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The Prisoner posted:What ESPN ought to be doing is hiring people who are legitimately entertaining and likable to helm Sportscenter, as their subsidiary north of the border seems to have done. Many of my Canadian friends watch TSN's Sportscentre for Jay Onrait and Dan O'Toole antics as much as they do for the news and highlights. The distinction here is that Onrait and O'Toole are light-hearted and enjoyable guys who don't take themselves or their roles too seriously - which may or may not be inherent to TSN's less dominant position over Canadian sports media versus ESPN's over the US' combined with the fact their timeslot is later at night. Well that used to be the Formula that ESPN did go with in the 90's. Guys like Patrick, Olbermann (pre-msnbc), Eisen, Steiner seemed to have a great balance of that. They could make jokes, while retaining some sort of sense of professionalism. I've taken to watching Sky Sports News on Fox Soccer lately on nights when I can't sleep. I have no clue about Premier League Soccer or UEFA in general, but it's a rather good watch. NBCSN is rather good too. The 'Lights isn't bad, and the Dan Patrick show is pretty fun to watch as well. Also good news for motorsports fans! They're launching a show devoted to motorsports called "The Grid" this thursday at 9:30 pm EST. FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Mar 3, 2013 |
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MourningView posted:I for the life of me cannot understand why anyone would watch ESPN outside of games, but like half the forum appears to watch it all day long. If you want highlights just flip on ESPNews, it's generally a better product anyway. Until last year I didn't have a DVR or streaming Netflix/Hulu/etc, so when I watched tv and was in between Netflix deliveries, it was having to choose between soap operas or ESPN. Working evenings sucks balls.
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Mar 3, 2013 09:45
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A portion of my job involves a lot downtime in a place with a lot of websites blocked so it's pretty much read whatever is on Yahoo Sports then on to ESPN.
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The Prisoner posted:What ESPN ought to be doing is hiring people who are legitimately entertaining and likable to helm Sportscenter, as their subsidiary north of the border seems to have done. Many of my Canadian friends watch TSN's Sportscentre for Jay Onrait and Dan O'Toole antics as much as they do for the news and highlights. The distinction here is that Onrait and O'Toole are light-hearted and enjoyable guys who don't take themselves or their roles too seriously - which may or may not be inherent to TSN's less dominant position over Canadian sports media versus ESPN's over the US' combined with the fact their timeslot is later at night. In the ESPN oral history book that came out a couple years ago they go into why this isn't the case on ESPN anymore. The brass, at a certain point, got wary about creating personalities rather than news anchors, and the Eisens/Scotts/Olbermanns of the network were growing big enough as "names" that they could demand superstar-level salaries.
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BackInTheUSSR posted:In the ESPN oral history book that came out a couple years ago they go into why this isn't the case on ESPN anymore. The brass, at a certain point, got wary about creating personalities rather than news anchors, and the Eisens/Scotts/Olbermanns of the network were growing big enough as "names" that they could demand superstar-level salaries. Yeah honestly how in the hell could ESPN afford to pay high salaries?! Oh wait...
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Noted moron fuckhead Tony Massaroti is leaving the Globe. Don't let the door hit your rear end on the way out. Your only upside was that in comparison to Dan Shaughnessey, you were a beacon of well-thought journalistic integrity. On the one hand, I've never felt the vitriol for him that I have for other Boston baseball writers for some dumb reason. On the other hand, I got into an argument with him on air about how his use of wins as a primary pitching stat was asinine and he more or less dismissed the argument, sooo
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Speaking of Olbermann, he actually wants to go back to ESPN: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/sports/keith-olbermann-expresses-interest-in-return-to-espn.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0 Why not, I mean he's burned bridges with pretty much everyone else. Plus 16 years seems long enough.
