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I think the problem is their lack of consistency with them. They need to use them far more often. I still have no clue who the divas even are.
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Jan 13, 2013 22:42
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Himuro posted:I think the problem is their lack of consistency with them. They need to use them far more often. I still have no clue who the divas even are. Divas can be listed off like the 7 Dwarfs. Crazy, Gassy, Furry, Bossy, Funny, "Sexy" & Eve.
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Jan 13, 2013 22:52
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Re: intergender matches, there was a really good tag last year with Kana and Ikeda that's worth checking out. Hideously violent, though, and it's actually Ikeda who gets the worst of it.
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Jan 13, 2013 23:23
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Supreme Allah posted:Didn't Sandow and Del Rio get vignettes? Del Rio did for sure, I remember those.
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Jan 14, 2013 04:28
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Halloween Jack posted:So any move can be a finisher if you botch badly enough? Ask Jake Roberts.
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Jan 14, 2013 04:59
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Halloween Jack posted:So any move can be a finisher if you botch badly enough? There is the famous Ganso Bomb, admittedly... and apparently the piledriver was also a botched powerbomb?
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Jan 14, 2013 06:21
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Also, the backdrop used as a finish in Japan goes all the way back to Thesz beating Rikidozan with the move.
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Jan 14, 2013 06:24
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Has Kevin Steen ever faced CM Punk?
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Jan 14, 2013 06:47
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Chortles posted:There is the famous Ganso Bomb, admittedly... and apparently the piledriver was also a botched powerbomb? Kawada broke his arm in the match and couldn't get Misawa up for the Powerbomb. edit: oh you mean the original piledriver bobkatt013 posted:Has Kevin Steen ever faced CM Punk? Nope. HulkaMatt fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Jan 14, 2013 |
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Jan 14, 2013 07:13
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People talk a lot about being a "Paul Heyman Guy," even if said guy didn't get started in ECW, but just had the best brought out in them by Heyman. Would this make Big Show a Paul Heyman Guy? I don't think anyone else in the industry's booked the guy right except Heyman.
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Jan 15, 2013 03:02
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I don't know, but it would make New Jack a state penitentiary guy.
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Jan 15, 2013 03:37
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Chortles posted:That's not the only reason... KO'ing Inoki did it for Hogan, but as far as puro goes, (on top of that) Stan Hansen's Western Lariat is the reason for LARIATOOOOOO~ Other way around. Lou Thesz botched a piledriver to create the powerbomb.
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Jan 15, 2013 03:46
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Devil Child posted:People talk a lot about being a "Paul Heyman Guy," even if said guy didn't get started in ECW, but just had the best brought out in them by Heyman. WWE.com did a thing about Show being a Heyman guy, and when Paul was on the writing team, you could certainly see that. Plus, he did manage him.
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Jan 15, 2013 03:47
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Thanks, it's cool hearing that. I've always been amazed at Paul Heyman's ability to book giants properly and get them over with even the hardcore mutants.
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Jan 15, 2013 03:57
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Did Shane Douglas actually work at a Target?
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Aerial Tollhouse posted:Other way around. Lou Thesz botched a piledriver to create the powerbomb.  How do you accidentally deadlift somebody too far?
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The guy taking it could have pushed off a bit hard, no?
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Devil Child posted:Thanks, it's cool hearing that. Heyman is known for his ability to book a wide variety of talent well according to their abilities. Too bad Stephanie isn't or they'd still be working together. I'm really hoping that Heymans TV job transitions into a head booking job now that Stephanie is older with children and Triple Huh is off screen.
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maniacripper posted:and Triple Huh is off screen. Not for long, since he'll be getting his win back from Brockle Snar at WrestleMania.
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achillesforever6 posted:Did Shane Douglas actually work at a Target? Yes
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What are some good matches/wrestlers/feuds for someone who wants to get into Joshi? I've been getting into Shimmer as of late, and want to expand my horizons with women's wrestling. I'm not a huge fan of strong style, but it's not a deal breaker if theres a strong style match I need to watch.
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achillesforever6 posted:Did Shane Douglas actually work at a Target? He did, but I bet he was totally that manager that took 5 30 minute breaks plus a lunch.
