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Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

az posted:

Have you talked about the implications of Russias missile test from thursday yet?

There really aren't any, at least nothing new. Unlike the rest of the cold war powers, Russia never stopped development of new and improved ballistic missiles for their nuclear forces. They've tested and deployed a number of missiles designed specifically to penetrate defenses over the past 2 decades and this is simply a continuation of the program along the same path.

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Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

The Talbiseh comedy channel has put out a couple of new videos for Eid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gN2J1ZNzUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RI_99qJqeM

az
Dec 2, 2005

Warbadger posted:

There really aren't any, at least nothing new. Unlike the rest of the cold war powers, Russia never stopped development of new and improved ballistic missiles for their nuclear forces. They've tested and deployed a number of missiles designed specifically to penetrate defenses over the past 2 decades and this is simply a continuation of the program along the same path.

Of course they have but I've heard chatter that this new test was done wrt/ the syrian civil war and Nato involvement in the middle east and it made me curious if there was any more to this.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

az posted:

Of course they have but I've heard chatter that this new test was done wrt/ the syrian civil war and Nato involvement in the middle east and it made me curious if there was any more to this.

Well, they launched several similar missiles in tests back in May/June including one that lit up the night sky in Syria so I really don't see how this one has any special significance.

Warbadger fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 30, 2012

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Warbadger posted:

There really aren't any, at least nothing new. Unlike the rest of the cold war powers, Russia never stopped development of new and improved ballistic missiles for their nuclear forces. They've tested and deployed a number of missiles designed specifically to penetrate defenses over the past 2 decades and this is simply a continuation of the program along the same path.

Not surprising. Their conventional forces collapsed throughout the Yeltsin years and have never fully recovered. Credible nuclear deterrent is their fallback.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Brown Moses posted:

This video gives a good example of the size of an area that can be effected by cluster bombs, you see both plenty of unexploded bomblets, plus the holes left by the ones that did explode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPO9ifYLZeE

Here we see a big bunch of children posing with what's hopefully an empty cluster bomb casing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycquKWstt0Q

This actually makes it look like there are more defective bomblets than functional ones. Is that normal / misleading / indicative of how underequipped Syria is?

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

steinrokkan posted:

This actually makes it look like there are more defective bomblets than functional ones. Is that normal / misleading / indicative of how underequipped Syria is?
It's indicative of the sort of armaments Syria has. They're likely dropping stuff that was not high quality 40+ years ago and bounced around damp warehouses in the former Communist Bloc for 30 years before it was sold on the cheap to Assad.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Zeroisanumber posted:

Not surprising. Their conventional forces collapsed throughout the Yeltsin years and have never fully recovered. Credible nuclear deterrent is their fallback.

I'd argue it's less that and more to do with the nature of the Russian military industrial complex, similar to them being the only country on the planet with a continuous ICBM missile shield program dating all the way back to the 50s.

Warbadger fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Oct 30, 2012

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Warbadger posted:

I'd argue it's less that and more to do with the nature of the Russian military industrial complex, similar to them being the only country on the planet with a continuous ICBM missile shield program dating all the way back to the 50s.

Is their missile defense system as much of a crock as ours?

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Grand Prize Winner posted:

Is their missile defense system as much of a crock as ours?
No, theirs is the same brute force approach the US used for the short-lived Safeguard Sprint/Spartan nuclear defense system. Locate the incoming missile and then launch a neutron bomb at it.

It would probably work, but it's kind of messy.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Not really. Airbursts don't have much fallout.

az jan jananam
Sep 6, 2011
HI, I'M HARDCORE SAX HERE TO DROP A NICE JUICY TURD OF A POST FROM UP ON HIGH
A pro-Assad facebook page confirming that advanced technologies developed by Iran and the Assad regime were responsible for Hurricane Sandy. You have dug your own grave, America



They put out a followup post to this article affirming that Hurricane Sandy is a brutal defeat at the hands of Iran and Syria :)

az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Oct 31, 2012

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

az jan jananam posted:

A pro-Assad facebook page confirming that advanced technologies developed by Iran and the Assad regime were responsible for Hurricane Sandy. You have dug your own grave, America



They put out a followup post to this article affirming that Hurricane Sandy is a brutal defeat at the hands of Iran and Syria :)

Sorcery's a hell of a thing.

cafel
Mar 29, 2010

This post is hurting the economy!
Alright, I at least understand were they're coming from when they accuse the US of controlling the weather, or that Israeli intelligence is unleashing sharks on Egypts coast or sending in buzzard spies, but this is weird even for conspiracy theorists. When the other is the all consuming, all powerful conspiracy you can explain away any logical inconsistencies as part of the cover up. But if you're part of the group which has nigh mythical powers then how do you explain why your theory doesn't match reality?