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Tim Thomas posted:On the one hand, I've never felt the vitriol for him that I have for other Boston baseball writers for some dumb reason. On the other hand, I got into an argument with him on air about how his use of wins as a primary pitching stat was asinine and he more or less dismissed the argument, sooo It's all about contrast, if he didn't work for a section composed mainly of complete idiots he'd seem worse.
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The Prisoner posted:What ESPN ought to be doing is hiring people who are legitimately entertaining and likable to helm Sportscenter, as their subsidiary north of the border seems to have done. Many of my Canadian friends watch TSN's Sportscentre for Jay Onrait and Dan O'Toole antics as much as they do for the news and highlights. The distinction here is that Onrait and O'Toole are light-hearted and enjoyable guys who don't take themselves or their roles too seriously - which may or may not be inherent to TSN's less dominant position over Canadian sports media versus ESPN's over the US' combined with the fact their timeslot is later at night. I know exactly what you mean. I watch Sportscentre for Jay and Dan (hell, I listen to their podcast) because they're a fun watch, even when Sportcentre does 20 minutes of hockey highlights I couldn't care less about. For the longest time, I just assumed ESPN was like this too and I was surprised when I watched an episode a year or two ago. That said, I'd argue TSN is pretty dominant in Canadian sports media. They have NFL and NCAA tournament rights, both the NBA and NHL playoffs and the bulk of ESPN's programming.
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Vertical Lime posted:Speaking of Olbermann, he actually wants to go back to ESPN: Keith Olbermann posted:I don't burn bridges; I burn rivers.
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Yeah, it will probably never happen. Then again, he did have a stint at MSNBC after leaving ESPN in the late 90's before his more well-remembered second tenure. Meanwhile, according to Stephen A. Smith, there are still ties in hockey: http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/march/stephen-a-smith-rants-on-ties-in-hockey-which-don-t-exist-anymore.html Not that I expected him to be anywhere close to a hockey expert, but c'mon.
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reuniting DP with Olberman for a nightly sports highlights show on NBCSN would be awesome. But I don't think that NBC is too keen on him. But that would be my dream scenario Vertical Lime posted:Yeah, it will probably never happen. Then again, he did have a stint at MSNBC after leaving ESPN in the late 90's before his more well-remembered second tenure. ESPN is going to continue to hitch their wagon to these type of idiots and it's going to lead them down a path of failure. Stephen A. Smith isn't qualified to discuss how to make a ham sandwich, let alone talk about hockey.
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Vertical Lime posted:Yeah, it will probably never happen. Then again, he did have a stint at MSNBC after leaving ESPN in the late 90's before his more well-remembered second tenure. C'mon ESPN, do you really need to argue which streak is "better"? Although at least it's not another round of WHO'S MORE NOW?
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To be fair, hockey fans, SAS knows that little about all sports.
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Groucho Marxist posted:To be fair, hockey fans, SAS knows that little about all sports. Didn't he write a column once about something that was days out of date? And it led to him leaving the Philadelphia paper for good?
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Groucho Marxist posted:To be fair, hockey fans, SAS knows that little about all sports. I guess if McNabb didn't know you could have a tie in the sport that was literally his job, I guess anything is possible.
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ElwoodCuse posted:Didn't he write a column once about something that was days out of date? And it led to him leaving the Philadelphia paper for good? He wrote a column before SBXXXIX about McNabb's triumph as the first black SB-starting QB since Doug Williams. He kinda forgot about Steve McNair in SBXXXIV.
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So today marks the announcement of the worst kept secret in sports media. Fox Sports One: http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/FOX-Sports-announces-FOX-Sports-1-network-030513 It certainly looks like it has a better chance of succeeding than NBC or CBS' sports networks. Except maybe for that late afternoon Regis show.
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Given Stephen A's history with The Onion, someone should tweet him their article about the Blackhawks' U-Haul overturning.
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Vertical Lime posted:So today marks the announcement of the worst kept secret in sports media. Fox Sports One: If anybody can slow down ESPN's march toward controlling the entire landscape, it can only be a good thing. Hopefully this means We could see Fox tweaking some of it's network and regional studios as well, because boy are they terrible.