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NienNunb posted:What are some good matches/wrestlers/feuds for someone who wants to get into Joshi? I've been getting into Shimmer as of late, and want to expand my horizons with women's wrestling. I'm not a huge fan of strong style, but it's not a deal breaker if theres a strong style match I need to watch. Dump Mastumoto, Bull Nakano, Akira Hokuto and Combat Toyoda are recognized to be the classics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwhfp98GcfM Just watch this god-drat match.
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Glamorama26 posted:He did, but I bet he was totally that manager that took 5 30 minute breaks plus a lunch. Sadly he never completed his manager training.
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HulkaMatt posted:Kawada broke his arm in the match and couldn't get Misawa up for the Powerbomb. Has there been anything from anyone saying that that was actually a botch? The Kawada powerbomb-Misawa avoidance thing was a running theme through their matches, Misawa started getting out through ranas, Kawada picks him up for that one, knows the rana is coming, leans back so there's no momentum from trying for the powerbomb, then spikes him straight down, falling to his knees, in the middle of the ring. No attempt to swing him to the side, nothing even trying to avoid going straight down. You couldn't plan that spot any better, and Kawada now has a DANGEROUS move to go with Burning Hammer/Tiger Driver '91.
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I don't know how to get into Japanese wrestling. From reading about it, I think I would prefer strong style by a factor of 10.
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't know how to get into Japanese wrestling. From reading about it, I think I would prefer strong style by a factor of 10. All you need to know is Shinsuke Nakamura is both the most charismatic man in all of wrestling, and is King of Strong Style. 
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Deathlove posted:Has there been anything from anyone saying that that was actually a botch? The Kawada powerbomb-Misawa avoidance thing was a running theme through their matches, Misawa started getting out through ranas, Kawada picks him up for that one, knows the rana is coming, leans back so there's no momentum from trying for the powerbomb, then spikes him straight down, falling to his knees, in the middle of the ring. No attempt to swing him to the side, nothing even trying to avoid going straight down. You couldn't plan that spot any better, and Kawada now has a DANGEROUS move to go with Burning Hammer/Tiger Driver '91. Kawada is the best.
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Deathlove posted:You couldn't plan that spot any better, and Kawada now has a DANGEROUS move to go with Burning Hammer/Tiger Driver '91. He never finished a match with it, though.
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Deathlove posted:Has there been anything from anyone saying that that was actually a botch? His arm was broken. Vacated the title almost immediately and was out for months. Story told has always been he couldn't get Misawa up.
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't know how to get into Japanese wrestling. From reading about it, I think I would prefer strong style by a factor of 10. go to the New Japan Pro Wrestling thread to get a primer on some of the big names, then watch Wrestle Kingdom 7 from a couple weeks ago in fact if you look for it there was a Wrestle Kingdom 7 thread where SNARF SNARF SNARF wrote a brief recap of all the storylines going into it, but New Japan storylines are usually as simple as "this guy wants to beat this guy" so it's not hard to follow
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Girlfriend has just sprung that she would love to go to Wrestlemania this year. We are in the UK. Anyone got any major dos/don'ts? I know the tickets will have to come through a reseller rather than a package, but am not sure what else I need to take into consideration.
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Let's say Hulk Hogan decided not to leave the AWA and then had a career ending injury, would the Rock N Wrestling boom of the 80s happened? Who would have been the guy Vince got behind?
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Gooses and Geeses posted:Girlfriend has just sprung that she would love to go to Wrestlemania this year. We are in the UK. Anyone got any major dos/don'ts? I know the tickets will have to come through a reseller rather than a package, but am not sure what else I need to take into consideration. Overseas flights on short notice being really, really expensive?
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Gooses and Geeses posted:Girlfriend has just sprung that she would love to go to Wrestlemania this year. We are in the UK. Anyone got any major dos/don'ts? I know the tickets will have to come through a reseller rather than a package, but am not sure what else I need to take into consideration. Having recently flown from Australia to visit the States, my wife and I attended the TLC PPV. I'd recommend not skimping on the tickets and get whatever is the best available against your budget. Watching wrestling live, I think it really helps to be as close to the ring as possible. We were in the nosebleeds at the Barclay Center and while I enjoyed the show, it really was only about $50 per ticket more to get seats that were significantly closer to the ring which would've been worth it. Otherwise you should know that in America they don't have urinal troughs in the toilet. They're always separated into individual urinals so sometimes there can be a line for the mens room which seems a bit inefficient to me.