ToiletPost
Jun 10, 2008
Apparently Avigdor Lieberman has written a short entry in Haaretz hebrew
to bash Amir Oren for being racists, and that's after this giant beaver has used the slogan "Only Lieberman understand Arabic".

Usually he just doesn't give a crap about what people say, so my assumption is that if he went as far as writing in Haaretz, he has to be in deep poo poo with the elections.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
http://www.arabist.net/blog/2012/10/31/chomsky-on-the-western-sahara-and-the-arab-spring.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Pretty much agree with everything here. Not sure why anyone would point to the Western Sahara as the beginning. It's never really seemed to be that notable in Arab consciousness to me.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...6978_story.html

quote:

First, on the question of whether Woods and others were made to wait when they asked permission to move out immediately to try to rescue those at the consulate. The answer seems to be yes, but not for very long. There was a brief, initial delay — two people said it was about 20 minutes — before Woods was allowed to leave. One official said Woods and at least one other CIA colleague were “in the car revving the engine,” waiting for permission to go. Woods died about six hours later, after he returned to the annex.

http://www.merip.org/mero/mero103012

Interesting article on Shias in Lebanon.

Lascivious Sloth
Apr 26, 2008

by sebmojo

Xandu posted:

http://www.arabist.net/blog/2012/10/31/chomsky-on-the-western-sahara-and-the-arab-spring.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Pretty much agree with everything here. Not sure why anyone would point to the Western Sahara as the beginning. It's never really seemed to be that notable in Arab consciousness to me.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...6978_story.html


http://www.merip.org/mero/mero103012

Interesting article on Shias in Lebanon.

Thanks those were great. Here is a fun, yet in the end sadly tragic but hopeful, little documentary on 'Top Goons', a doco on some Syrian natives in Lebanon satirizing the Assad regime through puppets and their struggles (.. and then what their art turns into as rage drives them): http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2012/08/2012820111648774405.html

They also mention "we are goons" :3: although I don't think they mean what we would interpret that as

I want to stress that this is an excellent documentary on the growth of pacifism to militarism in those with, in the beginning, liberal attitudes towards resisting the regime through statement and art and their eventual decline into the realities of what the regime is capable of and would do in the face of pacifist resistance.

Essentially they sum up what would happen in the event of total pacifist resistance against a regime's oppression -- total and indiscriminate massacre to hold on to power.

One of the most lasting comments of wisdom in the end of the piece is essentially 'when fighting a monster, it is most important not to become the monster.'

Lascivious Sloth fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Oct 31, 2012

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
I'm glad they managed to continue even though their kickstarter failed.

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203630604578074983334946140.html

I don't know who wrote it, but this is a terrible piece on Yemen that tries to connect Iran to the embassy attack. I've heard from people I trust that Houthis were involved, not sure how accurate that is, but the evidence that they are directly supported by Iran is limited at best and a lot of Houthi popularity has more to do with domestic politics than anything else. The claim of an Iran, al-Qaeda, Houthi, Southern Movement axis to destabilize Yemen is nonsense.

Laopooh
Jul 15, 2000

Does anyone know of a good way to donate for medical relief in Syria? There are a bunch of charities I found but I don't know which will put money to the best use.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
Inside Syria? Most of those soliciting money are helping refugees. MSF snuck into Syria early this year, but I'm not sure if they're still operating.

edit: I guess they are http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/article.cfm?id=6324&cat=voice-from-the-field

Laopooh
Jul 15, 2000

Xandu posted:

Inside Syria? Most of those soliciting money are helping refugees. MSF snuck into Syria early this year, but I'm not sure if they're still operating.

edit: I guess they are http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/article.cfm?id=6324&cat=voice-from-the-field

I saw that but didn't see a way to request my money be spent in Syria. I also don't know if this is a selfish or weird request that I shouldn't have to ask...

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.