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Really the only thing you have to say about Stephen A. and ESPN is that Miami's current win streak is the second longest in the NBA this season. What a network of clowns.
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Simplex posted:Really the only thing you have to say about Stephen A. and ESPN is that Miami's current win streak is the second longest in the NBA this season. What a network of clowns. This has to be on purpose, right? It's gotta be.
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Zorkon posted:This has to be on purpose, right? It's gotta be. OF Course it is. People who like sports love to argue. People who like sports love stats. Talking about the Heat/Danica Patrick/Brett Favre boosts ratings for ESPN. So find some stats and strip them of any and all context/create some new and completely misleading context, find some hacks to proclaim that this is something significant and important, and voila instant ratings.
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Mar 8, 2013 11:17
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The fact that we're talking about Stephen A Smith is evidence that ESPN has already won.
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Mar 8, 2013 19:40
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Richard Sherman. Skip Bayless. Showdown! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6x-O3kb1sI
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The day ESPN cancelled Stump the Schwab was the day they sealed their fate, frankly.
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The Prisoner posted:The day ESPN cancelled Stump the Schwab was the day they sealed their fate, frankly.
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Plus Simmons of all people doesn't approvequote:It's amazing to me that people get so worked up about First Take. Who cares? Just don't watch it. There are like 800 TV channels. I guess he can get away with it because he's Simmons. And too bad they can't afford to go back to showing obscure sports.
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All they care about is people talking about them. I know it's being portrayed as bad for ESPN, but I bet they are eating this up. They probably love Simmons tweeting about it. They love all the blogs ripping them apart. They threw any semblance of journalism out the window years ago and now it's just about doing and saying whatever they can to get eyeballs. The best way to respond to the crap is to just ignore it.
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Vertical Lime posted:Plus Simmons of all people doesn't approve
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Richard Sherman looked like a big stupid baby and somehow managed to made Skip look reasonable.
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Crazy Ted posted:All I've ever wanted them to do is start showing Australian Rules Football at weird hours of the day every week during the season again like they did when I was five. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Thunder  The other angle to this. Who the hell honestly likes any of these asshats? At least you could argue with opinionated political pundits like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Maddow, etc that they indeed have their supporters. Do people actually support Skip Bayless? Stephen A. Smith? Mark May? Colin Cowherd? I don't watch them, but I know of like 1 or 2 people who do watch "first take" for some ungodly reason.
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I like Stephen A. Smith, since at least part of his job description is "antagonize whitey"
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Thunder It saddens me greatly that you lumped Maddow in with O'Reilly and Limbaugh. Like, a lot.
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Ace Jameson posted:Richard Sherman looked like a big stupid baby and somehow managed to made Skip look reasonable. Still the best part was when Skips says "that's debatable" about him not being one of the 22 best sports media figures because even he knows he can't argue that. The reason Sherman looks terrible is because Skip Bayless is a cartoon, you can't argue with him and not look ridiculous. Or Chris Broussard. gently caress Chris Broussard.
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Jota posted:It saddens me greatly that you lumped Maddow in with O'Reilly and Limbaugh. Like, a lot.  by the time Air America sacked him. (And looking up--again, fact-based punditry!  his show is still on SiriusXM, so I guess he's relevant to the sub-discussion)
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Politicalrancor posted:Still the best part was when Skips says "that's debatable" about him not being one of the 22 best sports media figures because even he knows he can't argue that. The reason Sherman looks terrible is because Skip Bayless is a cartoon, you can't argue with him and not look ridiculous. Or Chris Broussard. gently caress Chris Broussard. Agreed on all counts, but "you suck at life" is straight out of 7th grade.
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Jota posted:It saddens me greatly that you lumped Maddow in with O'Reilly and Limbaugh. Like, a lot. Why? Same iconoclastic nonsense, just of a different political bent
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