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budreck posted:Let's say Hulk Hogan decided not to leave the AWA and then had a career ending injury, would the Rock N Wrestling boom of the 80s happened? Who would have been the guy Vince got behind? I think it would have a little later and the star would have been Randy Savage. But it would have been shorter and fizzled much faster. That's my fantasy booking of the 80s anyway.
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Gooses and Geeses posted:Girlfriend has just sprung that she would love to go to Wrestlemania this year. We are in the UK. Anyone got any major dos/don'ts? I know the tickets will have to come through a reseller rather than a package, but am not sure what else I need to take into consideration. Do buy me a ticket and Do take me with you. Other than that plan everything in advance. This'll be a damned expensive trip, even if it's just a weekend.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:I think it would have a little later and the star would have been Randy Savage. But it would have been shorter and fizzled much faster. That's my fantasy booking of the 80s anyway. Do you think somebody like Savage being the main guy would have lead to earlier pushes for the likes of Bret Hart and (later) Shawn Michaels? Or was Vince's obsession with bodybuilders always going to see the massive, over-muscled types override all? Also this made me look up Bruno's height and he's "only" 5'10"? Wow, I never would have thought that.
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NienNunb posted:What are some good matches/wrestlers/feuds for someone who wants to get into Joshi? I've been getting into Shimmer as of late, and want to expand my horizons with women's wrestling. I'm not a huge fan of strong style, but it's not a deal breaker if theres a strong style match I need to watch. Probably the easiest match to watch as a first time thing is Manami Toyota vs. Aja Kong from the Dome show in '94. Not overly long, fast start and really flashy showcasing two of the best of all time in a really, really good match. Toyota in general is really good and you should probably check out her matches against Kyoko Inoue on 5/18/92 and 5/7/95, her hair vs. hair match against Toshiyo Yamada (fwiw Meltzer's said recently that's the best match he's ever seen live) as well as any of the three tags with Yamada against Mayumi Ozaki and Dynamite Kansai. LCO are probably my all-time favorite tag team and if you like wild, violent, bloody brawls you'll love them. Just about any match from like their '97 reunion through 1999 that features some combination of "Etsuko Mita/Mima Shimoda vs. Tomoko Watanabe/_______" is great. The '97 cage match against Watanabe and Kaoru Ito, the various 2/3 falls matches against Watanbe and Kumiko Maekawa, a really awesome cage match (4/8/00 I think is the date?) against Watanabe and Maekawa, and another awesome six-person cage match Maekawa (after she turned heel on Watanabe) against Ito, Nanae Takahashi, and Momoe Nakanishi. The '99 match for the ARSION tag titles against Ayako Hamada and AKINO is really, really great too. And there's the 1/24/93 match with Akira Hokuto (LCO started off as a trio of Hokuto, Mita, and Shimoda) against Harley Saito, Eagle Sawai, and Miki Handa that sets up the Hokuto/Kandori match from Dream Slam I (another awesome match). '80s AJW is amazing as well. The Crush Gals (Chigusa Nagayo and Lioness Asuka) were basically the top dogs at the time and you can get a bunch of great matches both in tags and singles (and against each other) from them. There's a couple of Jumping Bomb Angels tags that are really, really great (I love the 2/3 falls match 1986), an awesome tag against Jaguar Yokota and Devil Masami from 1984, Chigusa vs. Devil and Asuka vs. Jaguar both from the same show (which also has a great JBA vs. Dump Matsumoto/Bull Nakano match), the Chigusa vs. Dump hair vs. hair match from '85. There's also the trio of matches between Jaguar Yokota and La Galactica/Pantera Surena, a pretty good Yumi Ogura vs. Kazue Nagahori match, any Ogura vs. Bull match. Really easy thing: a couple of youtube accounts that have lots of matches. Just sort of watch whatever. http://www.youtube.com/user/doublemiz http://www.youtube.com/user/nagashimark http://www.youtube.com/user/rexmoro37 (Italian dude with mostly late '70s/early '80s AJW) http://www.youtube.com/user/ringstarfield http://www.youtube.com/user/sugisho780 (mostly late '90s/2000 era AJW) http://www.youtube.com/user/xkingx2009 http://www.youtube.com/user/purowookie (if you feel like watching random STARDOM which is one of the newest promotions and probably the biggest)
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