Laopooh posted:

I saw that but didn't see a way to request my money be spent in Syria. I also don't know if this is a selfish or weird request that I shouldn't have to ask...

They don't accept conditions on donations. I will say this, they do good work in a lot of dangerous zones around the world many charities refuse to operate in.

Armyman25
Sep 6, 2005
Not sure if this is the thread to ask in, but does anyone have a link that covers what happened at Benghazi? Not the political aftermath, but the actual events on September 11?

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

Armyman25 posted:

Not sure if this is the thread to ask in, but does anyone have a link that covers what happened at Benghazi? Not the political aftermath, but the actual events on September 11?

The Atlantic had one but I can't for the life of me find it.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
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Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

Armyman25 posted:

Not sure if this is the thread to ask in, but does anyone have a link that covers what happened at Benghazi? Not the political aftermath, but the actual events on September 11?

Surprisingly, Fox News had a pretty good minute-by-minute explanation of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM96sUZosaU

Yes, it veers off in the final third of the program into being, well, Fox News, but the first portion where they're analyzing the attack itself seemed kosher. And pay no mind to the title the uploader gave it, they have even more of an agenda here than FNC.

Golbez fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Oct 31, 2012

mitztronic
Jun 17, 2005

mixcloud.com/mitztronic

Armyman25 posted:

Not sure if this is the thread to ask in, but does anyone have a link that covers what happened at Benghazi? Not the political aftermath, but the actual events on September 11?

Here you go: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Here's a rare video of a cluster bomb being dropped and deploying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8myB9-YD7o

Armyman25
Sep 6, 2005

Thanks!

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

Brown Moses posted:

Here's a rare video of a cluster bomb being dropped and deploying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8myB9-YD7o

Wow, is the official government line still that they are not using these?

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Bombadilillo posted:

Wow, is the official government line still that they are not using these?

When it was brought up at the UN General Assembly during a discussion of arms treaties they totally ignored the subject, so their position is standing with their hands on their ears going "lalalalala".

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Brown Moses posted:

Here's a rare video of a cluster bomb being dropped and deploying


I got really scared for that guy and his friend(s); looking up at a cluster bomb at the steep of an angle must be terrifying.

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Brown Moses posted:

Here's a rare video of a cluster bomb being dropped and deploying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8myB9-YD7o

Let it also be noted that it fell off a Hind, which is a dedicated gunship.

Videos from earlier showed Mi-8 or Mi-17 Hips, which are transports.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Two more interesting videos showing the opposition using proper artillery, don't think I've seen that before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3qlJJ9nqRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLoKjfukIsU

Cozy Hemp Mines
May 16, 2009

by Fistgrrl

Brown Moses posted:

Here's a rare video of a cluster bomb being dropped and deploying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8myB9-YD7o

Neat, Warcrimesinaction.avi is almost certainly going to be the hot-topic news story post election.

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010

Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Cozy Hemp Mines posted:

Neat, Warcrimesinaction.avi is almost certainly going to be the hot-topic news story post election.
Nothing would be more surprising.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

I've put together a post on the Syrian Franken-bomb, seeing it's Halloween.

EA Worldview has more on the 130mm artillery I posted about, seems like it's potentially a pretty big deal.

Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Oct 31, 2012

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
I'm seeing a lot of conspiracy theories online about the explosion in Riyadh this morning, ostensibly caused by a fuel truck explosion.

I don't see a reason so far to doubt the official story, though.

Lascivious Sloth
Apr 26, 2008

by sebmojo
Hah, my first reaction to that and seeing the pictures was "drat I bet those on the ground must have had a real fear it was a terrorist attack."

In other news, China promotes a 4 point plan that calls for a region by region ceasefire and calls for an interim transitional council from all sides.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Probably been posted here before, but this popped up on my feed today. It's a short video made before the civil war in Syria kicked off that is a nice contrast to the awful things that get posted here. It's called Syria: The other side.

https://vimeo.com/26598137

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The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
The Libyan Congress approved the new government, which is great, but that was all they could do before protesters forced them to leave early.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...-libya-congress

Edit: Also, a Salafi imam got himself killed by attacking a national guard post in Tunisia.
http://m.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2012/Nov-01/193528-tunisia-imam-dies-of-wounds-after-attack-on-police.ashx

The X-man cometh fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Nov 1, 2012

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