion. He managed to make someone in that ridiculous loving costume look menacing. The context was that she is was not suppose to be menacing. In it Cyclops was bitching about how his marriage is failing and that he thinks it is all over, and then shows Emma is going to help him. On another note is it just me but is John Romita Sr hundred times better then his son? It just seems that he does everything better then his son. The way the characters look, the act, and even the panel layout.
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bobkatt013 posted:On another note is it just me but is John Romita Sr hundred times better then his son? It just seems that he does everything better then his son. The way the characters look, the act, and even the panel layout. I don't think you'll find JRjr disagreeing that his father is the better artist, but when they work at similar speeds there's very little in it. Take a look at this collaboration:  It's obvious who drew what, but the whole is not jarring.
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bobkatt013 posted:The context was that she is was not suppose to be menacing. In it Cyclops was bitching about how his marriage is failing and that he thinks it is all over, and then shows Emma is going to help him.
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Waterhaul posted:
uhh yeah, great... (I literally reflexively dropped the thing in horror when I picked up a copy to look at) I'm not going to say the artist is wretched, but I certainly wouldn't call the art there "great." I literally cannot look at those images of Emma without cringing away from the screen. There are twenty different flavors of Escher Girls in every single pose Emma does in that book. I can't read the words because my eyes revolt from the art. "Experimenting with style" means you can indeed fail sometimes. I'd call that one a failure, judging by all the people screaming in horror.
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Edge & Christian posted:Yes, and her method of "helping" the marriage is to psychically seduce Cyclops and trick him into having sex. Eventually they develop into a vaguely functional and healthy couple, but at the time she was absolutely meant to seem menacing/creepy. Was she also meant to seem vaguely human shaped? Because if so Kordey failed.
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Alhazred posted:Was she also meant to seem vaguely human shaped? Because if so Kordey failed. Hyperbole much?
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People get sick of whipping Liefield, they're always eager for the next shameful mainstream artist to poo poo on, and people who don't know any better think that Kordey 100% fits the bill. I agree that the image of Emma is pretty ghastly, but it's not the worst. \/ \/ \/ \/ What part of "Kordey was forced to draw these in the span of week" don't people get? Yes it's poo poo-looking in many real ways but for gently caress's sake when context is taken into account the man performed minor miracles. It's all about perspective dudes. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jul 29, 2012 |
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Edge & Christian posted:Yes, and her method of "helping" the marriage is to psychically seduce Cyclops and trick him into having sex. Eventually they develop into a vaguely functional and healthy couple, but at the time she was absolutely meant to seem menacing/creepy. The intent behind the image and scenario is correct, but I can't help but zero in on her forehead and hair as "wrong."
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mind the walrus posted:\/ \/ \/ \/ What part of "Kordey was forced to draw these in the span of week" don't people get? Yes it's poo poo-looking in many real ways but for gently caress's sake when context is taken into account the man performed minor miracles. It's all about perspective dudes. I don't think anyone would be forcing the issue if several posters hadn't popped up to try to say it doesn't count as bad because they like the artist. "He had to rush it" is fine, "you're wrong for saying it's bad because you don't GET IT" is stupid.
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Lurdiak posted:I don't think anyone would be forcing the issue if several posters hadn't popped up to try to say it doesn't count as bad because they like the artist. "He had to rush it" is fine, "you're wrong for saying it's bad because you don't GET IT" is stupid. I think everyone will agree it's bad, but saying "Was she also meant to seem vaguely human shaped? Because if so Kordey failed." is completely inaccurate. She is human shaped, an ugly human, but human shaped nonetheless.
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mind the walrus posted:\/ \/ \/ \/ What part of "Kordey was forced to draw these in the span of week" don't people get? Yes it's poo poo-looking in many real ways but for gently caress's sake when context is taken into account the man performed minor miracles. It's all about perspective dudes. Hey, I get the whole context, I was just mentioning that the problems in the portrait weren't entirely for the "Emma as menacing" imperative. It's just a minor thing really, I'm not making GBS threads on Kordey or anyone else here. FWIW I'm blown away by how much work he managed to finish in such a short amount of time as well.
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Kordey's work on Cable, Soldier X and Smoke is gorgeous. His Marvel contract was pretty bad, they had him by the balls so he was forced to churn out poo poo in half his normal time.
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It'd be an absolutely perfect panel in a horror story, the only problem is that it's so mismatched with  Scott and Emma's blossoming love. Its hilarious and I love it, editorial oversight, rushed production times, poor artists notes or whatever is responsible.
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It's pretty infamous, no matter how you slice it. I know I'll never forget thumbing through the TPB of New X-Men in Barnes and Noble as a stupid 13 year-old trying to see if they had any good pin-up pages of the new X-skank in white, only to find that starting at me as the only full-page shot of Emma.
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Rhyno posted:Kordey's work on Cable, Soldier X and Smoke is gorgeous. His Marvel contract was pretty bad, they had him by the balls so he was forced to churn out poo poo in half his normal time. Marvel's contract with artists is something akin to "we'll pay you this much, you draw whatever we say, regardless of whether it's actually humanly possible." That was why Marco Djerdviac, I'm butchering that name I'm sure, went off on Marvel during a panel.
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Jedit posted:I don't think you'll find JRjr disagreeing that his father is the better artist, but when they work at similar speeds there's very little in it. Take a look at this collaboration: Romita Sr has always done better people but I find Jr better for almost everything else.
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E the Shaggy posted:Marvel's contract with artists is something akin to "we'll pay you this much, you draw whatever we say, regardless of whether it's actually humanly possible." That was why Marco Djerdviac, I'm butchering that name I'm sure, went off on Marvel during a panel. How much was "this much?" Was it worth the meat grinder sked?
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TwoPair posted:FF #20: Artist Nick Dragotta draws the funniest face I've ever seen on Black Bolt. The first look at FF#21 is out and he outdid that face 3 pages in. He's just having fun with BB.  Without dialogue, I'm guessing he's unleashing a massive fart to break whatever they're encasing him in. Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jul 30, 2012 |
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